I really hope that the good news that we are supposed to be getting here in the next day is that Painter committed. I'm not going to bash Vandenberg, but I think Painter would be an outstanding addition to our team and get a lot of reserve minutes behind Smith. He'd also compliment Howell very well. Howell can bang inside, but is known for his exceptional face up game. A true post presence like Painter would give a lot of flexibility to how our frontcourt could be run.

4/23/2009 6:37:39 PM

I hope it's not Vandenberg. We don't need another scrub. We need someone who can play next year.

4/23/2009 6:58:55 PM

4/23/2009 7:04:58 PM

^^most importantly he would eliminate Horner from seeing much time on the court.

4/23/2009 7:20:47 PM

horner actually showed some promise at the end of this past season and hopefully he will improve even more over the offseason



[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 7:28 PM. Reason : scored double digits in 6 out of the last 8 games]

4/23/2009 7:27:01 PM

he is a HUGE Liability on defense

he is too slow

I'd much rather have Howell and Painter taking his minutes, even Davis.


not to mention he has lost his shooting touch IMO that he had when he was a frosh

4/23/2009 7:28:30 PM

I think Horner starts at PF to begin the year. His play will determine if he stays in the starting lineup or not. He was playing quite well last year, and we will need his height at the 4 position. A move to the 4 might help him out defensively b/c he won't have to constantly be going up against players that have a clear advantage in speed over him, like when he was at the 3. We will need Javi (or Wall :crosses fingers: ), Brown, and Williams filling in the 1-3 positions.



[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 7:33 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2009 7:30:17 PM

it seems like its too early to be about painter, has he even seen the school?

4/23/2009 7:31:13 PM

davis over horner? come on man...

and i agree that he needs to stay at the PF spot

4/23/2009 7:33:12 PM

I dont know why you're rolling your eyes. It's not like this staff has been known to find diamonds in the rough. If your argument is to trust our coaches then I present our record the past 3 years. Like it or not, JV would be a wasted scholarship. I can't believe it is considered good news if we get a recruit over Boise St.

4/23/2009 7:39:45 PM

So stupid. Who should we play? Davis or Horner? They are both shit piss garbage, and we all know it. It's pretty sad if you take a step back, pull your NC State red goggles off, and look at it objectively.

4/23/2009 7:40:57 PM

I don't know that Davis is garbage. I'm not even sure if we'll see him play next year unless Horner/Smith/Howell/anybody else needs a break.

4/23/2009 7:42:34 PM

Well, think about it, we are extremely shallow in the frontcourt and the season hasn't even started. There are bound to be one or two injuries, tweaked ankles at the very least, that cause one of our existing 3 "big men" to lose time. So, somebody like davis getting some PT is not out of the question. We are really going to suck next year, ugh.

4/23/2009 7:54:53 PM

Horner sucks

I really hope he isnt at the PF spot, he's too tiny and slow to guard that position, tiny i mean light.


Id much rather have a banger like Howell/Davis, especially Painter

and JV isnt as bad as you guys are making him out to be, word is the kid can get up and run the floor and is athletic.

4/23/2009 8:17:41 PM

Horner is taller than Howell and maybe Davis (I still don't know how tall he is). They're all similar in weight.

I don't think Howell will start, but I could understand if he did. But you want Josh Davis starting over a senior? Really? Horner's not all-world but he's slowly putting things together, I'm sure he'll have a pretty respectable season next year.

4/23/2009 8:25:04 PM

Davis is somewhere in the 6'5 to 6'7 range. Howell is in the 6'7 to 6'8 range. Horner is 6'9

4/23/2009 9:38:10 PM

Horner's defense wouldn't be quite as much of a liability at PF, and his perimeter shot might be advantageous, but he's lacking 'power'.

Davis could potentially see sparse PT as a "big", especially given how much he's (supposedly) grown in the last few years. (he avg'd 25/10 at athens. mostly as their "big", i think).

I'm glad Tracy played more down the stretch. Hopefully he's been working on his endurance during the off-season, cause he's going to log a lot of minutes come fall. All-ACC! (2nd team?)

4/23/2009 10:37:18 PM

my source says horner is working out a lot, and working on the inside game. expect him to be +20 pounds and a solid inside/outside force.

4/23/2009 10:50:10 PM

I hated Horner as much as anyone the first half of the season last year. I mean, I hated the guy. Three things changed my mind.

1. He got his shooting touch back. He was deadly from 3 the last half of the season ... pretty sure he was shooting well above 50%. I hope this newly-added weight doesn't screw it back up.

2. I realized he gives his all every second he's in there. He was out-playing Costner towards the end of the year, mainly because he was hustling.

3. He stopped the hyper-pumpfake



[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 11:18 PM. Reason : ]

4/23/2009 11:15:42 PM

well he still pumpfaked, but then he drained faders when they bit.

4/23/2009 11:18:32 PM

Yeah, he no doubt still did it. But not every time he touched it like before. The pumpfakes actually seemed to make sense when he did them in the latter part of the year.

I'll never forget the duke game. He literally pump faked when he was WIDE open from three. Insane.

4/23/2009 11:20:50 PM

Quote :

"I'll never forget the duke game. He literally pump faked when he was WIDE open from three. Insane."

haha that play was awesome

http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=555112&page=1#12541930

so awesome i made a few posts about it

[Edited on April 23, 2009 at 11:25 PM. Reason : .]

4/23/2009 11:23:21 PM

Quote :

"he just looked so fucking clueless when he did that most people think HOLY SHIT THERE ISN'T A DUKE PLAYER WITHIN 20 FEET OF ME!!! I'M GONNA KNOCK THIS 3 DOWN BIATCH but dennis horner on the other hand... HOLY SHIT THERE ISN'T A DUKE PLAYER WITHIN 20 FEET OF ME!!!...OH FUCK WHAT DO I DO?? PUMP FAKE BIATCH!!!!! *pump fakes* FUCK I'M STILL WIDE OPEN, SHOULD I PUMP FAKE AGAIN? NAH I THINK I'LL JUST WAIT ANOTHER SECOND OR TWO AND THEN BRICK IT"

4/24/2009 12:26:09 AM

^+1

I got a good laugh out of that.

Josh Davis does have a good stat line...

"Averaged 25.4 ppg and 8.3 rpg as a senior"

That is from ESPN scouts

http://insider.espn.go.com/ncb/recruiting/tracker/player?recruitId=88792&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fncb%2frecruiting%2ftracker%2fplayer%3frecruitId%3d88792

4/24/2009 1:42:27 AM

Quote :

"He will be a good four year program player for the Wolf Pack with good upside. "

Good evaluation but please get the team name right.

4/24/2009 2:27:50 AM

Just for reference, ESPN rated him an 82

Davis - 82
Mays - 82
Thomas - 81
Gonzalez - 79

4/24/2009 2:36:40 AM

Any rumors floating around this morning on what the good news is?

4/24/2009 10:37:38 AM

nope

4/24/2009 12:04:07 PM

Geico? Car insurance?

ESPNs ratings are odd. 82 seems like it should be above average, but that puts him as the 99th best SF in this class...

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 12:25 PM. Reason : x]

4/24/2009 12:10:01 PM

Man I wish someone would just spill the beans already. The suspense is killing me. It doesn't help that it's a slow work day for me.

4/24/2009 1:50:51 PM

People are reporting that Nevada visited JV out in Australia and that's now the hold up for any announcement.

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 1:55 PM. Reason : how truthful that is I have no idea.]

4/24/2009 1:54:18 PM

So Vandenburg is the potential good news?

Yay ... I guess.

4/24/2009 2:02:22 PM

^^^^

Quote :

"80-89: High Major Prospect Player has the potential to start or significantly contribute as a freshman for most top national Division I programs."

4/24/2009 2:04:34 PM

Truthfully, not really excited about him. There is a reason why he hasn't gotten many big time offers and is almost impossible to find information on... and it's not because he was playing in Australia (see Ater Majok).

^ but look at the players around him. There is no one at all around who is going to a high-major program... I'm not saying that as an indictment on him, but to ESPNs rating system. It's just strange...

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 2:05 PM. Reason : x]

4/24/2009 2:04:58 PM

Quote :

"Yay ... I guess."

That about sums it up for me too.

4/24/2009 2:47:05 PM

Quote :

"People are reporting that Nevada visited JV out in Australia and that's now the hold up for any announcement."

what i am hearing

the recruit is having a hard time notifying all of the other coaches about his decision holding up the announcement.

it could be anytime.

4/24/2009 2:50:53 PM

FYI, you guys aren't on the basketball staff. You can call him by name.

4/24/2009 2:57:30 PM

^or am I?

4/24/2009 3:02:42 PM

I love how a gravis smiley on PP can cause the entire board to go absolutely fucking nuts.

4/24/2009 3:09:39 PM

i am gravis

4/24/2009 3:11:53 PM

not looking forward to a vandenberg announcement if that's what this is.

i'm not convinced he'll be any good, but i guess we'll find out.

it's looking like its gonna be about him

4/24/2009 3:28:29 PM

hell, i really dont know who it is...

4/24/2009 3:29:25 PM

^^Why is that, have you seen him play?

4/24/2009 3:39:26 PM

i saw him play ~5 times. he's gonna be all-acc by the time he leaves

4/24/2009 3:40:30 PM

^^i haven't seen him play, i also haven't heard much about him


I'm not saying he won't be good. I'm simply just saying I'm not too excited about the announcement of him signing because i simply don't know much about it. I hope he turns out to be awesome, and i'm not trying to be a pessimist. I'm just not excited about him yet. Hope i am wrong though

4/24/2009 3:42:08 PM

Quote :

"^^i haven't seen him play, i also haven't heard much about him"

"i'm just heartbroken over shitty nc state basketball so now I'm preemptively shitting on any recruit not named John Wall or has a billion stars"

4/24/2009 4:08:58 PM

Sooo.... it has been 24 hours right?

4/24/2009 4:13:32 PM

Quote :

"i saw him play ~5 times. he's gonna be all-acc by the time he leaves"

Hahah. Can we store this store somewhere?

I know you are being overly optimistic but come on. He isn't even being recruited by anyone big.

4/24/2009 4:14:37 PM

because he is in AUSTRALIA

4/24/2009 4:16:36 PM

^^^^ haha, nice reading comprehension.


i never said he wasn't going to be good. i just said i WASN'T EXCITED about his announcement.

me not getting excited over it doesn't mean i'm "shitting" on him. I was just hoping for bigger news.


I hope he ends up being a great recruit. Time will tell. I just know that I was hoping for a bigger announcement, that's all.

some people get bent out of shape over the littlest comments

4/24/2009 4:21:15 PM