Quote :

"You do not foul. We got the ball with five seconds on the clock. You do call the timeout."

Wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong.....

There was a five second differential,AT THE MOST, between the game clock and the shot clock. You KNEW Duke was going to shoot the ball with two seconds, AT THE MOST, left on the shot clock. So when the shot is missed (hopefully) we have six seconds, again AT THE MOST, to do the following two scenarios:

1st scenario:

- rebound the ball and fight off opposing team's rebounders
- outlet the ball to someone
- dribble all the way up the court
- somehow get up a contested 3-point shot

2nd scenario:

- rebound the ball and fight off opposing team's rebounders
- call timeout
- inbound the ball against Duke's tough man-to-man D (it wouldn't be like the Wake game where we got to throw the ball half-court unguarded and then dribble to the 3-point line ungaurded)


That's assuming we have 6 seconds once we grab the rebound. But we actually had about four seconds and got off a 30-footer from one of our big men. That was really AWESOME.

Instead we could have fouled them with 40 seconds left on the clock and hope they missed one or two foul shots...and even if they make both of them...we still have 35 seconds to get of a good three point shot instead of a contested HEAVE. When you are down a point or two and don't have enough time...YOU EXTEND THE GAME BY FOULING. Coaching 101. Anyone who disagrees is basically retarded when it comes to basketball.
- then probably get off a contested three point shot

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 3:27 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2008 3:26:26 PM

AND...

Quote :

"YOU DO NOT FOUL BECAUSE YOU DON'T WANT OVERTIME TO HAVE A CHANCE TO WIN OR EXTEND THE GAME."

Seriously...we didn't have five seconds to get up the court and get a shot. We had four, maybe three and a half seconds. When the shot went up there was six seconds left. It took us over a second to rebound and come down with the ball.

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 3:29 PM. Reason : .]

3/1/2008 3:29:05 PM

Johnson sucks donkey balls and this was the worst loss to stomach this season IMO

3/1/2008 3:29:13 PM

3/1/2008 3:33:18 PM

Quote :

"You do not foul. We got the ball with five seconds on the clock. You do call the timeout"

It's not worth arguing with idiots who say shit like this

3/1/2008 3:35:46 PM

i so wish i could have went to bed at a reasonable hour and got that ticket....it would have been wolfweb funny to me cause scrumples asked so much and i still woulda got it

3/1/2008 3:39:35 PM

box score highlights:
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=280610152

javi 4/4 on 3s
johnson leads turnovers w/ 4 in 7 minutes of play, javi has 1 with 32 mins of play
we out-rebounded duke by 8
we out-shot duke by 16% from the field .. 38.6%/54%
duke took 8 more FTs than we did
ben, javi & tracy combined for 51 of our 86 points

carry on.

my request: no more johnson PLEASE. we saw tonight that fergie can take the ball up the court just fine (against duke's scrappy D, no less). let him do it for a few minutes while javi rests from now on.

3/1/2008 3:50:18 PM

Oh well, we lost, lets bandage the wound by pulling for BC agasint UNC

18-5 BC right now

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 3:53 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2008 3:52:56 PM

It sucked that for 3 days I'd been looking for tickets with no luck whatsoever that I have to go out to the RBC center and flag people down to get into a game I just about see more Duke fans Cameron REJECTS sitting comfortably on the lower level (and you guessed it, in the fucking student section) than I do state fans.

Seriously, it's disappointing. I bet tailsock was at this game and paid less for tickets than I did.

Fuck you guys.

3/1/2008 4:58:00 PM

by the way, douchebags

Sid DID call a timeout as we were running the ball up at the end. The ref apparently looked right at him and didn't call the TO

per Sid's post game

3/1/2008 5:21:00 PM

i'm sure its been said, but... way to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

3/1/2008 5:33:36 PM

yeah go listen to the postgame on WRAL

3/1/2008 5:41:17 PM

too bad guys! i told you it'd be alot closer than you thought.....i really thought state would win

3/1/2008 5:51:39 PM

Quote :

" RALEIGH, N.C. - Duke faced another deep deficit and was staring at yet another road loss, but these Blue Devils had an even bigger problem: They weren't following the instructions of their Hall of Fame coach. ADVERTISEMENT So during some late breaks, Mike Krzyzewski turned control of the huddle over to the players, and that strategy led to his latest milestone victory. DeMarcus Nelson capped a remarkable late rally by making two free throws with 1:01 remaining to lift No. 7 Duke past North Carolina State 87-86 on Saturday and give Coach K his 800th career win. "He kind of let us decide what we were going to do with the game," guard Jon Scheyer said, "because for a lot of it, we weren't doing the things that (the coaches) told us to do." Nelson and Scheyer both scored 19 points for the Blue Devils (25-3, 12-2 Atlantic Coast Conference), who used a game-closing 14-5 run to take their only lead of the half, win their third straight and snap a two-game losing streak away from Cameron Indoor Stadium. "For a couple of late timeouts, I let anyone who would actually want to talk — and say something that somebody would listen to — run the huddle," Krzyzewski said. "Teams become really good when they talk to each other. What happens is, they take ownership. We never took ownership of this game until late in the second half." Ben McCauley scored 19 points for N.C. State (15-14, 4-11), and he made one of two free throws with 1:11 remaining to put the Wolfpack up 86-85. He fouled Nelson 10 seconds later, and the Duke captain — a 45 percent free throw shooter in his previous six games — knocked down both. "If I would have made that, we're in overtime right now," McCauley said. Instead, he turned it over on N.C. State's next possession with 40 seconds remaining, and Duke ran down the clock, with Scheyer missing a 3-pointer with 4 seconds left. Courtney Fells got the rebound and pushed the ball to McCauley, whose 3 from about 30 feet bounced off the glass as time expired. "I tried getting as close as I could, and it really wasn't even a shot — I just threw it up and hoped and prayed that it went in. Unfortunately, it didn't," said McCauley, who as the buzzer sounded collapsed to the court with his jersey pulled over his head. Greg Paulus scored 15 points and hit two 3s during Duke's frenetic comeback, sparking the burst by connecting from the top of the key with 3:52 remaining to make it 81-76. The Blue Devils hit five 3-pointers in the final 7 1/2 minutes. "N.C. State really outplayed us the whole game except for the last 8 minutes," Nelson said. "Everything was going for them, but the thing about it is, we pulled together as a team. ... It just clicked for us — in the last 8 minutes, we started making the plays that we needed to win." Kyle Singler and Gerald Henderson had 12 points apiece for the Blue Devils, who made Krzyzewski the sixth Division I men's coach to reach the milestone. Coach K did it in his 1,064th game — only Adolph Rupp and Dean Smith did it in fewer games — and is 800-264 in his 33rd season. "It is hard to put it in perspective because ... you're coaching this team, and it's more important what this team is doing than what you've done with other teams," Krzyzewski said. This one might have been one of his most improbable victories, if only because N.C. State — with coach Sidney Lowe sporting the same candy-apple red blazer that was the rage of last year's run to the ACC championship game — put forth its most inspired effort of an otherwise disappointing season. Still, it wasn't enough to prevent its seventh straight loss and avoid becoming the first team this season with 11 conference losses. "We've been saying this all year — if we come out and play like that, we can play with anyone," Lowe said. "We need more guys to be ready to play. We need guys to be unselfish. We did all of that today, and it was great to see that if we can do that against the top teams in the country, we should be able to do it against anyone. ... We have to judge ourselves and play a certain way ourselves, and not up to the opponent." Freshman Javier Gonzalez added a season-high 18 points and fellow rookie Tracy Smith had a season-high 14 in his first start for the Wolfpack, who led most of the game. They took a 70-57 lead on McCauley's jumper with 12:41 remaining and for a time maintained it by making 22 of their first 23 foul shots. But down the stretch, they went 3-of-6 over the final 2 1/2 minutes, with Gonzalez going 2-of-4."

3/1/2008 5:55:06 PM

http://videos.newsobserver.com/?a=player&id=1746840

I didn't realize how awful the call on Mccauley was until I saw the replay!

3/1/2008 6:11:34 PM

^ it really doesn't get much worse than that

3/1/2008 6:16:41 PM

did everyone hear the ballon pop from the band section during mccauley's free throw attempt?

3/1/2008 6:21:22 PM

johnson and horner really are the heart and soul of this team

i have no idea where we'd be without them

3/1/2008 6:25:09 PM

http://videos.newsobserver.com/?a=player&id=1746965

Coach K: "I don't think [State] played poorly in the last 8 minutes--just somehow...our guys made remarkable plays in the last 8 minutes..."

:snickers and giggles from the peanut gallery:

Quote :

"johnson and horner really are the heart and soul of this team "

McCauley seems like the only player that truly gives a damn on this team

Nobody plays with more passion and absolutely hates when we lose than Ben McCauley

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 6:30 PM. Reason : asdfgh]

3/1/2008 6:26:29 PM

Meh...you foul you're down by 3 and not just 1...not fouling gives you a chance on a 2...so I don't know if fouling was the obvious choice. But not fouling and no TO? Are you kidding? But in the end...make your effing free throws and we win this game.

3/1/2008 6:34:19 PM

Much as I hate Duke, I just can't hate K.

3/1/2008 6:45:44 PM

Sid says he did call time out and didn't get it?

http://videos.newsobserver.com/?a=player&id=1746965

3/1/2008 6:47:26 PM

on that page, a little lower, its got video of that "foul"... it was just ridiculous... it really was

I still think that a foul call could have taken some of the pressure, especially with the shot clock and game close being as close as they were, but I'm not a coach, so whatever

3/1/2008 7:00:27 PM

you guys act like a bad call against us near the end of a game is something new and surprising

3/1/2008 7:01:40 PM

^ exactly, it only happens to State, no other team ever

3/1/2008 7:05:55 PM

^

3/1/2008 7:08:29 PM

saw two big missed calls at the very end (IMO)... and i've missed most of this thread but what was with no-call when they clothes-lined javi?

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 7:14 PM. Reason : foul on mccauley was one of em... shoulda been a walk, and i remember seeing one other..]

3/1/2008 7:11:53 PM

do you remember the missed free throws too? or being up by 11 and letting them back in?

3/1/2008 7:18:00 PM

what's your point Jaybee? i'd rather lose because of OUR mistakes, like the ones you mentioned, than get screwed by the boys in black and white

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 7:19 PM. Reason : ]

3/1/2008 7:18:53 PM

then you should be fine with todays outcome.

3/1/2008 7:20:28 PM

um... no

3/1/2008 7:21:59 PM

aside from the L itself

3/1/2008 7:26:52 PM

Quote :

"what was with no-call when they clothes-lined javi?"

3/1/2008 7:28:09 PM

maybe this is gods way of saying dont sleep through duke ncsu dnl....cant believe i could have feasibly gone to this game

3/1/2008 7:33:00 PM

3/1/2008 7:35:47 PM

haha

[Edited on March 1, 2008 at 7:38 PM. Reason : he's got an outie!]

3/1/2008 7:38:19 PM

Quote :

"Coach K Gets 800th Win in Comeback Against NC State While Wife Yells at Officials Duke will probably be playing the first weekend on the NCAA tournament in Raleigh's RBC Center. Good thing that the NC State Wolfpack won't be there. Duke needed a wild comeback to beat the lowly Pack, 87-86, and keep pace for with North Carolina atop the ACC standings. The win gave Blue Devils coach Mike Krzyzewski his 800th career victory. 727 of those wins have come at Duke, where he has won three national championships, 11 ACC regular season titles and been to ten Final Fours. In this game, Duke did what they always do to pull this one out: get after it on defense, gun threes (they shot 28 of them and 29 from inside the arc) and got to the foul line (37 times). They also got an assist from Coach K's wife who yelled at the officials that they sent the wrong NC State player to the free throw line (the officials met and changed the call). Ah, the couple who berates officials together, stays together. NC State had a 70-57 lead seven minutes into the second half but lost focus defensively. Jon Scheyer hit a three to start the comeback. Greg Paulus hit one. Then DeMarcus Nelson. Then Paulus hit another one. Then Nelson. Then Paulus. In all, Duke hit 13-of-28 from deep. For the Wolfpack, this loss has to hurt. State had lost six games in a row and been accused of mailing it in of late. They had led for most of this game and seemed to have control late. Give credit to them for bringing it this afternoon as their coach, Sidney Lowe, has been dealing with his mother being in the hospital after suffering a heart attack. It was also senior day in Raleigh, where Gavin Grant was honored in what was probably his final game at home. Still, State is now 4-11 (two more losses than anyone else in the conference) and has a week off the stew about this before a showdown at Wake Forest."

3/1/2008 7:42:29 PM

you forgot something: http://videos.newsobserver.com/?a=player&id=1746840

3/1/2008 7:44:05 PM

we literally have the worst team in the acc?

3/1/2008 7:47:18 PM

um yeah, not even that close

3/1/2008 7:53:43 PM

that's an old stat, it's now one more loss

and

NC State .267
UVA .231

3/1/2008 8:01:58 PM

had we won today it would have made this much difference in our season..

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3/1/2008 8:28:56 PM

reasons we lost:

1.refs
2.letting duke shoot too many 3s
3.duke shooting the 3pt and ft game of their lives
4.johnson played 7 minutes
5.fells foul trouble
6.grant and costner not showing up at all really

reasons we were in it:

1.javi playing like an all american (where has this been?)
2.furgie playing some point guard and bringing the ball up vs dukes press with ease(backup pg anyone?)
3.tracy and ben being absolute beasts (expected vs duke but where was hickson?)

3/1/2008 8:46:15 PM

i don't know what's worse:

losing this game like we did

winning this game after losing all the games we shouldn't have lost

3/1/2008 8:48:06 PM

Quote :

"4.johnson played 7 minutes"

Probably the biggest reason we lost.

3/1/2008 8:51:03 PM

Holy shit that video. I didn't have that good of seats to see what happened during that transaction, and it's a really good thing. That's the most infuriating thing I've seen all season long.

3/1/2008 8:58:30 PM

can we start a petition to suspend Jaybee? all he does is troll.

3/1/2008 9:10:41 PM

it was the most painfully obvious bad call i've seen in a long time. his arm was fully extended around the back of mccauley, unreal.

and i feel really bad for gavin.

3/1/2008 9:13:11 PM

I mean, come on, jaybee. Trolling aside, do you seriously think it's a coincidence that something like this was a call to benefit the team it did? That call singlehandedly cost us the game.

I think I've had just about enough of that fucking team.

3/1/2008 9:27:41 PM

pretty blatant hook at that, was unacceptable for the call to go the opposite way

but either way that was with approximately 1 minute left on the clock, it is still on us that we were unable to score or draw a foul on the subsequent posession

3/1/2008 9:37:08 PM