I'm just not as smart as you fellers

1/18/2014 4:51:21 PM

LOL

1/18/2014 4:53:03 PM

Jesus Christ lol

1/18/2014 5:04:26 PM

Quote :

"In 2001-02, N.C. State lost to Duke by 37 during the regular season and 30 in the ACC tournament"

we lost to Duke three times that season. they beat us by a combined 86 points

however....we swept UNC by a combined 40 that season

1/18/2014 5:04:51 PM

And it was a tournament year of course.

1/18/2014 5:06:33 PM

Bruce Pearl or Seth Greenberg

who'd you rather have if you were forced at gunpoint to pick one

1/18/2014 5:32:53 PM

I choose to shut the program down and burn down the PNC Arena instead

1/18/2014 5:33:34 PM

WTNY, honestly. We're going to be good. Honestly. Not a hopeful WTNY. But a sincere one

[Edited on January 18, 2014 at 5:44 PM. Reason : ]

1/18/2014 5:44:34 PM

Greenberg would get us more wins because he wouldn't schedule anyone as difficult as NC Central in the OOC schedule

Pearl would immediately get the NCAA on campus like he always does

1/18/2014 5:45:41 PM

just an honest question. when is the right time to fire a coach? consensus seems to be that we're too quick to get rid of them (though on Sid Lowe I'd disagree).



[Edited on January 19, 2014 at 10:03 AM. Reason : h]

1/19/2014 9:59:11 AM

let the fans decide. the AD is nothing more than a liaison between the wallets and the teams

1/19/2014 10:11:18 AM

I think the right time to fire a coach is once you give him time to get his players into his system, and see what his ceiling is. With Herb for example, he helped turn around a shitty program, implemented his system, got his players, made the NCAA tourney his 6th year, and made it the next 4. His ceiling seemed to be the Sweet 16, and finishing near the top of the conference some years. Then he quit.

With Sid, he had some initial success his first year, but despite recruiting some pretty good players, seemed to be a bad coach and consistently missed the tourney. His ceiling was probably making the tourney, if that.

Gott has made the tourney a couple times so far with mostly Sid's players, and is continuing to bring his own players in. The end result of his first season was a better than expected Sweet 16, the end result of his second season was a somewhat disappointing first round tournament exit, and who knows how this year will go with a bunch of new starters.

I think he'd really have to shit the bed to not be back next year though. Lowe was arguably one of the worst coaches in ACC history and even he got 5 years. Granted he might've gotten more years than someone who didn't help us win our most recent national title in a major sport as a player, but most programs aren't going to can someone after 3 years, especially when at least 2 of those ended up in NCAA tourney berths.

1/19/2014 11:42:10 AM

Gottfried will get at least five years.

The "consensus we don't give coaches enough time" is just wrong. We may have some fans that turn on coaches too quickly but they aren't getting fired then.

1/19/2014 11:50:36 AM

DOn't care if we hire or fire him. We are not a a relevant program anymore. Just like Liverpool aren't a relevant club anymore.

1/19/2014 11:54:26 AM

So TJ Warren is Suarez? Makes since that we are all reds.


Its not like you can't win here. The only thing we are missing is a good coach. We always get good players, have good fans, play in a good conference etc. We're just a coach away.

I know its history but if we hired Marshall way back when we would be a perennial top 10 team right now.

1/19/2014 12:21:34 PM

And we also live in the glory days of 25 years ago

1/19/2014 12:23:53 PM

Quote :

"I know its history but if we hired Marshall Miller way back when we would be a perennial top 10 team right now."

1/19/2014 12:39:26 PM

I'm looking forward to seeing the team next year (especially if Warren comes back although I don't know how realistic that is) considering how young our team is this year and the fact that our recruiting class plus Lacey should help solve a lot of our problems on offense.

The thing with Gott though still comes down to defense - like we've all known forever. Even if Abu, the Martin twins and Lacey help make our offense more efficient and dynamic like the last 2 seasons, we still haven't seen a Gottfried coached team commit to playing defense for more than a 3 week stretch in March 2 years ago. At the beginning of this year it looked like we may have improved in that matter, but the minute the offense started to struggle mightily we stopped playing any semblance of defense.

1/19/2014 12:54:27 PM

if Warren comes back next year, we'll finish top-2 in the ACC

you can quote me on that

1/19/2014 1:03:51 PM

top 2 biggest disappointments

1/19/2014 1:22:26 PM

ncstatetke is Gavin Grant. Exposed.

1/19/2014 3:12:36 PM

Quote :

"ncstatetke: if Warren comes back next year, we'll finish top-2 in the ACC you can quote me on that"

I'm not good at all this sports forecasting like y'all to do, but I know that this is wrong.

1/19/2014 3:15:05 PM

Warren isn't coming back next year, so it doesn't matter.

1/19/2014 3:29:07 PM

Get off of Mark's nuts until year 5 at least.

1/19/2014 3:33:36 PM

Also I'm pretty sure no one (outside maybe Earl) is suggesting we fire Gottfried any time soon. It's just that the last two years have given us a pretty good idea of what he is, and that's a guy who is going to need multiple acts of god to ever win the ACC or make a Final Four.

Now I would absolutely take Bruce Pearl over him. And Petrino as our FBall coach. Why does anyone give a shit about the NCAA? It's not the 1980s anymore. They don't care what you're doing as long as no one is diddling little kids.

1/19/2014 3:33:50 PM

Gottfried and Pearl each won 1 SEC regular season title and both reached the Elite 8 once. Why would you absolutely take someone with such a similar resume over Gottfried?

1/19/2014 3:51:56 PM

Quote :

"Also I'm pretty sure no one (outside maybe Earl) is suggesting we fire Gottfried any time soon. It's just that the last two years have given us a pretty good idea of what he is, and that's a guy who is going to need multiple acts of god to ever win the ACC or make a Final Four. "

thats all im saying. acts of god won't even help him because his d will still be bad.

we shouldn't fire him now because of his contract and that would set a bad precedent but all im saying is he is already a lame duck. we are simply waiting until enough time has passed so we can be pc with firing him. just hope and pray he continues to recruit until that time so that we don't have to start from square one

i can't actually fire the coach all im trying to do is convince you guys, not that we should fire him now, but that he is a shitty coach and will never take us places and thus should eventually be fired.

1/19/2014 4:04:47 PM

A noble effort

1/19/2014 4:10:47 PM

^^
Lowe was a shitty coach. Gott isn't shitty. He will take us places. Not just the Final Four. Or an ACC title. As a program we do not deserve an established elite coach yet. Gott if he does his job well, can make the State job desirable again in 3 or 4 years when we can let him move on.

1/19/2014 4:30:55 PM

we don't have to hire an established elite coach. why does everyone think thats the only way to get good?

we can hire a good coach who has not established himself as elite yet and have him establish himself here. gott had that opportunity at alabama and failed so we would be naive to believe he would do much better here.

[Edited on January 19, 2014 at 4:39 PM. Reason : at least with lowe we had no idea what we were getting or how fast his learning curve would be.

[Edited on January 19, 2014 at 4:40 PM. Reason : j]

1/19/2014 4:39:38 PM

Quote :

"we can hire a good coach who has not established himself as elite yet and have him establish himself here"

LOL, good luck with that.

1/19/2014 4:48:10 PM

^^ ahahaha

1/19/2014 5:16:51 PM

Quote :

"thats all im saying. acts of god won't even help him because his d will still be bad."

eh he got to the Elite 8 with a shittier program than ours thanks to a lucky draw. he could probably do the same here if he manages to recruit a legit NBA star and gets a similar draw. hell, we were pretty close to the E8 his first year

Quote :

"Gottfried and Pearl each won 1 SEC regular season title and both reached the Elite 8 once. Why would you absolutely take someone with such a similar resume over Gottfried?"

well when we hired gottfried I deluded myself into thinking we could be really good because I did the same thing and thought his profile was comparable to pearl's (in more ways than just results), who I wouldve been ecstatic hiring because his Tenn teams were fun to watch and also pretty good.

but there are a couple differences...

Pearl was only at UT for 6 years, Gott at Bama for 10. Both were fired in disgrace. Despite NCAA troubles, both programs seem to have been left in similar places.

Pearl 65-31 in conference, Gott 83-82

E Man is right though best way to get a stud coach is to find him before anyone else. Hopefully Archie turns into his brother and we dont have to worry about any of this

1/19/2014 8:14:07 PM

Quote :

"E Man is right though best way to get a stud coach is to find him before anyone else."

The best way to find anything is the find it before anyone else.

1/19/2014 9:41:19 PM

Quote :

"Hopefully Archie turns into his brother and we dont have to worry about any of this"

i for one am willing to fire Gottfried tonight on the hopes that Archie can turn his 11th place Atlantic Ten conference finish last year into being the next Coach K

1/19/2014 10:00:37 PM

and if you're wrong you got rid of a bad coach for nothing.

1/19/2014 11:17:30 PM

is this where i bring up all the people who compared lowe to coach k because they both sucked for 3 years

[Edited on January 19, 2014 at 11:41 PM. Reason : archie doesnt look great so far, yea. good maybe - similar to what we have?]

1/19/2014 11:41:09 PM

Yow has already contacted Geno.

1/19/2014 11:47:32 PM

You're saying we should look for diamonds in the rough wrt our coaching searches? Yeaaaah, we already know how that worked for TOB as a recruiting tactic

[Edited on January 19, 2014 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ]

1/19/2014 11:49:04 PM

no i'm saying let's try a 5* recruit next time instead of a transfer who lost his starting job

although i think we did try and the transfer is fine since we fucked up while recruiting. but i'm starting to see why he had to transfer

1/19/2014 11:57:59 PM

maybe we actually could land a 5* recruit, at the QB position..."hey kid, you know who Philip Rivers is? Russell Wilson? Mike Glennon? You wanna play in the NFL? Do you mind 7-5 seasons on your path to the pros? Come to State"

1/20/2014 12:10:05 AM

Yeah, QBU & all, but Chow/Bible/TOB aint here no more

[Edited on January 20, 2014 at 12:13 AM. Reason : Crap, this is a Gott thread, thread derailed]

1/20/2014 12:12:48 AM

come on guys, don't worry about TOB or Gott...worry about the Hunt Library

1/20/2014 12:14:33 AM

Hunt library just makes me think about all these faggot lliberals like Obama wasting our money and destroying this country one job at a time.

By comparison nc state football is a happy thought

1/20/2014 3:03:53 AM

Quote :

"maybe we actually could land a 5* recruit, at the QB position..."hey kid, you know who Philip Rivers is? Russell Wilson? Mike Glennon? You wanna play in the NFL? Do you mind 7-5 seasons on your path to the pros? Come to State""

better question is what is the coaching equivalent to nc state qbs

xavier? should we grab chris mack if he's bizarrely fired in a couple years because they dont want to a lose an assistant on his staff?

1/20/2014 3:31:44 AM

I suggest polishing up that resume. Maybe you should make some calls to ESPN to see if you can get your old gig back

1/20/2014 9:49:32 PM

???

1/20/2014 10:58:30 PM

MARK GOTTFRIED IS A GOLDEN GOD!!!

1/20/2014 10:59:53 PM

Credibility temporarily restored for giving those douches a proper send off

1/20/2014 11:00:49 PM

Quote :

"I suggest polishing up that resume. Maybe you should make some calls to ESPN to see if you can get your old gig back"

whoops

1/20/2014 11:01:46 PM