^^ Him and Grimes are gonna grab a sixer and go hit golf balls at the zombies from the non-finished bridge...

11/29/2010 6:41:21 PM

I've heard way too much about WWZ, I throughly regret purchasing that book. It is poorly written and way to matter of factly states his questionable opinions on zombies, plus everyone knows he's jewish and he makes the book into the biggest piece of zionist propaganda I've ever seen.

11/29/2010 8:32:36 PM

wat

11/29/2010 11:05:05 PM

i aint trollin but i definately mad

11/29/2010 11:23:09 PM

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"I also didn't like that Merle's story has been set aside for now-with everything that happened last episode, I sort of expected some sort of follow up, but I suppose we'll have to wait."

agreed. maybe he'll go to the camp and find the note. But i expected him back at the camp before they left. I assumed he would at least go back for his brother (who he didn't know left the camp to look for him). I guess it would make sense that he may have gone somewhere to try to fix up his hand in some way.

11/29/2010 11:34:18 PM

i couldn't tell from the last couple of episodes, but are all the members of the group armed in someway? minus Rick's kid and the other children, but does each adult have a weapon? the reason i ask is because of the potential military hardware that could have been picked up outside the CDC.

also i'm a zombie noob, so forgive my question here. what causes them to be more active at night? this might've been explained in the show already but i don't remember. some character had mentioned that it'd be bad to be caught outside at night with the zombies around; so why any worse at night? just due to limited sight?

11/30/2010 9:44:32 AM

It's all different. Like how some vampires burn in the sunlight and others just sparkle.

Along the same lines, I always thought if you get the zombie blood on you, you were contaminated. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. You have to be bit? Wouldn't that make the spread of the zombie virus difficult to spread? I wouldn't think a global zombie outbreak would be possible unless it was some sort of airborne virus.






[Edited on November 30, 2010 at 9:50 AM. Reason : QQ]

11/30/2010 9:50:23 AM

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"France was the last country to hold out, but apparently fell at some point."

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"I find this amusing"

Probably because the second the outbreak was announced they ran and hid inside their houses instead of fighting the zombies.

On the topic of nighttime zombie activities, all I can think of is the decreased visibility at night... if you are in a city (obviously without street lights and stuff), unless it is a clear night you won't be able to see shit. Since a city is closed in there are a lot of hiding places for a zombie (which won't be relying on eyesight as much). If you are outside of the city in a wide open space you would have a better chance of discovering a zombie or hoard of zombies coming towards you.

I've never heard of getting infected just from stuff getting on your skin though. I've always heard that if it gets in your bloodstream you are infected... so any open wounds or in your mouth or eyes or something... obviously a bite would get it into your bloodstream. It all depends on how these zombies are defined though. In the first episode the guy that helped Rick said that you get some kind of virus that gives you a fever... the fever is what kills you but then you come back to life. Maybe the CDC guy will give some insight.

11/30/2010 10:12:46 AM

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"minus Rick's kid and the other children"

This is another point of curiosity for me. It's a recurring plot point in the comics that Carl gets a gun. I've been wondering if that was a little too politically incorrect (or just controversial) to be shown on TV, even though in the first episode Morgan stated that he was going to give his son a gun and teach him how to use it properly.

11/30/2010 10:22:41 AM

But what causes the fever? I don't think the black man's wife was ever bit. But Jim was.


I bet they run into Jim later as a zombie and he kills someone in their group.

11/30/2010 10:23:06 AM

zombies are more dangerous at night because they don't use eyesight to sense fresh meat, whereas humans are limited.

not saying it's the case here, but in some zombie-canon, they actually become more sensitive/active at night (a la Dead Rising)

ha, and when andrea shot her sister, i thought to myself "glad she didn't get any blood in her mouth"

11/30/2010 10:29:52 AM

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"I've never heard of getting infected just from stuff getting on your skin though. I've always heard that if it gets in your bloodstream you are infected... so any open wounds or in your mouth or eyes or something... obviously a bite would get it into your bloodstream. It all depends on how these zombies are defined though. In the first episode the guy that helped Rick said that you get some kind of virus that gives you a fever... the fever is what kills you but then you come back to life. Maybe the CDC guy will give some insight."

Very interested in the show's explanation for this as well. It's really ambiguous in the books. There's one instance early on where it's shown that a person can die from something other than a zombie attack but will still come back as a zombie. My guess is that the survivors are immune to any kind of airborne spread, but anybody would be susceptible to direct contact.

11/30/2010 10:30:30 AM

ooo that's right, i forgot about people coming back after dying, even after not being bitten in the book.

in the book, the cause of the zombies doesn't seem to be of interest to kirkman.. he's more about the people surviving day-to-day.. that's why i was intrigued with the introduction of CDC-man

11/30/2010 11:11:07 AM

This is so obvious that I hesitate to even bring it up, but I believe that the CDC guy is going to infect one of the group with the zombie virus so he can study them. I hope I'm wrong just because it is such an obvious plot vehicle for a cliffhanger for next season. I also believe that they run into Jim again and they are going to have to kill him and it'll be all sad and stuff.

Obvious plot lines are obvious.

11/30/2010 11:53:29 AM

^ Or good ol' Merle runs into their convoy outside the CDC, recognizes the vehicles, and then proceeds to cause trouble...that may be a bit far fetched though.

11/30/2010 12:05:50 PM

^^ or maybe they go back to jim because they know he's fresh infected

11/30/2010 12:08:52 PM

How hard is it to just capture some bumbling zombie for research?

11/30/2010 12:27:28 PM

Its not about just getting a zombie, its about getting a zombie thay hasnt decayed. I think whay it means is a recently turned zombie. I would assume that most of the zombies walking around have been so for a long time and have decayed.

11/30/2010 1:52:09 PM

I got the impression that his precious samples that burned up weren't zombie brains, but normal healthy brains he was observing the effects of the zombie virus on.

Maybe next episode he'll want to get some new fresh brain tissue from one of the survivors...

11/30/2010 2:01:46 PM

I like the series, but you really have to suspend all belief to follow this, way beyond the simple existance of zombies in the first place...

How it is groups of people didnt band together, build large walls around towns, and build little civilizations away from the zombies until the zombies could all be killed? It seems like a few days of medium group effort would make a zombie free zone pretty easy.

11/30/2010 2:05:08 PM

^ we've only seen a very small subset of the population..

it's very possible that there are groups of people still out there that survived in a similar manner.

but yea, can't think _too_ much into this stuff

11/30/2010 2:33:07 PM

11/30/2010 2:36:21 PM

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"How it is groups of people didnt band together, build large walls around towns, and build little civilizations away from the zombies until the zombies could all be killed? It seems like a few days of medium group effort would make a zombie free zone pretty easy."

Not to devolve this into another thread like the one in chit chat, but the whole idea is that the virus struck fast, overwhelmed the population base, and left everything in disarray. The last episode showed a bit of what you're talking about (with the group housed at the nursing home), but you're giving a little too much credit to the organizational abilities of humans in crisis in general. Most people probably flipped their shit and panicked, and groups that did band together (such as the one in this series) are still just as susceptible to mistakes/attacks/etc.

Creating a "zombie free" zone isn't the one and only step to solving the entire problem. You've got supply issues that will likely force survivors outside of the "zone," thus increasing the potential for attack. There's also the issue of zombies eventually finding your zone in their never ending quest for sweet, sweet brain juice, surrounding it, and then making it quite difficult to do anything but exist in your chosen location.

The series represents a very plausible take on what could've happened. Obviously this isn't a show about the general world situation, so you're only exposed to what the writers choose to show you. So far, I think there have been elements of what you're talking about here and there though.

11/30/2010 2:38:22 PM

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"It is poorly written and way to matter of factly states his questionable opinions on zombies, plus everyone knows he's jewish and he makes the book into the biggest piece of zionist propaganda I've ever seen."

Wow.

I'll freely admit that his writing doesn't capture how people actually talk, but the overall story was solid.

And "Zionist propaganda"? Because of one, maybe two chapters -- chapters which deal with Israel inviting all of the Palestinians back and then shooting the Orthodox Jews? I...I don't even know what to say. It's basically the exact opposite of Zionist propaganda. It describes a situation in which Israel abandons the notion of a Jewish state.

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"How it is groups of people didnt band together, build large walls around towns, and build little civilizations away from the zombies until the zombies could all be killed? It seems like a few days of medium group effort would make a zombie free zone pretty easy."

There seems to be a common formula here:

1) Zombie outbreak starts
2) Government sets up safe zones
3) Some glaring incompetence on the government's part exposes the safe zone to attack ("government incompetence" should not require too much suspension of disbelief)
4) Safe zone collapses

Most of the people left were either on their way to the safe zone or they're fleeing it, so in neither case are they likely to be particularly well-supplied or familiar enough with the area to adequately fortify it.

This pattern gets used a lot, but it's probably the best and simplest way to explain how the devastation could be so total.

And, as DoeoJ and and Boondock pointed out, we've really only followed this one group, so for all we know there are plenty of little holdouts and forts around the country.

11/30/2010 3:03:09 PM

It'd take a few days to put up a chain link fence around a few houses.

11/30/2010 4:25:47 PM

Lost vs. Walking Dead is a stretch. A lot of those points could be said about lots of shows or are just irrelevant to the plot in general.

11/30/2010 5:15:30 PM

I disagree. It was clear from the second episode that they were trying to make a Lost-type of show.

I give this show a 2/10 so far. will watch the season finale just because but I can't see sticking around for another season.

11/30/2010 5:25:57 PM

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"It was clear from the second episode that they were trying to make a Lost-type of show."

The similarities with Lost are superficial at best, and even if it was really similar to Lost what exactly would be the problem with that? Lost wasn't a perfect show by any means (what show is?), but it was still engrossing for much of it's run and had some great character moments and occasionally brilliant storytelling.

11/30/2010 5:38:05 PM

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"Along the same lines, I always thought if you get the zombie blood on you, you were contaminated. But that doesn't seem to be the case here. You have to be bit? Wouldn't that make the spread of the zombie virus difficult to spread? I wouldn't think a global zombie outbreak would be possible unless it was some sort of airborne virus."

We talked about this a little in the earlier pages. In a normal situation, biting wouldn't be an effective way for a disease to quickly spread. If the flu was transmitted through biting, we really wouldn't have to worry about it because not many people go around biting people (especially not breaking skin). But keep in mind that this particular virus causes the carrier to want to bite people. Biting people is pretty much the sole purpose of a zombie's existence. Attack by biting is way up in a world with zombies.

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"But what causes the fever? I don't think the black man's wife was ever bit. But Jim was. "

I thought he said she was scratched or something. I'm not certain though. Either way, the virus causes the fever. And from the previews, it looks like it may be possible to carry the virus without changing. The CDC guy wanted to test all of them. It could be a ploy to infect one or more of them for research. It could be that some of them are carriers. Which may cause them to become a zombie after they die of other causes. Or maybe some are immune but still carriers.

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"Or good ol' Merle runs into their convoy outside the CDC, recognizes the vehicles, and then proceeds to cause trouble...that may be a bit far fetched though."

I don't think that's far fetched at all. I would think sooner or later Merle is going to return to the camp looking for his brother and maybe the others. Rick left a note saying where they were going with a map and a car at the camp. It's very possible that Merle finds the note and heads to the CDC.

11/30/2010 5:45:55 PM

then morgan shows up and shoots the shit out of merle and/or zombie jim

11/30/2010 11:52:09 PM

takes care of merle, gets morgan back in the picture... what better way to wrap everything up!

11/30/2010 11:56:55 PM

Did the main guy ever tell the other people about the helicopter/airplane that he saw?

12/1/2010 12:20:42 AM

Yes, but the camp says he was seeing things and just like the grenade, it was dropped and never heard of again.

12/1/2010 12:31:06 AM

Deadline is reporting showrunner Frank Darabont has decided to forgo the writing staff that worked on the 6-episode first season of "The Walking Dead." This includes the departure of Darabont's longtime wingman Charles Eglee, who also served as exec-producer on the first season. For season number two, Darabont will hire freelance writers on a script by script basis, a model that has seemingly worked in the U.K., namely with the series "Tourchwood."

While writing staffs for TV can often be fluid, ridding a series of an entire writing staff altogether is definitely unusual. With a leap from 6 to the 13 episodes next season (expected next Fall), here's to hoping Darabont again proves he knows what he's doing. Then again, being so adroit at writing himself (he wrote the first two episodes of the series, and has co-written/re-written every since), I'm sure he does!

http://www.joblo.com/arrow/index.php?id=25386

12/1/2010 8:57:12 AM

wow that's really interesting news. i guess he hasn't been too happy with the way things have gone thus far, wants to take the show in a slightly different direction. that could be good or bad, will have to see. sucks we have to wait a whole damn year tho

12/1/2010 9:21:41 AM

I couldnt even get through the first episode of torchwood

12/1/2010 11:43:29 AM

good move by Darabont. the writing can't possibly get any worse than it was this season so I look forward to seeing what new guys can do with it. a quick search on twitter shows that a lot of people agree

RT @tombreihan Please god let The Walking Dead finally get some good writers. That show went from great to bullshit in two episodes.

RT @twolinepass hahahaha frank darabont fired the ENTIRE walking dead writing staff. maybe because he realized it was the worst-written show on television.

12/1/2010 12:00:14 PM

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"a quick search on twitter..."

This will also reveal a great deal of retards.

Odd move, but if they stick to the October 2011 premiere date, they've got plenty of time to work out any kinks.

12/1/2010 12:11:01 PM

BoondockSt, it should be evident at this point that you are the retard.

Many people told you how awful the show was getting. And you acted like there was a problem with us, like somehow we just didn't understand the direction it was going. You even told us to quit watching the show cause we'd never have any hope of enjoying it.

And now they can the entire writing staff and all you got is, "Odd move?"

It's not that odd of a move...firing people who suck is kinda normal.

12/1/2010 12:52:33 PM

the difference, bridget, is that others even though they say they dont like the show, are contributing to discussion.

you're just posting garbage, which isnt out of the norm for you.

so unless you DO have something to contribute, why not try shutting the fuck up for once?

12/1/2010 12:55:00 PM

I, too, think that the show's writing and plots have gone down hill since the first two episodes. I think this will be a good move in the long run. Second seasons are what normally make or break a good show.

12/1/2010 1:07:44 PM

^^Why are you talking about a "difference?"

BoondockSt has been overly defensive of this show with everybody who criticizes it, not just me. To be clear, I'm not confused by his response to me. I'm confused by his basic ability to appropriately respond to information in general.

If you'd like me to contribute, I will share just a few bits of what was so awful about the recent episodes:

The writers were basically like, "Oh shit, we gotta develop theses characters and their relationship. Let's stick them in a boat and have them talk about fishing with their dad for a while. Oh yeah, we're so smart and subtle!!!" And then they were like, "I bet people are gonna have questions about how and why Merle chopped his hand off. Hey, let's just have the characters themselves answer those questions explicitly--TELL, DON'T SHOW! We can have them say stuff like, It looks like he couldn't cut through this chain so he had to cut through his hand. and He must've applied some sort of tourniquet. And let's have them repeatedly talk about how much blood Merle has lost, how serious the injury is, and how he couldn't have gotten far."

And, oh God, the holes thing. "Now I remember what my dream was about. Now I remember why I dug all those holes."



And, Lokken, unless you have something to contribute about the show, why don't you try shutting the fuck up? Seriously though, why you are so mad at me?

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12/1/2010 1:27:06 PM

If people are going to get killed off as fast as they are in the comics, there is really no need for much character development. But this show has already proven that it doesn't give a shit about honoring the comics much.

12/1/2010 1:31:34 PM

The firing of the entire writing staff gives me hope for the new season. This group was obviously in over their heads. I guess I'll suffer through the finale and wait until the fall.

12/1/2010 1:33:50 PM

BridgetSPK lost any credibility on the subject of character development when she called Van Alden on Boardwalk Empire a well-developed and fascinating character.

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"RT @twolinepass hahahaha frank darabont fired the ENTIRE walking dead writing staff. maybe because he realized it was the worst-written show on television."

All you need to do to realize this is false is turn on CBS, doesn't really matter what time it is or what show is on.

12/1/2010 1:54:21 PM

We're not talking about character development. We're talking about this show blatantly taking a turn for the worse, and people defending it irrationally--loving something so much that you're willing to let it suck.

Also, I never said that Van Alden was a well-developed character. I said he was complex and fascinating. So bite me.

12/1/2010 2:10:38 PM

12/1/2010 2:13:35 PM

Dude, you think people don't read your posts on here? I specifically avoided saying his character was well-developed cause I didn't want to get an obnoxious lecture about TV from you. Sure, you could argue that complex characters must be well-developed. But then I can claim that I didn't mean "complex" in that way.

12/1/2010 2:23:52 PM

So you've already played this argument out in your head and lost? Fine by me.

12/1/2010 2:28:45 PM

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"The firing of the entire writing staff gives me hope for the new season."

agreed.

i'm much more excited about the show now. again, i think the show idea was great, the execution was totally poor (after the first 2 episodes anyway). i really hope the next group can do something with it. because i think the basic premise of the show has potential...but not with the current group. now maybe it will have renewed potential. please to be better next year, thanks.

12/1/2010 2:34:53 PM