101 loss season

1/11/2014 8:05:30 PM

Dude is a great recruiter, but he can't coach for shit. Amazing that we can be this bad at defense even with a couple of premiere shot-blockers and some great athletes on the wings.

1/11/2014 8:11:59 PM

If we want to be an elite program, we need an elite coach. He just isn't it. I just hope we can string together 2 consecutive wins in the ACC this year & hold onto TJ Warren. Achieve these 2 and this season can be considered as success.

That being said, we all will look back on the Gott era with great fondness. If our next coach isn't elite, we're stuck with mediocrity till 2025.

1/11/2014 8:24:06 PM

I'm not looking for greatness. Maybe like one conference championship would be nice.

Or hell, maybe one year when we are better than Duke and UNC. When's the last time that's ever happened

[Edited on January 11, 2014 at 8:30 PM. Reason : .]

1/11/2014 8:29:25 PM

I'll admit I was completely wrong about Gregg

1/11/2014 8:36:15 PM

Let's fire coaches every 2-3 years. That's a sure path to a great program!

1/11/2014 8:38:49 PM

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"If we want to be an elite program, we need an elite coach."

It's pretty obvious that elite coaches don't want to coach here.

1/11/2014 8:42:30 PM

We cannot fire Gottfried. He's too handsome.

What we need to do is murder the competition.

1/11/2014 9:01:47 PM

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"It's pretty obvious that elite coaches don't want to coach here."

The hope is that State will be an attractive job after Gott leaves in 2017/18/19

1/11/2014 9:21:05 PM

It might be a more attractive job than in 2011, it's still not going to be a destination job for elite coaches.

1/11/2014 9:26:15 PM

And its going to be even less attractive if we fire him so quickly

1/11/2014 9:29:21 PM

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"We cannot fire Gottfried. He's too handsome. What we need to do is murder the competition."

Well, Packpride has done a great job with bringing UNC a peg down, and if Gott can somehow hold onto his recruiting momentum till K,Boeheim and Roy retire, then we will have a brief window to win the ACC/become elite immediately after that.

Thats why it is so important for Liverpool to win the League the next 2 years under Rodgers. This is their window

[Edited on January 11, 2014 at 9:30 PM. Reason : ]

1/11/2014 9:29:39 PM

In the mean time, we can stock up on draft picks

1/11/2014 9:32:02 PM

Or just stop them from leaving

1/11/2014 9:50:00 PM

while i'm definitely part of the "how the fuck has mark gottfried not figured out how to coach defense by now considering it's been his biggest criticism for a really long time" crowd, tj warren and cat barber accounted for seven fucking points. SEVEN. this is a totally different ballgame if both of them are not completely fucking worthless.

1/11/2014 11:17:27 PM

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"The hope is that State will be an attractive job after Gott leaves in 2017/18/19"

where is he going? motorcycle accident with a co-ed?

the worst part is our obvious replacement (archie) has a really similar profile to gott at dayton right now - good offense, shit defense.

1/11/2014 11:44:02 PM

The thing is if we're not winning championships , I would rather have good offense + bad defense over good defense + bad offense, because they are mutually exclusive for non-elite coaches

& moments like these support my theory: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQcUp2MQtsE

[Edited on January 11, 2014 at 11:54 PM. Reason : ]

1/11/2014 11:53:46 PM

Remember when everyone was worried he would leave us for another offer?

Good times

1/12/2014 12:42:18 AM

Problem is, we have a coach that is only good at offense and our offense is not even good.

We''re never going to get an established elite coach to come here. Our only hope is to hire a up and coming elite coach that makes his name big while he's here. The best chance for that is to keep firing bad coaches without waiting too long to the point where everyone notices we are shitty and then cupboard empties out the year you fire the bad coach.

Don't sell at the bottom of a dying stock.

1/12/2014 3:58:04 AM

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"and our offense is not even good. "

we were 9th in the country in scoring last year ....

shockingly enough we've seen a dip in our offensive production after losing 79% of last years scoring ...


fucking imagine that. In short, you're a moron. We shot TWENTY EIGHT PERCENT.... TWENTY EIGHT. No amount of "offensive coaching" can overcome our top 10 in the country scoring leader going 1-9 and scoring 4 points.

have some perspective please.

1/12/2014 5:25:50 AM

actually thats exactly what coaching does. it puts players in the position to have good shots that they can make. we were 9th in the nation on offense last year with top 4 talent so that was still a huge disappointment.

1/12/2014 5:43:21 AM

oh, so you're a moron.

1/12/2014 5:48:35 AM

The first rule of Sports Talk is don't respond to Earl

1/12/2014 10:25:31 AM

He's just a poor man's face

1/12/2014 10:35:37 AM

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"I'll admit I was completely wrong about Gregg "

but you guys will only admit you are wrong when it hits you in the face so hard.

i remember when it was considered trolling to say we should hire the guy we should have hired and you guys didn't start admitting you weree wrong until he took a midmajor to the final four and turned them into one of the nations top programs.

1/12/2014 10:45:25 AM

Who was the coach that Yow said was worried/intimidated about competing with Duke and Carolina?

1/12/2014 10:47:55 AM

Turgeon.

1/12/2014 3:51:50 PM

We are not in the top 100 in offensive or defensive efficiency.

Only ACC team that can claim that.

1/13/2014 7:45:12 AM

i still don't like gregggggggggggggggg.


SHOULD HAVE JUST HIRED LARRAÑAGA

1/13/2014 11:50:14 AM

If one of you would run with my murder idea, we could win games and have a made-for-TV movie about us. It's worth a thought, guys.

1/13/2014 12:03:43 PM

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"We are not in the top 100 in offensive or defensive efficiency. Only ACC team that can claim that."

but we still live in a world where i get flamed for saying our offense is not good

1/13/2014 12:47:06 PM

^ No way, no one in their right mind that has watched this team the past 5 games would say our offense is good. Cat Barber is a turnover animal, Lee is the most out of control player since Farnold Degand, and Warren has shown that he cannot do everything by himself, especially when teams essentially hold/foul him on every play. Plus the other freshman are being freshman (i.e. inconsistent) and Vandy is useless on offense.

Our team is going to struggle to get to 7 ACC wins. Luckily the ACC is pretty mediocre other than Syracuse and maybe Pitt. If State can somehow gel and stop turning the damn ball over 15x per game, then maybe we get to that magical 9 win number. Overall, I just hope we see some improvement in the young guys as the season progresses. This season was a rebuilding year anyway.

1/13/2014 1:23:33 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure who would argue that our offense is good.

1/13/2014 1:25:22 PM

You get flamed for being a known troll. Our offense blows.

1/13/2014 2:10:05 PM

so are there people out there still genuinely excited for the near future of this team?

this coupled with the slaveholder grasp the NCAA tries to hold on athletes along with certain pro leagues has me caring much more about sports like hockey and baseball which aren't driving this bullshit these days.

that and knowing that we never ever in my lifetime (save the first 5 years) get any better than "meh" in any of the 2 money sports.

NC State Sports: Celebrating 25 years of "Who Cares?"

[Edited on January 13, 2014 at 9:05 PM. Reason : x]

1/13/2014 9:04:52 PM

I'm excited every next year

1/13/2014 9:17:27 PM

I want to know more about the murder plan

1/13/2014 10:37:01 PM

I have been a Gottfried defender, but tonight he got outcoached on basic shit by Bzzzzz. I'm sure the game thread is full of ref blamers, but the fact is Wake drove the basket or punched it inside EVERY SINGLE trip down the floor in the second half. What did we do when it was clear the refs were calling all sorts of ticky tack bullshit (both ways btw) and bailing out reckless drives to the basket? We settled for long contested threes by Turner and Lee.

You can blame the zone, but that zone was wide open. They were begging Lee and Barber to drive. We wouldn't for the most part and the two times we did, Lee and Barber both got sent to the line. The one time we got it down low to Anya, he goes to the line. Throw the fucking UCLA offense out the window--which we do 5 seconds into the shot clock most possessions anyways--and take the rock to the fucking hole. Christ.

Yeah I'm sure I will get the same tired responses "the refs killed us" "we couldn't hit a fucking thing" "last shot was traveling". The good coaches take advantage of the refs calling it close like they did tonight (hell even the mediocre ones as Bzzz proved tonight).

[Edited on January 15, 2014 at 11:35 PM. Reason : d]

1/15/2014 11:34:40 PM

Damned near time to go, Mark...

1/15/2014 11:49:51 PM

yup. i was a Gott defender til tonight. He lost me. Let him get this next recruiting class in, then fire him, and get Archie. Too many inexcusable coaching blunders.

Yeah yeah yeah, we're so young. It doesn't take EXPERIENCE to beat Wake. or central or really any of the teams we've lost to. Not with our talent. It takes our talent, with an average in-game coach, or even a terrible in-game coach who coaches basic defense in practice.

(I know we won't fire him though. We're stuck with him for a few more years. Meanwhile Archie will get snagged by another another former great program and turn them into a powerhouse like his brother did)

1/15/2014 11:52:06 PM

http://instagram.com/p/jN3QSnSu3f/

1/15/2014 11:55:00 PM

I'm not ready to fire him but he damn sure got outcoached tonight

1/16/2014 12:00:12 AM

Post game qutoes.

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"Gottfried: We all were in foul trouble, every time you bounce a ball. That's the tough thing, figuring out how the game will be called."

No, it's not a tough thing. I'm a chump watching the game from my couch and I could see 10 minutes into the game how it was going to be called.

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"Gottfried: I think the foul trouble got us a little bit tenatitive. Everyone seemed tentative to defend... fearful of the foul."

Yes, their team was just as fearful... except we didn't punish them for it the way they did to us.

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"Gottfried: We had some good looks. Ralston Turner had some good looks, great shots that you want him to take."

I don't know what to say if a pull up contested threes are considered a good look. Especially given how the game was being officiated.

1/16/2014 12:00:56 AM

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"Yes, their team was just as fearful... except we didn't punish them for it the way they did to us."

THIS. The rules changes should BENEFIT us

[Edited on January 16, 2014 at 12:04 AM. Reason : ]

1/16/2014 12:03:57 AM

Imagine if Calvin Cancer could benefit from this year's rules

It'd also decrease his technicals from not being fouled

1/16/2014 12:06:24 AM

We're shooting FTs much much better the past few games, but are our guys scared of contact/FT line?

1/16/2014 12:07:52 AM

Good Lord people. Gottfried isn't going anywhere. We're coming off two straight tourney appearances and had to replace an entire starting lineup (hold TJ). Everybody knew this year would be rough.

That said, he really needs to bring in an assistant that knows how to coach defense. I know we're the youngest team in the country, but we shouldn't be horrid defensively year after year.

1/16/2014 8:55:24 AM

haha, good read. some of yall are hilarious.

1/16/2014 9:05:59 AM

^^I'm not saying we need to fire the guy, but can you really argue with any of my points? Like I said, I am a Gottfried defender. His recruiting has been outstanding and generally I like the direction of the program. However, it was downright embarrassing that we didn't attack the rim with the game being called the way it was. Did you watch the game last night? Defense was NOT the problem.

Quite frankly our offense has been the problem for 4-5 games now. Now, you can take the blame off Gottfried and put it on the players if you want, but either way it's ridiculous to watch the team clank contested long range jumper after contested long range jumper less than 10 seconds into the shot clock. They just don't trust the offense and so if we aren't getting a ton of fast break points and/or TJ isn't doing TJ things, we get pounded.

1/16/2014 9:15:51 AM

Yeah, I watched most of it. Dez needs to have the green light to attack in those situations. Even if he misses the shot (which is almost always) at least he gets to the line. I actually feel better about him taking it to the basket than Cat at this point.

But then again, we tried attacking the entire 2nd half of the Pitt game and looked pitiful.

1/16/2014 9:25:06 AM