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Nobody did anything wrong in this situation.

Wilson was looking out for his own future when he decided to play spring baseball. When that didn't work out like he hoped he gave Football one more shot. Instead of coming as the backup he wanted to impress scouts as much as possible so he chose a great team playing a pro style offense with plenty of weapons.

Glennon wants a shot to play in the NFL one day, to do that he needs to play football. I don't know what he was told when being recruited but I'm sure it wasn't "You'll have to be here 5 years and only get one year as a starter." He would have transferred if he wasn't the starter.

TOB is looking out for the team both now and in the future. There was a good chance that Wilson wasn't coming back at all, and if he didn't name Glennon the starter he would have transfered. Then if Wilson ended up playing baseball instead of college football we would be left with nobody but Brosius. "One in the hand is better than two in the bush" isn't a relevant quote because Wilson wasn't "in the hand" at the time the decision was made.

The press will probably misinterpret the situation to make us look bad, but what else is new right?

9/2/2011 12:24:42 PM

well put. There isn't a villain in this situation and there's no point harboring bad feelings about it.

I just wonder, if Wilson thrives and impresses and manages to end up in the NFL, what college he'll be credited from.

/ that's a big if though, his size will work against him but his decision making and throwing ability might make up for it.

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 12:28 PM. Reason : /]

9/2/2011 12:25:21 PM

Obiously he will be remembered for Wisconsin since his NC State tenure isn't what gave him strong NFL stock. But he still graduated from State, so he isn't completely seperated from us.

9/2/2011 12:35:44 PM

Its like having an amicable separation from a girlfriend.


Except in this case we have to watch videos of her fucking her new boyfriend who has a much bigger cock

9/2/2011 12:44:47 PM

its motherfucking Groundhog Day

9/2/2011 12:50:14 PM

Oh sorry did someone already say that? I'm needlenose nedding it.

Well id love to stay and chat but I'm not going to.

9/2/2011 1:01:29 PM

^^^^I would hope he still has pride in NC State and appreciates the opportunity. He wasn't that highly recruited out of high school (i know NCSU and Duke offered him, but not sure about others), and many schools wouldn't allow him to play both sports. NCSU gave him that chance and worked with him so he didn't have to sacrifice either, until this past off season where a lot of other factors and RW's own uncertainty became obstacles.

9/2/2011 1:12:39 PM

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"Its like having an amicable separation from a girlfriend. Except in this case we have to watch videos of her fucking her new boyfriend who has a much bigger cock "

Yep ... and having a new girlfriend who looks pretty hot, but has yet to put out.

9/2/2011 1:18:05 PM

and everyone you see stops you on the street and makes fun of you for abusing her and dumping her, despite it being untrue

9/2/2011 2:16:09 PM

These last few posts have been both... hysterical and accurate.

Not often you get both of those at the same time on TWW.

Well played.

9/2/2011 2:22:42 PM

btw I don't know if its just me but that crowd was awfully quiet for 70,000 people

9/2/2011 2:25:28 PM

It was 1,000,000 to nothing... CF is quiet too when blowing up an opponent.

9/2/2011 2:26:30 PM

packboozie

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"This argument will be moot and dead when we win 10 games this year."

if your prediction comes true
i will personally buy you a round of whatever you want.

9/2/2011 2:36:32 PM

One drink!?

SHIT JUST GOT REAL

9/2/2011 2:53:34 PM

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"ncstatetke All American 31766 Posts user info edit post intelligent discussion only, please 9/1/2011 9:18:28 PM ncstatetke All American 31766 Posts user info edit post there's absolutely no reason this should get locked or trashbinned and no, this doesn't belong in the RW for Heisman thread 9/1/2011 9:19:19 PM TreeTwista10 GatorDontPlayNoShit 98895 Posts user info edit post the fans always loved Russell, for one thing also some coaches coach places for 10, 20, 30 plus years...nobody plays more than 4 years of college ball...except Evtimov 9/1/2011 9:20:30 PM ncstatetke All American 31766 Posts user info edit post and chris cLOLmer 9/1/2011 9:21:27 PM j_sun All American 8546 Posts user info edit post It's cause he's black right 9/1/2011 9:22:01 PM evlbuxmbetty All American 2240 Posts user info edit post i was expecting a really good punchline thread does not deliver 9/1/2011 9:22:05 PM ncsuapex All American 28041 Posts user info edit post Herb can't run 46 yards for a TD. 9/1/2011 9:24:20 PM TreeTwista10 GatorDontPlayNoShit 98895 Posts user info edit post Herb can't get a team to score 46 points in a game 9/1/2011 9:25:00 PM cptinsano All American 1784 Posts user info edit post Herb is white so you're not racist for criticizing him 9/1/2011 9:25:21 PM ncstatetke All American 31766 Posts user info edit post don't turn this into Chit Chat or it'll get locked 9/1/2011 9:25:47 PM The E Man All American 2223 Posts user info edit post herb aint shit and russell wilson is for starters wilson was always great but herb was just average herb wasn't fired 9/1/2011 9:30:21 PM AxlBonBach All American 43810 Posts user info edit post Herb couldn't take the heat so he got out of the kitchen. With Russell, he simply couldn't make up his mind, and TOB decided it was time to move on. So, they are not alike in any way other than their previous affiliation with our beloved University. 9/1/2011 9:30:28 PM The E Man All American 2223 Posts user info edit post the better question is...what's the difference between TOB and Herb??? [Edited on September 1, 2011 at 9:31 PM. Reason : herb didn't cut hodge] 9/1/2011 9:31:30 PM packboozie All American 14040 Posts user info edit post No but when a problem arose he told Damien Wilkins and his dad/uncle to fuck off. Which by the way, was also the right move. 9/1/2011 9:32:43 PM dmspack All American 2315 Posts user info edit post RW is black...and has hair 9/1/2011 9:36:43 PM ncsuapex All American 28041 Posts user info edit post You can smoke herb? 9/1/2011 9:38:45 PM ncstatetke All American 31766 Posts user info edit post 19-17 isn't great and RW left on his own accord 9/1/2011 9:39:57 PM The E Man All American 2223 Posts user info edit post TOB is BC's Herb and we are the football arizona state basketball. The more I think about it the more it makes sense considering bc sucks ass right now and we are average 9/1/2011 9:40:33 PM willembahh Veteran 141 Posts user info edit post Herb can't throw an interception? 9/1/2011 9:43:27 PM packboozie All American 14040 Posts user info edit post ^^Someone suspend this clown already 9/1/2011 9:48:03 PM titans78 All American 2426 Posts user info edit post ^^^Totally bro. 9/1/2011 10:13:57 PM simonn we bros. 24183 Posts user info edit post i'm all for suspending that dude, but if you don't think the herb: tob analogy is a good one you're just being a homer. it's like... exactly the same. but i came in here to say that the fact that this thread has not been locked is embarrassing. 9/1/2011 10:50:32 PM ActionPants All American 6832 Posts user info edit post Quote : "THE FOOTBALL ARIZONA STATE BASKETBALL" 9/1/2011 10:56:03 PM cptinsano All American 1784 Posts user info edit post this thing just keeps going. thought locked for sure. [Edited on September 1, 2011 at 11:06 PM. Reason : .] 9/1/2011 11:05:33 PM simonn we bros. 24183 Posts user info edit post ^ before the edit he said something about how TOB didn't "disappear after one good season". well not in that regard. just in the way that they left and joined their respective programs. [Edited on September 1, 2011 at 11:07 PM. Reason : .] 9/1/2011 11:06:42 PM justinh524 All American 3005 Posts user info edit post one got ran off by fans, one got ran off by a backup and a coach. 9/1/2011 11:23:14 PM hey now Rolo Tony Brown Town 5500 Posts user info edit post There's no video of Herb flip fucking a white girl with sneakers on. 9/1/2011 11:24:15 PM NyM410 J-E-T-S 38331 Posts user info edit post Intelligent discussion isn't possible in such a vapid thread. I'm not even sure there is a single valid comparison that could be made and this thread will do nothing but serve as a place to troll and hate on people who gave a lot to our school. 9/2/2011 8:01:33 AM"

9/2/2011 2:57:17 PM

lol. this thread is exactly what makes us 'ncstate'

9/2/2011 3:10:38 PM

What makes me NC State is that I attended school there, as did my brother and my dad. I don't believe in superstions, like NC State Shit. I think TOB made the right decision. And I hope RW has a good season at Wisconsin (although I must admit, it was tough seeing him have a great game last night. I think I would have been happier if he just had a good game. But it was UNLV, they're not all going to be that easy.

9/2/2011 3:25:15 PM

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"someone said it eariler in this thread but i'll restate. theres no way a good coach lets a guy like wilson go. no way. you run a 2 qb system if you have to."

how can you run a 2QB system when your other QB leaves because you don't treat him fairly? stupid fuck

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"i just don't understand how, without practicing with Wisconsin at spring practice, Wilson has this type of chemistry when dealing with these new receivers"

It's actually simple: RW came in and was the saviour at Wisconsin, whereas here, he was a big question mark. He makes a commitment at Wisc and immediately comes in and practices. Here, he dilly dallies around and doesn't come to practice. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out.

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"Somehow he joined a team in the fall and he looks better than Philip Rivers."

I could probably look like Philip Rivers against UNLV with Wisconsin's o-line

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"and it should cost him his job if we don't go to a bowl."

yes, making the best decision you can make should cost you your job when dealing with a fuckin pussy that wants to have everything his way.

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"That and no QBs would ever want to come here again."

How do you figure? It would seem that being fair to people who actually show the fuck up to practice and commit to the program would be a pretty big sell to any recruit.

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"But when said QB does commit to playing again there's no law saying you can't give him the nod."

That's great. he never fucking committed when it mattered. And he paid the price for it. That's damn good coaching, expecting your players to commit to the program.

9/2/2011 3:46:21 PM

maybe i'm just remembering the string of events wrong, but i don't recall wilson ever committing to play football for us at all, much less when it mattered. as i recall he was playing baseball, thinking about coming back, transferring. that's it. there was never a time where he said "i want to come play football full time" and TOB said "nothx". that just didn't happen.

edit: you know what, i know that's true b/c i remember saying when he asked to transfer that it didn't matter b/c the rockies would never let him play another season of football. didn't know he was ready to leave TWO teams.

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 4:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2011 4:08:34 PM

He broke up with YOU, you faggots.

9/2/2011 4:12:43 PM

Hey Bullet. Cool story bro. So did me and my dad and my brother. Actually multiple brothers

I guess my ncstate internet fan dick is bigger than yours now again sorry.

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 4:16 PM. Reason : z]

9/2/2011 4:15:46 PM

i don't get it. stop being a pack_bryan, pack_bryan

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 4:27 PM. Reason : V please? stop?]

9/2/2011 4:17:34 PM

Bullet I didn't mean to make you angry Bullet
I'm very sorry Bullet
I didn't mean to make you angry Bullet
But this is what you said in response to me Bullet.

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"What makes me NC State is that I attended school there, as did my brother and my dad"

Sorry again Bullet I'm very sorry Bullet that I hurt your feelings

9/2/2011 4:20:24 PM

Wilson wanted to come back around the end of spring and be the starter.

TOB said maybe, but Glennon would def be starting and Wilson would be the backup, since Glennon had been there all spring.

Wilson said fuck that noise, you won't even let us compete to see who's better? Hell no, I'm going to a better team.

Wilson ended up at Wisconsin.

We'll see at the end of the year if it was the best choice.

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 4:23 PM. Reason : enough of this bullshit revisionist history guise]

9/2/2011 4:22:22 PM

^ not so much. Wilson wanted to come back whenever, not "around the end of spring". How the hell was he gonna come back "around the end of spring" when he was playing baseball? He wanted to come back in august and be guaranteed the starting spot, and TOB said "fuck that".

9/2/2011 5:15:53 PM

hopefully glennon makes a couple plays this week and next and puts this thread in the cellar.

9/2/2011 5:19:01 PM

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"He broke up with YOU, you faggots."

it's true, and everyone thinks we broke up w/ him. but our secret is that we wanted it too.

9/2/2011 5:20:23 PM

Motherfucker is not here, and won't be here.

9/2/2011 5:21:52 PM

Everyone in this thread was in the room when RW and TOB talked about this season. I didn't get an invite

9/2/2011 5:26:06 PM

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"TOB said maybe, but Glennon would def be starting and Wilson"

TOB never named anyone anything, just said that there would be a competition

At least that's what he said he said

Now back to everyone freaking the fuck out

9/2/2011 5:30:27 PM

9/2/2011 5:46:37 PM

You are looking live

At all the Tostitos

Partner

9/2/2011 5:51:11 PM

sorry i didn't read the last page, but the previous page someone said this...

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"Russell was told he'd have to fight for the starting gig. He didn't like that. They parted ways. DONE. "

totally wrong. he's "fought" for the gig every year and won it. the problem is that this year TOB said that Glennon WOULD BE the starter, and it wouldn't be a fair fight. so rw bounced, b/c he wasn't going to be given a fair shot at the starting spot.

9/2/2011 5:57:17 PM

ohmy has got it right. thats why so many of us were so irate over the whole situation.

9/2/2011 6:01:09 PM

It was UNLV, but RW is already putting himself in this history books. Last night, he set the Wisconsin school records for most yards in a game by a single player.

It wasn't just a good performance against a cupcake. It was a Wisconsin player's best performance ever against a cupcake.

At Wisconsin, barring injury, he's going to do as well as a human being can possibly do in 1 season.


^ Yep. The venerable JamesHenderson on packpride, the guy who is usually trustworthy and conservative wrt reporting rumors, said that TOB flat out told RW that he would not be able to compete for the start if he came back in the fall when RW approached him and said he wanted to come back.

All the people who assumed that TOB acted in good faith are now being proved wrong with the little bits of information that are actually coming out from as good a source as we can get.

TOB's decision had nothing to do with RW being undecided about football and had everything to do with favoritism for Glennon. Glennon transferring was the lesser evil compared to Wilson transferring. If that stuck us with Brosius next year, whose fault is it for not recruiting a QB between Glennon and Brosius? Second of all, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush. It's stupid to give up a guy who you know will be good this year for someone who you are unsure about next year. That's bad risk evaluation.

This whole thing only logically makes sense as a total cover-your-ass operation by TOB. Just bad decision-making and poor leadership.

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 6:11 PM. Reason : .]

9/2/2011 6:02:09 PM

7 months of this bullshit and people are still ridiculously wrong

9/2/2011 6:06:40 PM

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"Last night, he set the Wisconsin school records for most yards in a game by a single player. "

This is not true

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 6:07 PM. Reason : Most Yards Game: 416, Darrell Bevell vs. Minnesota, 10/23/1993]

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 6:08 PM. Reason : Wilson was 100 yards short]

9/2/2011 6:06:54 PM

I could see longest single rushing td by a qb at Wisconsin record, maybe

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 6:10 PM. Reason : or maybe if you're projecting yards for when he wasn't taking snaps :/]

9/2/2011 6:09:14 PM

hahahah, I love it when people make up stats assuming no one will ever check it

9/2/2011 6:13:42 PM

Well, my bad on that. Repeating what the ESPN announcer said.

9/2/2011 6:13:47 PM

Top 10:

Yards
1. Tyler Donovan vs. Illinois, 10/6/2007 419
2. Darrell Bevell vs. Minnesota, 10/23/1993 416
3. Ron Vander Kelen vs. USC, 1/1/1963 406
4. Tony Lowery vs. Northwestern, 10/20/1990 395
5. Jim Sorgi vs. Michigan State, 11/15/2003 367
6. John Stocco vs. Northwestern, 10/8/2005 352
7. Randy Wright vs. Purdue, 11/12/1983 346
8. Ron Dayne vs. Hawaii, 11/30/1996 339
9. Randy Wright vs. Iowa, 11/5/1983 334
10. Darrell Bevell vs. Iowa, 11/18/1995 331
Brooks Bollinger vs. Minnesota, 11/4/2000 331

[Edited on September 2, 2011 at 6:14 PM. Reason : Don't ask me why there's a different #1, ask the UW media guide]

9/2/2011 6:14:07 PM

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"b/c he wasn't going to be given a fair shot at the starting spot."

he wasn't given a shot because he wasn't at practice, and wouldn't say if or when he was coming back. sheesh.

9/2/2011 6:15:11 PM

skokiaan is now just a parody of himself

9/2/2011 6:15:46 PM

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"Just bad decision-making and poor leadership."

YOU ARE FROM THE FUTURE!!

9/2/2011 6:16:32 PM

he did set a personal record for longest carry last night.

9/2/2011 6:30:41 PM

Glennon also said that while he was ranked among the five best prep quarterbacks in the country by ESPN, Rivals and Scout, O'Brien never promised him a starting job during his recruitment.

"It was always, 'The best man will play,' and I don't think he's ever changed that," Glennon said. "His word is his word, that's who he is."



Read more: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/09/02/2572321/glennon-wants-to-take-control.html#ixzz1WpxanIJv


I believe O'Brien and his word today that Glennon is among the best of any QB he has ever coached. He is a long term investment compared to 1 more season with Wilson.

C'mon Glennon... you'll 65k strong behind you every saturday you play at home.

9/2/2011 6:33:07 PM

The big payout with Glennon is in 2012 guys. Just be patient.

9/2/2011 6:33:43 PM

Hmmmmm People actually buying that we are better off this season starting Glennon over who we would have started RW. Interesting concept...lets watch this play out.


III

9/2/2011 6:57:05 PM

^

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"this season"

i said the real payout is 2012.

1 thing that is absolutely positively known is that 2012 will be a better season at ncstate b/c Glennon will have a year of experience behind him.

9/2/2011 7:12:20 PM

glennon never said he would transfer so you can't play that card. the only card you can play is that wilson is not here this year.

9/2/2011 7:13:51 PM