I love my 20 guage 1100, its a great youth and new shooter gun. That, and the fact that I can use it like a pistol with no issues as long as I use the low brass trap loads. On the other hand, I rack the slide on my 870 magnum 12 without even realizing it moved. If you hunt, and or shoot clays with a pump, you can actually out shoot somebody with a auto on a good day.

5/25/2011 10:24:21 PM

^I guarantee I can out shoot any pump with my autoloader. But, I've seen quite a few people who always have problems with theirs and get outshot by pumps every weekend.


[Edited on May 26, 2011 at 1:00 PM. Reason : mmm]

5/26/2011 12:57:40 PM

if somebody is good with an autoloader, yes, they are fast. However, I am jsut used to see more old, worn in not out pumps than auto's, and I was simply pointing out that once the shooter is used to it, getting back on target and or trigger cycle time is the only real limit on speed with any gun, a pump action more or less self cycles with recoil if you hold it right. I also like that a pump will allow me to cycle a misfire or dud out without missing a beat, and does not care what ammo I feed it. That said, I love my 1100, and love shooting my sisters browning auto 5 knockoff.

5/26/2011 1:12:44 PM

^I agree totally. I shoot the patrol class with a pump in the police tournaments just because I prefer Iron sites over optics, but in 3gn or Multigun I shoot auto. I see a lot of people out there who are not skilled enough to need an autoloader, they would do themselves better to go back to a pump and learn how to shoot. Last month I finished a 16rd(birdshot knockdowns) all shotgun stage in 14seconds. Right behind my time was all old guys with pumps that knew how to shoot, at the very end 45seconds were all guys with autoloaders who couldn't shoot nor reload.

5/26/2011 2:39:28 PM

get a pump.... learn on that. then try some auto loaders and switch later if you want. if i could only have 1 shotgun it would def be a pump. probably a Remington 870. once you learn a pump it's like a bike, you can pick one up and run it like crazy... it's much easier to transition from pump to auto than from auto to pump.

5/26/2011 8:54:53 PM

^so true. Money wise you cant beat it. I spent less than $250 on both my pumps. I've put close to 800 in my auto, plus I think I am going to spend more to get the forcing cone lengthened, and trying get someone to hard chrome my bolt.

5/26/2011 9:17:56 PM

MaximaDrvr and/or FenderFreek:

regarding message_topic.aspx?topic=503107&page=58#13356937

did anything ever come of this? any formal complaints filed, legal proceedings, etc?

5/31/2011 4:58:17 PM

I talked to the guy's Sergeant or CO or whatever about it. He apologized for the incident and said that he would sit down with his guys and go over GATTOTP and legal open carry. He seemed sincere enough about educating them that I didn't pursue it any further.

6/4/2011 7:34:25 AM

Quote :

"get a pump.... learn on that. then try some auto loaders and switch later if you want. if i could only have 1 shotgun it would def be a pump. probably a Remington 870. once you learn a pump it's like a bike, you can pick one up and run it like crazy... it's much easier to transition from pump to auto than from auto to pump."

see... I can understand this argument, but it isn't for everyone. It is like having a manual car- I think everyone should know how to drive one, but the fact of the matter is that not everyone does, and if you are stuck having to drive one and don't know how, it can get ugly fast. I, personally, only get to practice with my shotguns about 2-4 times a year, but my fiance never does, so if I had to have something laying around for personal defense, I'd rather it be the easy to drive automatic. To each their own, though. I would totally keep my current shotgun if I had more time to practice with it, and if I could get my fiancee more comfortable with it, but as it stands, I think I still would rather trade in (or hell, maybe just buy a second one) for a semi auto 20ga

6/4/2011 1:25:05 PM

Why would you get a 20ga for home defense?

6/4/2011 7:40:11 PM

just got back in from a match... got to run it suppressed today!!!

there were a bunch of cans there

i got to shoot:
H&K USP tactical - suppressed
Sig P220 - Suppressed
FNP 45 Tactical - Suppressed
MP5
My AR suppressed


i got to hear someone firing a 300 whisper.... all i can say is WOW!!!

6/4/2011 8:16:44 PM

^^why would you think it is not a proper round to use?

sure, a .45 is a great personal defense caliber bullet to use for a handgun, but does that mean a 9mm is not effective? I am not going to need to use a self defense shotgun from a long range, and a 20ga offers all the stopping power (plus some) that I could need.

here is a good read on some opinions on 20 vs 12:

http://www.gunforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/5134/

6/4/2011 10:18:42 PM

Didn't say it wasn't proper, I was just wondering?

6/5/2011 8:10:47 AM

ah, yeah... sorry, I just get a lot of flack for wanting a smaller, yet still efficient round, for personal defense from all my gun buddies

they are the type that have a 38sp as the back up back up behind their full size 45 and saiga 12 gauges for home defense. I personally believe that 9mm and 20ga, in a home defense situation, is more than enough, and if my fiancee is more comfortable shooting either if she needs to, then that is what I want to have sitting around. I see nothing wrong with 12ga, it's just not for us. haha sorry for reading your post as questioning my sanity on it

6/5/2011 12:23:30 PM

I've always just been a 12ga person. I use 'em for 12ga for Trap/Skeet, Turkey Hunting, and 3 Gun Competitions. I've never owned a 20. My home defense is just what ever is around the house and is loaded. Usually it's my 9mm carry, I've never had a gun that I've purchased for home defense.

6/5/2011 2:18:44 PM

I'de also have no use for a Saiga 12, I can't afford to shoot in the open class, those guys have way to much money!

6/5/2011 2:19:46 PM

I'll be down at the Wake Co. sheriff's office tomorrow filing for a pistol purchase permit. Anyone know how long it takes to process those? I've got my eye on a Glock 27.

6/5/2011 11:01:25 PM

^ 7 business days

6/5/2011 11:05:52 PM

someone tell me about Lorcin pistols.


nevermind, don't. found what i needed.

6/6/2011 8:09:29 AM

^i've heard not good things about them

6/6/2011 8:38:33 AM

yeah, i'm hanging onto one for my girlfriend's little brother until he turns 21 in a few months. Just wanted to see what I had in the safe.

6/6/2011 8:52:05 AM

Anyone seen any tactical 20ga pumps locally? gonna look this week at PDHSC, Lawmans, Davi's, and probably call Fuquay G&G

6/7/2011 9:33:15 AM

Just read SOCOM is gonna start dumping SCARs from the inventory. All the COD fanboys will be depressed; but it was a gun that fixed problems that didn't need fixing. I never liked the ergonomics of it either.

Shame they're all select-fire, the civvy SCARs are way overpriced and could use the market saturation.

6/8/2011 7:29:01 PM

I can't decide whether I want to get a red dot or an ACOG to go on my AR. I'm leaning towards the ACOG right now, because I think I'd rather have a weapon tuned for shooting accurately at 100 yards. On the other hand, I like the idea of keeping both eyes open for quick sighting down the rifle. Any opinions on which way to go?

6/8/2011 7:35:11 PM

Elcan Specter DR will give you the best of both worlds, for the price; as would any Short-Dot/4x scope like Schmidt and Bender.

For 100 yards, an ACOG is a bit overkill. It's a 300m or better sight, with applications out to 500m on a 14.5'' barrel and out to 600m on a full-size AR.

What will be the primary purpose of this rifle? Range work? Carbine classes? I would feel completely confident running a red-dot out to 300m and have done so. I've shot out to 500m on the M4 platform with iron sights, and the same with the ACOG. I prefer the Aimpoint overall, but as with everything it's shooter preference.

6/8/2011 9:19:04 PM

Any thoughts on the Kahr CM9?

I am looking for a small carry piece in 9mm and that seems to be the best option out there

6/8/2011 11:08:47 PM

^I considered getting one recently, but ended up getting a Glock 26 instead. The CM9 seems to be a good carry gun, from everything I read.

6/9/2011 12:26:13 AM

I have the P9 and really enjoy it.

6/9/2011 8:21:31 AM

Just ordered a set of Tech Sights for my Marlin 795. Can't wait to try it out

6/9/2011 10:00:01 AM

anyone using red devil lube? thoughts?

been using on the g19 for a couple months, seems to work pretty f'n well (well, at least as well as i can tell the difference between different lubrications)

6/9/2011 1:16:56 PM

Quote :

"Just ordered a set of Tech Sights for my Marlin 795. Can't wait to try it out"

I hope you'll have better results than I have had. I recently bought some for my 795 as well and installed as instructions said (locktite as well) and took it to an Appleseed weekend. The rear sight kept coming off. I even had a couple of other people while I was there, who have more experience with that then me, try and put it on (again with more locktite) and it still kept coming off every 75 rounds or so

6/9/2011 4:05:18 PM

buying a savage...is the accutrigger worth demanding or will i be alright without it? deer rifle

6/9/2011 4:13:02 PM

from what I have heard, the accutrigger is awesome. That said, I have a savage edge/axis, and have no problems hitting deer whatsoever, and I have no complaints about the gun at all.

6/9/2011 4:25:34 PM

Got my certs to apply for my CCH license last Saturday. This one old dude with his own gun taking the course got real mad because I shot way better than him on my marksmanship (28/30). Kept muttering how a woman shot better than him. Lulz.

Now I want to find a good public range, or a club, around here where they let you rent handguns or shotguns and experiment, maybe do skeet-shooting. I heard about the Wake County Wildlife Club.

I am also in the market for finding a co-existing place with archery for the bf.

Recommendations? Thoughts?

6/9/2011 4:35:08 PM

PDHSC on tryon is the best/closest indoor pistol range with pistol rentals (somewhat limited selection though).

wake county range is pretty good, so i've heard.

range 37 (formerly range 1) used to be very good (not sure on rentals), so i've heard.... but it's an hour away.

6/9/2011 4:57:01 PM

accutrigger isn't necessary if all you want to do is put deer on the ground

my 22-250 has the accutrigger and it is awesome. so crisp.

6/9/2011 5:02:59 PM

Quote :

"I hope you'll have better results than I have had. I recently bought some for my 795 as well and installed as instructions said (locktite as well) and took it to an Appleseed weekend. The rear sight kept coming off. I even had a couple of other people while I was there, who have more experience with that then me, try and put it on (again with more locktite) and it still kept coming off every 75 rounds or so"

I'll let you know.. I hope it comes in before this weekend so I can try it out. At first I was , but now I'm . lol. If I have the same issue, I'll just superglue it on or something. lol.

6/9/2011 7:30:14 PM

the "pre-accu trigger" guns are easy enough to lighten up and make nice triggers out of.

6/9/2011 9:18:43 PM

I've got a set of Tech Sights on my Ruger 10/22 and have put ~300 rounds through the gun (some of them 30 at a time rapid fire to mess with a cheap 30 round magazine I picked up) and my rear sight hasn't budged. Different gun, so maybe the 795 sights aren't as good I guess.

6/10/2011 2:01:46 PM

Is there anywhere local to shoot outside? I don't want to have to pay a range every time I want to shoot my 22

I looked at all the game lands around the triangle and they all say recreational target shooting prohibited. I just want to shoot a few cans, dammit - and I don't want to hear "NO RAPID FIRING IN LANE 5 PLEASE" over the speaker

6/10/2011 2:33:41 PM

unless you or someone you know owns the land, the answer is no

i love living in the sticks

6/10/2011 2:59:47 PM

Anyone have some land I can shoot on around here? I'll be quiet

6/10/2011 3:19:10 PM

Got my Tech Sights in today!!! Can't wait to try them out tomorrow...

6/11/2011 1:35:24 PM

It went great! I love the new Tech Sights. Overall, my accuracy is up by about 10% (did a couple appleseed comp. targets). After ~200 rounds (50 rounds being back to back mag dumps), the sights were still centered. I did use some Loctite Heavy Duty Red for automotive use and I let it cure for about 20 hours before I shot the rifle. Overall, I am very pleased. Now I just need to get a cheap foam mat for when I go prone

[Edited on June 12, 2011 at 8:20 PM. Reason : ..]

6/12/2011 8:20:01 PM

get one of those for kindergarten nap time

6/12/2011 8:56:10 PM

getting a savage 110 by the end of the week in the 30-06 department.

think its gonna work out well for me, only heard good things about the savages...

may go down to fuquay before I but this one though and see what they have.

anyone think a 300 win mag would be a better caliber?

6/13/2011 12:29:16 AM

^ for what purpose?

[Edited on June 13, 2011 at 12:41 AM. Reason : Deer hunting in NC a 300 Win Mag is overkill]

6/13/2011 12:40:28 AM

get the .30-06. cheap ammo so you can practice more.

6/13/2011 12:43:15 AM

good deal...thats what I wanted to know.

yeah i figured if i was doing any shooting over 300 yards the 200 would be better...but I guess at that distance 2" doesnt make a ton of difference.

6/13/2011 12:57:21 AM

just aim higher

6/13/2011 2:18:57 AM