Also, XP starter edition had that exact same limitation and most people with sticks up their ass about the win7 thing seem unaware that XP starter edition even exists.

4/21/2009 3:39:01 PM

welcome to page 8:
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=553929&page=8#12590351
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=553929&page=8#12590655

this has been discussed before, don't get in a fit because of something you won't use.

[Edited on April 21, 2009 at 4:08 PM. Reason : ,]

4/21/2009 4:07:19 PM

^^Yeah, I think it was designed for asian countries that just pirate everything, it's the only business model that can work in those countries.

4/21/2009 6:29:13 PM

OMG everyone doesn't need or want the exact same functionality I do !?!?!!!!111

Also, May 5th is the date for RC. I think you guys have pretty big misconceptions about the lag between build dates and release dates for non-RTM products.

4/23/2009 11:16:13 PM

When do the win7 upgrade tickets start shipping with new machines? I want to get a netbook/small laptop but i wanna get dat windows 7.

4/23/2009 11:19:11 PM

^June 26?

4/24/2009 12:13:36 AM

be careful all you early adopters

Windows 7 hack 'cannot be fixed'
3KB of code is all that's needed to take control of your PC
http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/pc/windows-7-hack-cannot-be-fixed--594245

you have to have physical access to the PC of course, so just FYI.

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 1:08 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2009 1:06:38 PM

That actually seems like a useful tool if you have forgotten your local admin password and need to do a restore or something.

Also, I like how it's the guy who wrote the app who's saying "It can't be fixed".

4/24/2009 1:13:08 PM

^yeah I doubt it can't be fixed. It would probably just take a lot of changes to the code that wont occur for something like this. I mean honestly with physical access to a computer running any OS you could probably find a pretty easy way to access the information one way or the other.

[Edited on April 24, 2009 at 1:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/24/2009 1:17:05 PM

well i dunno but what if you have network boot enabled - maybe then they could do it without physical access

4/24/2009 1:29:48 PM

I've had to have this argument as tech support with lots of customers. They'd have firewalls and protections on each individual machine that would fuck with our products and we'd ask them to uninstall that crap.

If they're in your network, you've lost already.

4/24/2009 3:07:24 PM

^^ This only works on PC's without TPM hardware. If you are on a TPM enabled machine, the attack is completely ineffective.

In Vista, Bitlocker+TPM is a Ultimate/Enterprise feature. For Win7, it's supposedly a universal feature. And most OEMs should be shipping TPM hardware in their machines by the time Win7 ships (Dell has already been doing this for a couple of years).

4/24/2009 3:27:01 PM

Well, it's more secure than Windows 2000/XP, where you can wipe the administrator password (or whomever) to gain access and then log in as them. Certainly a detectable method of breaking in, but it is easy and fast.

4/24/2009 5:56:09 PM

Interesting way to get around compatibility issues...

http://www.engadget.com/2009/04/24/virtualized-windows-xp-coming-to-windows-7-professional-and-ulti/

4/24/2009 7:31:20 PM

If someone has physical access to a person's computer, there's little to nothing available to average consumers thats going to be 100% secure.

I mean really, why would that even get press time as an issue?

THIS JUST IN GUYS, IF SOMEONE STEALS YOUR COMPUTER YOU'RE FUCKED.

yawn.

4/25/2009 3:53:43 PM

i kept saying i wasn't gonna do it, but 7100 fell in my lap today so i couldnt say no

lots of bugs yet, but its pretty

4/29/2009 2:15:21 AM

I had a f'in hell of at time trying to reinstall this on my macbook pro. after going through the 32 bit version that worked fine before and the 64 bit version without being able to get into setup i tried an XP pro disc..that didnt work either. only one i could get to work was vista so i'm back on f'in vista. really missing the new task bar in win 7

4/29/2009 8:17:16 AM

You need XP SP3 to install via BootCamp.

I haven't tried running Win7 via BootCamp, but it runs in VMware great.

4/29/2009 2:42:13 PM

Yeah I had it installed fine first try before..not sure why it gave so much trouble this last time. Previously I had XP installed and installed over that with Win 7. Going straight from a clean partition to Win 7 though for some reason didn't work--I can't remember the problem now but it was a pretty common one from what I found.

4/29/2009 2:44:53 PM

If you aren't running windows 7 as your primary os u a scrub.

4/29/2009 2:49:31 PM

Quote :

"i kept saying i wasn't gonna do it, but 7100 fell in my lap today so i couldnt say no lots of bugs yet, but its pretty"

I would advise against this. Wait for the public RC, or use the public beta. There are lots of reasons why using a interim build is a really bad idea.

4/29/2009 6:28:32 PM

I just installed 7100 on a 1.7ghz P4 with 1GB of ram. Performance is OK, but not nearly as good as a clean XP install. However, hardly any of my hardware is supported! My audio card is not supported, and I had to try 5 different network cards before finding one that worked. None of the following NIC's worked:

Linksys LNE100
3COM 3C905c
Dell onboard (forget the chipset)
Dlink DFE-530 (blue screen!)

The only one that worked is an old realtek chipset. 8319 or something.

4/30/2009 12:57:18 AM

Quote :

"There are lots of reasons why using a interim build is a really bad idea."

4/30/2009 11:02:15 AM

Quote :

"I would advise against this. Wait for the public RC, or use the public beta"

4/30/2009 3:33:22 PM

But isn't the 7100 build just a leak of the actual RC anyway? What's the difference. Aside from "Piracy, bad".

4/30/2009 4:30:33 PM

unless you check the hash to verify its the same as the official RC, theres no telling where it came from. Which means it might contain bad stuff.

4/30/2009 4:34:57 PM

Gosh, if only there was an easy way to check the hash against a known good copy.

4/30/2009 4:42:27 PM

idk, i haven't seen microsoft post the official hashes.

4/30/2009 4:43:39 PM

Quote :

"But isn't the 7100 build just a leak of the actual RC anyway? What's the difference. Aside from "Piracy, bad"."

Until it's actually announced, there is no RC build #. Keep in mind, 7100 is just a major build number. There can be hundreds of incremental builds with that same major label.

People, it's 5 damn days. What could any of you POSSIBLY need that you can't wait 5 days for? I mean, if it's just an internet leet ePeen thing, then I guess I understand, but I can't think of a single viable reason to pre-empt the actual announced build + hash.

It has nothing to do with piracy, these are all open and free prelease packages. It has to do with security, stability and performance. You have absolutely no way to know that some torrent isn't packed with malicious shit, because there's no authoritative comparison. You have no idea how stable or performant the build will be IF it is authentic.

In my own group, daily builds (which is what everyone is torrenting) can go from release quality to completely non-functional from day to day. There's a good reason that the latest builds AREN'T officially released daily or weekly, and it's not a nefarious desire to keep people out.

4/30/2009 5:44:10 PM

Actually Windows 7 RC1 is on Technet and MSDN now.... I'm sure someone will release an md5sum, and those of us that downloaded it earlier will be able to verify whether it's the real thing or not.

5/1/2009 2:17:46 PM

And yes indeed, the version I got a few days ago is exactly the same as the one released yesterday. md5 checksum is the same.

5/1/2009 2:43:19 PM

Because MD5 can't be spoofed.

5/1/2009 3:02:00 PM

Unless it's something I don't know about, spoofing the md5sum on a file that large isn't feasible. The only only proof of concept that I've seen was a very small executable and it took 2-3 days to do the computations. The iso is more than 2GB.

5/1/2009 3:22:34 PM

^cool, yep MS announced it officially yesterday. If your checksum matches you should be good to go

5/1/2009 5:36:50 PM

Im running the RC now on my MBP. I didn't really use the old beta i had much because i also had XP on the VMware that i used for programming and of course use OSX for regular stuff.

I do like Win7. Runs fast. Everything setup without a hitch. I'll keep using it (with IE8 beta) for a few days and see how i feel about it.

The first thing that hits me though in windows land is how big and clunky all the apps are with the menu bars in every window. I seems like every app has a fat frame around it and it makes it feel alittle more cluttered and clunky. Also going back and forth between windows fine font and apples sorta fat smooth font takes getting used to.

5/4/2009 4:19:00 PM

fff

[Edited on May 4, 2009 at 4:25 PM. Reason : f]

5/4/2009 4:24:58 PM

^^ Yeah, the visual appeal on vista and 7 both don't really rub me the right way. I like Aero, but the huge isometric icons kinda piss me off.

5/4/2009 6:07:44 PM

Quote :

"Im running the RC now on my MBP. I didn't really use the old beta i had much because i also had XP on the VMware that i used for programming and of course use OSX for regular stuff. I do like Win7. Runs fast. Everything setup without a hitch. I'll keep using it (with IE8 beta) for a few days and see how i feel about it."

I tried installing it on Parallels and it took over an hour for the installer to load. I let it run overnight and it never installed. Is VMware that much better?

5/4/2009 6:21:28 PM

It installed in VMware w/o a hitch. took maybe.. 15-20min? I use VMware a lot and its so far worked perfectly for my needs. I even do embedded programming/design using XP in VMware and it programs and debugs my devices over USB and serial perfectly.

5/4/2009 6:42:35 PM

^^Parallels does not support Win7, AFAIK.

VMWare Fusion does, but YMMV there. Microsoft doesn't yet officially support Win7 on anything other than Hyper-V (that I know of).

5/4/2009 7:04:06 PM

98341AF35655137966E382C4FEAA282D
*7100.0.090421-1700_x64fre_client_en-us_Retail_Ultimate-GRC1CULXFRER_EN_DVD.iso

this good?

5/4/2009 7:41:45 PM

you'll find out in about 5 hours

5/4/2009 7:47:01 PM

i'm bored and don't feel like waiting. I think that's the technet 64bit hash, but yeah we'll see.

5/4/2009 7:47:45 PM

already got my product keys.

i can confirm the filenames:
7100.0.090421-1700_x86fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culfrer_en_dvd.iso
7100.0.090421-1700_x64fre_client_en-us_retail_ultimate-grc1culxfrer_en_dvd.iso

5/4/2009 11:38:07 PM

Official hashes (https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/subscriptions/securedownloads/default.aspx)

en_windows_7_ultimate_rc_x64_dvd_347803.iso
CRC: 58FB2BE0
SHA1: FC867FE1AB2E0A9796F9E4D155B44EA6998F4874

en_windows_7_ultimate_rc_x86_dvd_349010.iso
CRC: E8A1C394
SHA1: 7D1F486CA569EFFFFB719CFB48355BB7BF499712


Microsoft doesn't use MD5 for hashes, but you should be able to compare against these. Although you can now legally download it through Microsoft, so what's the point?

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/evalcenter/dd353205.aspx

To download now, you'll need to signup for Technet if you haven't yet

I'll post the MD5's for the iso's after they finish downloading (Prospero or anyone else feel free to if you get done before I do).

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 12:09 AM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 12:08:17 AM

i use hashtab
http://beeblebrox.org/hashtab/

and i'm downloading both at the same time so it's going to be awhile, avg. 180KB/s each (300KB/s+) not great

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 12:27 AM. Reason : .]

5/5/2009 12:26:45 AM

yeah mine is ~200k/sec. They are throttling everything to keep the servers alive for the first few days.

5/5/2009 12:42:02 AM

mine's at about 570 kb/s

[Edited on May 5, 2009 at 12:50 AM. Reason : now it's 850]

5/5/2009 12:49:39 AM

Grandmaster: You are good, MD5 matches

CRC 58FB2BE0
MD5 98341AF35655137966E382C4FEAA282D
SHA1 FC867FE1AB2E0A9796F9E4D155B44EA6998F4874

5/5/2009 3:44:47 AM

Thanks for checking, I was going to post my hashtab results earlier (thanks for that Prospero, btw) but I didn't feel like installing flashfxp and my .PNG kept getting corrupt with ftp>put

Now I've been messing with Media Portal for the past 4 hours and I'll only be getting 3.5 for sleep yay.

5/5/2009 3:54:16 AM