how the fuck are flights that highly priced, closed it but was it first class or something? even still , there was a $10K flight on there for like air canada

2/3/2010 8:04:21 PM

its fake. there isn't even an oceanic airlines

2/3/2010 8:09:04 PM

How about a spoiler tag geez

2/3/2010 8:11:12 PM

oh thought it said Oceania (like the joke was that it was close enough)

2/3/2010 8:14:43 PM

for page 11

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"and would a lot of people be upset if i posted the names of the rest of the episodes of season 6 that have been released just to piss off mambagrl?"

2/3/2010 8:15:21 PM

If you click Oceanic, it takes to the Lostpedia article for flight 815

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 8:16 PM. Reason : I don't think we should be posting episode titles beyond the upcoming week]

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 8:16 PM. Reason : Everyone should know you can find them at IMDB, just go there]

2/3/2010 8:15:31 PM

^ i know you can find them there. i just want to do it because she threw a fit after someone posted the name of next week's episode

2/3/2010 8:18:19 PM

You realize she's just an alias right?

You gettin trolled, brah

2/3/2010 8:18:54 PM

rat soup is so smart guys. he's such a good show watcher that he figured out a way to go on wikipedia and find the names of upcoming episodes as well as summaries of them all. this helps him with his theories! he also reads interview from actors and producers of the show to gain further insight on what will happen in the show! so badass!

2/3/2010 8:20:50 PM

yep. i welcome everyone to read through the discussion i had on the last few pages with duro and know that everything i said i stole from other sources. woops. gettin trolled here

2/3/2010 8:24:51 PM

Rat Soup, please don't put the name of the show in your posts anymore. By saying "Lost", you have implied that the people in the show are lost on an island or something and I don't appreciate that spoiler.

2/3/2010 9:23:39 PM

forgive me

2/3/2010 9:36:57 PM

i might be late to the party with this epiphany, but: sayid shot ben, who had to be healed in the spring. ben's dad shot sayid, who was also taken to the spring.

CRAZY, HUH?

2/3/2010 10:36:24 PM

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"I'm glad they got Matt Parkman to do the pilot's voice. Back when Season 1 premiered he was the pilot of the plane but nobody knew who Matt Parkman was back then since it was before Heroes started."

Uhh...ever heard of a little show called Alias? Greg Grunberg was in that for all 5 seasons. He was a major character in Felicity too. I mean, I guess you're correct in saying that nobody knew who "Matt Parkman" was, but I definitely recognized Greg Grunberg in the pilot episode.

2/3/2010 10:38:48 PM

started rewatching last night's episode. no way jack B remembers desmond from the stadium in LA. i'm guessing that didn't happen in this timeline. he must have memories of jack A floating around in his head

haha i also just realized the irony of boone telling locke "if this thing goes down, i'm sticking with you" since that's what got him killed in timeline A

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 11:36 PM. Reason : boone]

2/3/2010 11:32:43 PM

lol i imagine you like bennet from heroes in your apartment posting clips from blogs on a board with lost constantly playing in the background while you connect the posts with strings and try and figure out what will happen next

but jack didn't drink in his new timeline. he probably never lost his wife. everyone seems different except kate and locke. sawyer didn't even try to help kate which was surprising.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 11:38 PM. Reason : pulled hamstirng]

2/3/2010 11:37:16 PM

Forgive me if I'm not up to par for the discussion, as I have not read 99% of this thread...but has anyone explained why Shannon was not on the flight?

2/3/2010 11:46:05 PM

boone explained it himself. she didn't want to go back with him.

2/3/2010 11:49:44 PM

^ what he said.

- there are many differences in things that happened on plane in that time-line than what happened on the original plane ride... obviously the big thing of landing at LAX and all, but several small things as well. So it seems that things before the plane ride probably went differently as well.

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"but jack didn't drink in his new timeline. he probably never lost his wife. everyone seems different except kate and locke. sawyer didn't even try to help kate which was surprising."

ehh, not sure if i should bother responding or not... but:

Jack does drink. He had a drink and told the stewardess it wasn't strong enough, she gave him another bottle. Sawyer did help Kate. He could have pointed her out to security, and he didn't. He also held up the 2 guys to let her off the elevator. Although, they were already getting off so I'm not sure why he bothered to do that.

[Edited on February 3, 2010 at 11:59 PM. Reason : .]

2/3/2010 11:53:31 PM

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"lol i imagine you like bennet from heroes"

haha heroes is gay

[Edited on February 4, 2010 at 12:08 AM. Reason : .]

2/4/2010 12:08:30 AM

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"He also held up the 2 guys to let her off the elevator. Although, they were already getting off so I'm not sure why he bothered to do that."

He did it to show her that he knew what the deal was, and he was helping her anyway

2/4/2010 12:09:54 AM

she saw him see the handcuffs. anyhow, i don't think it really matters. so moot point.

2/4/2010 12:17:47 AM

jack was also looking for a pen when he was trying to save charlie just like he did on the beach in the pilot when he was trying to save rose. in both cases he ended up not needing it.

2/4/2010 12:30:57 AM

maybe one of these days jack will actually get to puncture someone's esophagus to give them an air hole to breath through.

2/4/2010 7:35:57 AM

^^Jack never wanted a pen in the pilot... it was something boone came up with and jack let him go for it to get him out of his way.

2/4/2010 7:41:37 AM

^This is correct.

Also one thing that someone pointed out that I'm surprised I didn't pick up on. When Sun and Jin were going through customs, one of the airport employees referred to Sun as Ms. Paik, NOT Mrs. Kwon. This implies that Sun and Jin aren't married in the alternate timeline. I don't have the episode recorded anymore but if anyone does, could your take a look and see if either of them are wearing wedding rings?

2/4/2010 9:08:42 AM

excellent catch.

2/4/2010 9:20:18 AM

someone refresh me on the significance of the watch and the money that Jin had.

2/4/2010 10:19:33 AM

The watch was from Sun's father. The money, I don't know. Maybe it had something to do with his new, alternate-reality reason for flying to LA.

2/4/2010 10:29:51 AM

Yeah I'm pretty sure he didn't have the money in the first iteration. He did tell Sun to button her shirt though, so they are probably at least in a relationship.

2/4/2010 10:35:26 AM

Money was either to bribe someone, or to pay for their new life in the US.

2/4/2010 11:22:47 AM

I read a theory about the healing spring/Sayid that actually makes a lot of sense. The spring is clear when Jacob is in control of the island, and murky when Smokey is in control. Anyone who gets resuscitated by the spring gains some kind of affinity to whoever is in control at the time, and is capable of harming/killing them. Ben got saved by the Spring when he was a boy, and was able to kill Jacob. Sayid got healed by the Spring now, and will be the one to kill Smokey.

Of course, this is Lost, and something that makes that much sense can't possibly be the case.

[Edited on February 4, 2010 at 11:46 AM. Reason : :]

2/4/2010 11:45:26 AM

^ i like this theory quite a bit actually. don't know how plausible it is, but i think it would be cool all the same.

2/4/2010 12:04:15 PM

^^ i like that idea as well.

2/4/2010 12:08:26 PM

ok...nevermind i see what you're getting at.


you aren't saying that Sayid will necessarily want to kill the MiB, but only that he may be the only one with the ability to do so.

[Edited on February 4, 2010 at 12:09 PM. Reason : add]

2/4/2010 12:08:35 PM

define 'in control of the island'

2/4/2010 12:52:46 PM

Maybe who is in control of something in the statue area, like the statue itself.

Since he burned Jacob on the fire, maybe thats how "control" is transferred.

2/4/2010 1:02:15 PM

i don't know bout the rest of that theory, but in my mind while watching it i thought it was pretty obvious that the spring being murky was a result of Jacobs death

2/4/2010 1:03:56 PM

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"^^Jack never wanted a pen in the pilot... it was something boone came up with and jack let him go for it to get him out of his way."

hmm. guess i never realized that. guess in timeline B he may have actually needed it.

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"could your take a look and see if either of them are wearing wedding rings?"

didn't look like they were from what i could tell.

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"I read a theory about the healing spring/Sayid that actually makes a lot of sense. The spring is clear when Jacob is in control of the island, and murky when Smokey is in control. Anyone who gets resuscitated by the spring gains some kind of affinity to whoever is in control at the time, and is capable of harming/killing them. Ben got saved by the Spring when he was a boy, and was able to kill Jacob. Sayid got healed by the Spring now, and will be the one to kill Smokey."

the only issue i have with this would be that MiB would have to know sayid would travel back in time and shoot ben, giving him this alleged ability. i guess it's possible since jacob somehow knew that jin had seen the hole leading into the temple with rousseau's team back in 1988, but that's assuming MiB would have the same ability to know those kinds of things as jacob. i think MiB got information about ben from locke's memories and knew that he'd be able to manipulate ben into killing jacob by pushing the right buttons. my guess is that anyone but MiB could've killed jacob, but ben was the only one he could convince considering ben's history (or lack thereof) with jacob.

2/4/2010 1:28:30 PM

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"i don't know bout the rest of that theory, but in my mind while watching it i thought it was pretty obvious that the spring being murky was a result of Jacobs death"

Yeah, i had the same feeling. Not exactly why you mentioned it, just saying i agree.

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"Maybe who is in control of something in the statue area, like the statue itself. Since he burned Jacob on the fire, maybe thats how "control" is transferred."

Obviously this is all speculation and this could be unrelated; but i'm pretty sure that after Jacob was dead, MiB went over and cut a piece of the tapestry off. -- I was a little unsure of why he did that.

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"the only issue i have with this would be that MiB would have to know sayid would travel back in time and shoot ben, giving him this alleged ability."

Are we sure that Ben on the original time-line was shot and taken to the temple? I'm not saying he wasn't. I just don't recall if adult ben has ever mentioned it. It seems things are definitely different on the two time-lines. So it's possible that ben was never shot on the original time-line, right?

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"i think MiB got information about ben from locke's memories and knew that he'd be able to manipulate ben into killing jacob by pushing the right buttons. my guess is that anyone but MiB could've killed jacob, but ben was the only one he could convince considering ben's history (or lack thereof) with jacob."

Ben had been "judged" by the smoke-monster a number at least once, if not multiple times. Actually, he last "judged" him just before he talked him into killing Jacob. It was also at that point that he told him to do everything Locke said. So he didn't really need locke's memories at all. He had access to all of Ben's memories. And everyone he ever "judged" or took the form of. I think Ben was just easy to manipulate because of his character and circumstances.

2/4/2010 1:59:53 PM

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"after Jacob was dead, MiB went over and cut a piece of the tapestry off. -- I was a little unsure of why he did that."

I thought he just cleaned the blood off his knife with it

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"Are we sure that Ben on the original time-line was shot and taken to the temple? I'm not saying he wasn't. I just don't recall if adult ben has ever mentioned it. It seems things are definitely different on the two time-lines. So it's possible that ben was never shot on the original time-line, right?"

Yes, Ben was shot in the original timeline, no doubt about that. I'm sure he never mentioned because he's Ben.

2/4/2010 2:11:00 PM

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"after Jacob was dead, MiB went over and cut a piece of the tapestry off. -- I was a little unsure of why he did that."

[quote]

yeah, at first i thought it might have had some significance too when he cut the piece off, but then it just showed him cleaning the knife with it

2/4/2010 2:26:10 PM

ahh, that's right. forgot he cleaned the blade with it.

2/4/2010 2:40:06 PM

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"Ben had been "judged" by the smoke-monster a number at least once, if not multiple times. Actually, he last "judged" him just before he talked him into killing Jacob. It was also at that point that he told him to do everything Locke said. So he didn't really need locke's memories at all. He had access to all of Ben's memories. And everyone he ever "judged" or took the form of. I think Ben was just easy to manipulate because of his character and circumstances. "

haha i have no idea how i forgot about that

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"Yes, Ben was shot in the original timeline, no doubt about that. I'm sure he never mentioned because he's Ben."

but there was that whole time travel conversation between hurley and miles in season 5 where hurley says something like, "if sayid shot ben as a kid then why didn't ben remember sayid when he met him in the future?" and miles says, "i never thought of that." i don't think it ever happened to ben originally. if it had, i don't think ben's dad would've continued to treat him like shit considering how upset and concerned he was about ben's injuries and the fact that he shoots sayid because sayid shot ben. in the flashback where the DI all get killed it's implied that ben's father continued to treat him badly for years and kept forgetting his son's birthday and what not up until he was 30 or so.

to me it's the same as faraday creating the memory for desmond, and it's also the same as whether or not rousseau would remember jin. i don't think there would be two instances of people on the island seeing people who had a significant impact on their past and either

1. not saying anything about it
2. having reactions that we didn't notice and continuing to remain silent anyway

maybe it's just a case of the writers getting sloppy, but i don't think any of those events actually occurred until sayid, jin, faraday, etc's presents. but maybe i'm forgetting previous posts that definitively state otherwise.

2/4/2010 2:52:04 PM

Rousseau is crazy

Ben is evil and manipulative

I don't have a problem imagining that they met Jin and Sayid 30 years ago

Did Ben and Sayid really interact that much before the freighter arrived? Didn't we already discuss this plenty last season?

2/4/2010 2:59:12 PM

sayid interrogated ben when he first showed up as Henry Gail/Gale... didn't he?

I really don't think there's anything that definitively suggests that the Ben on the original time-line was ever shot.

2/4/2010 3:19:13 PM

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"yeah, at first i thought it might have had some significance too when he cut the piece off, but then it just showed him cleaning the knife with it"

I know it doesn't make sense timeline wise, but just to double check... that wasn't the same piece of tapestry that was hung up in the abandoned cabin when Ilana and her team arrived there, was it? I remember they found a piece of tapestry with an image of the fertility statue (or whatever) and that's how they knew where to go next.

Sorry, I answered my own question, it's definitely not the same:
Khaki color tapestry from cabin:
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/lostpedia/images/c/ca/5x16-statue-cloth-in-Jacob-cabin.jpg

Red color tapestry from statue:
http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/8242682e2726fb78153ad5d11dd42499

[Edited on February 4, 2010 at 3:32 PM. Reason : nevermind.]

2/4/2010 3:24:04 PM

while we're on the topic, jacob also has a khaki colored tapestry.

Just looked at some photos of jacob's khaki tapestry though, it doesn't look like the statue is actually on his tapestry. At least not that I can see. So I guess jacob just sits around making tapestries all the time.

[Edited on February 4, 2010 at 3:50 PM. Reason : .]

2/4/2010 3:31:03 PM

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"sayid interrogated ben when he first showed up as Henry Gail/Gale... didn't he? I really don't think there's anything that definitively suggests that the Ben on the original time-line was ever shot."

i guess it's possible if ben was shot by sayid that he wouldn't say anything during that scene because he was trying to play himself off as henry gail and it wouldn't do him any good to be like "hey you shot me when i was a kid"

but there really isn't anything that would suggest ben was shot by sayid. i think jack et al just changed the circumstances that led to ben joining the others. originally it was ben's dad that drove him into meeting richard. the second time around it couldn't have been roger's fault since he became more attached to ben after he was shot. it didn't have to happen the same way just as long as it happened since ben became an other in the future.

2/4/2010 3:39:22 PM

we really don't know anything about the second time around. he was a kid, shot, and was taken to the temple then the bomb went off. We haven't seen him as an adult on that time-line (like we saw everyone on the plane). For all we know, he's dead.

2/4/2010 3:44:24 PM