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9/10/2015 5:20:33 PM

Since no one ever reads the 499th post

Have not ready it yet

EXCLUSIVE: 50 SPIES SAY ISIS INTELLIGENCE WAS COOKED

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/09/09/exclusive-50-spies-say-isis-intelligence-was-cooked.html

9/10/2015 10:27:15 PM

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"eyewall41: In addition to our invasion of Iraq leading to the eventual rise of ISIS, the conditions in Syria which brought about the civil war stemmed from an unprecedented decade long drought (no crops, no work). This may very well be the first climate change catastrophe."

Thanks for that, I did not know that.

Well guess what I stumbled upon today... an amazing comic that beautifully and simply explains how that happened.

http://yearsoflivingdangerously.tumblr.com/post/86898140738

A MUST SEE!!!

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"Trying to follow what is going on in Syria and why? This comic will get you there in 5 minutes. Wars are complex. They come out of nowhere and all of a sudden, people you've never heard of are killing each other on the evening news. Here's what you need to know about the war in Syria — and it's not oil or religion. It's something that we're all creating together."

9/11/2015 5:55:47 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/15/west-ignored-russian-offer-in-2012-to-have-syrias-assad-step-aside

US, UK, France fucked up

Russia was like, hey we can have Assad step aside, but the trio ignored it because they thought Assad was close to falling

9/15/2015 2:08:05 PM

^^Jesus H. Christ. are you really trying to tell me that the war in Syria, the rise of ISIS, etc etc is due to... global warming?

what a liberal crock of rotten dung-beetle-infested horse shit. . you need to stop reading so many trash-tabloid "news" sites.

9/15/2015 9:36:26 PM

^Rawr rawr they've been fighting since bc rawr rawr savages

9/15/2015 11:52:20 PM

^^ Is that trolling or are you dumb?

9/16/2015 9:14:20 AM

Forgive Smath74. Obesity is known to cause decreased blood flow to the brain, and there is strong negative correlation between obesity and intelligence (not making this up).

Years of Living Dangerously is not a "trash-tabloid "news" sites".

9/16/2015 12:12:55 PM

fix the rain...fix the world.

9/17/2015 9:35:28 AM

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"Russia was like, hey we can have Assad step aside, but the trio ignored it because they thought Assad was close to falling"

The war's never really been about Assad. It's about the Saudis and their allies attempting to overthrow an Iranian proxy in retaliation to Iranian actions where that has occurred in Iraq, Yemen, and a failed attempt in Bahrain. (and some more militant-minded sheiks funding the Sunni-affiliated Islamic State that's looking to completely redraw borders in Iraq and Syria-two states currently more in the Iranian sphere of influence)

The notion that Assad could be gone and another Alawite would sprout up to replace him servant to Iran as Assad was and all the rebels would drop arms is pure lunacy. It completely ignores the geopolitical reality of the region and who are funding the rebels. The conflict is not over one guy. The pan-Arabian Peninsula conflict was between Saudi Arabia and Iran determining who controlled the Middle East, and now the Turks and Russians have boots on the ground to join them.

[Edited on September 17, 2015 at 1:17 PM. Reason : /]

9/17/2015 1:13:48 PM

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"The war's never really been about Assad. It's about the Saudis and their allies attempting to overthrow an Iranian proxy in retaliation to Iranian actions where that has occurred in Iraq, Yemen, and a failed attempt in Bahrain. (and some more militant-minded sheiks funding the Sunni-affiliated Islamic State that's looking to completely redraw borders in Iraq and Syria-two states currently more in the Iranian sphere of influence) wanting the world to follow Islamic law."

9/17/2015 2:00:59 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/09/24/world/amanpour-yazidi-woman

Caucasian American ISIS commander in Syria claims to his Yazidi sex slave that he travels to the US frequently to visit his family in the US.

9/30/2015 1:56:42 AM

The only journalist to spend time inside ISIS is a 75 year old former German MP.

Ummm yeah, he has chilling things to tell:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/607737/ISIS-plan-Islamic-nuclear-holocaust-wipe-hundreds-millions-from-face-earth

He has written a book, but it is in German:

http://www.amazon.com/Inside-Tage-Islamischen-Staat-German-ebook/dp/B00TW888PK

9/30/2015 2:54:55 AM

Everybody read this article watch 12 min film

http://www.channel4.com/news/syria-children-of-the-caliphate-isis-amputation-evan-williams

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"Syria: child soldiers of the caliphate An exclusive film reveals how Isis in Syria and Iraq systematically recruits children as young as eight to become soldiers and suicide bombers, and exacts brutal punishment on those who defy them."

I can't find the video there, but it can be seen here:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3257260/They-cut-butcher-s-knife-Syrian-boy-14-describes-horrific-moment-ISIS-militant-dubbed-Bulldozer-hacked-HAND-FOOT-refused-join-terror-group.html

Plus you can watch a 3-yo behead a teddy bear with a massive knife

So fucked up.

10/3/2015 12:03:50 AM

Some of these headlines are so hypocritical, I have to take a 2nd look because they read like onion headlines.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/06/politics/u-s-treasury-isis-toyota/index.html

The U.S. is asking Toyota, how Isis got so many of their vehicles. The irony is that ISIS has a ton of vehicles equipment that was made by....the U.S

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"In a statement, the US, UK, Turkey and other coalition members said they would "only fuel more extremism"."

You just can't make this stuff up.

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"Obama: Russia heading for 'quagmire' in Syria"

orly? tell us more?

10/6/2015 6:32:22 PM

Am I un-american for hoping Russia plows in there and eradicates ISIS themselves, even if it means they just happen to take out some other rebel groups, and the US doesn't get credit?

Let someone else play world police for once...
save us $Billions...
I don't give a shit who the dictator of Syria is....
democracy and freedom obviously works so well in the middle east when the US plays kingdom maker, like how we did in Iraq....

10/6/2015 10:16:56 PM

can we just come home completely. you can no longer use the "somebody has to do it" excuse. afghanistan as well. Only bad things are happening. Let Russia and Iran become the great bankrupt satans.

10/6/2015 11:58:08 PM

Now the truth emerges: how the US fuelled the rise of Isis in Syria and Iraq
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/jun/03/us-isis-syria-iraq

Pentagon report predicted West’s support for Islamist rebels would create ISIS
https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/secret-pentagon-report-reveals-west-saw-isis-as-strategic-asset-b99ad7a29092

Here is the report:
http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/Pg.-291-Pgs.-287-293-JW-v-DOD-and-State-14-812-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

And now it is confirmed, Islamic State (ISIS) is a US creation
http://www.siasat.com/news/and-now-it-confirmed-islamic-state-isis-us-creation-813083/



And here is the best one:

Terror trial collapses after fears of deep embarrassment to security services
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/01/trial-swedish-man-accused-terrorism-offences-collapse-bherlin-gildo

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"The prosecution of a Swedish national accused of terrorist activities in Syria has collapsed at the Old Bailey after it became clear Britain’s security and intelligence agencies would have been deeply embarrassed had a trial gone ahead, the Guardian can reveal. His lawyers argued that British intelligence agencies were supporting the same Syrian opposition groups as he was, and were party to a secret operation providing weapons and non-lethal help to the groups, including the Free Syrian Army."

10/7/2015 2:29:39 AM

I'm personally all for sitting back and allowing Russia, Iran, Syria, Hezbolla, ISIS, Al Queda and pretty much everyone else who has been the bane of our existence expend money and recourses while slaughtering each other at the cyclic rate.

10/8/2015 1:55:03 PM

Does anyone else feel the irony that America is outrages that Russian missles missed the target and hit Iran by accident lol

BTW how do missles bound for Syria mistakenly land in Iran lol.

That's like the airplane taking off from NY to Chicago and accidentally landing in Cincinnati

10/8/2015 10:12:28 PM

iran says no missiles hit

[Edited on October 8, 2015 at 10:23 PM. Reason : irany]

10/8/2015 10:22:46 PM

^^ umm, they probably just fell short...some sort of failure caused them to not make it all the way. Probably shitty maintenance and old age.

10/8/2015 10:27:49 PM

what if isis is just the US trolling the middle east?

10/9/2015 9:40:39 AM

Its a brave new world and They're trying to lousitania Putin into a major conflict.

11/4/2015 8:14:09 PM

Take back Sinjar!

Go Kurdistan!

11/12/2015 6:55:22 PM

ISIS POW's should be killed on the spot. They should not be shown mercy or quarter as they would not do the same for our troops.

11/14/2015 8:27:10 PM

11/14/2015 8:29:24 PM

^hotlinking not allowed

11/14/2015 8:37:21 PM

Huh?

11/14/2015 10:14:16 PM

no one can see the shit you're posting everywhere

11/14/2015 10:30:48 PM

11/14/2015 11:59:10 PM

The phony solidarity from American conservatives is laughable. These are the same people that condemned France for opposing the Iraq invasion (Freedom Fries). Of course the Iraq war led to ISIS, the same ISIS responsible for attacking Paris. It looks like France was correct in their opposition.

11/15/2015 1:08:29 PM

^ This is the same France where worthless piece of shit Nicolas Sarkozy talked Obama into the U.S. doing their dirty work for them in Libya when we had no strategic interest there.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 8:10 AM. Reason : .]

11/16/2015 8:10:10 AM

11/16/2015 10:22:49 AM

Good Ole Donald Rumsfield!

If only there was a strong leader in Iraq to strike fear and compliance into all those Sand People, beating this shit out of any radicals before they can mobilize a strong following. OH wait Rumsfield, Cheney, Bush, and Co. took that guy out!

We need T-Shirts and MeMe's like the ones dumbasses have for George W....



[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 11:24 AM. Reason : a]

11/16/2015 11:12:55 AM

The refugee threat is overblown to me. Yes, it has a small chance of making it easier for a terrorist to embed themselves in and get in the country but the reality is criminals are going to be criminals no matter what laws and regulations are in place so why try and stop them. Am I right?

11/16/2015 12:22:00 PM

Obama unloaded on Jeb:

"When I hear political leaders suggesting that there would be a religious test for which a person who is fleeing from a war-torn country is admitted, when some of those folks themselves come from families who benefited from protection when they were fleeing political persecution, that's shameful, that's not American," Obama said. "That's not who we are. We don't have religious tests (for) our compassion."

11/16/2015 12:28:57 PM

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"The refugee threat is overblown to me."

I don't consider it overblown. Yes, it could be a fact of life if you're willing to accept refugees, but if you're an organization intent on doing actions like this as ISIS is, this mass widespread refugee movement into Western Europe provides a welcome cover to move your fighters into position. If I were an ISIS strategist, it's what I would do.

Hollande in his speech today called for greater control of the EU's external borders (the internal borders allow free movement of people via the Schengen Agreement and is considered one of the EU's foremost achievements for its citizens and businesses).

ISIS' latest promotional videos hailed the attacks of course while saying D.C. was next FWIW (per the BBC).

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 12:44 PM. Reason : /]

11/16/2015 12:33:16 PM

I agree with the blow-hard conservatives are on this.

I don't want the refugees here. We need to get Russia/EU/Arab-state alliance to mop-up this ISIS issue so that all the refugees can go back where they came from.

11/16/2015 12:46:47 PM

I was being sarcastic btw.

11/16/2015 1:01:09 PM

^^,^^^

The refugee situation doesn't change the equation in terms of ISIS moving people around. It's not clear yet if the Paris shooters even came as refugees, but we know at least 2 of them, possibly more were EU citizens. If you're going to be afraid of the refugees as a group because of a few people, you should also be afraid of your own citizens as a group because of the same few people shouldn't you? But this obviously doesn't make sense.

Secondly, for france, there's huge land area between France and Syria. ISIS could likely move people to France very easily, no matter what, refugees or not. I could even envision the refugees making it more difficult for ISIS since they are shunting all the refugees through a process and anyone deviating would be suspicious, and they can only travel with what they can carry with them.

For America, fear of refugees is plainly paranoid just by the numbers involved, but also because they would certainly also be put through a process (especially since they have to fly here). This isn't 100% guaranteed, but nothing is (ISIS can get here with or without refugees if they wanted through Canada or Mexico too), and the benefit of helping people would outweigh the costs of acting in an irrational reactionary way (which is what ISIS wants).

And that's the third element of this too, there's a famous story of Boris Yeltsin visiting an American grocery story and was amazed and the abundance which forced him to reflect on his own beliefs and policies. What better way to show the world and people who might be candidates for radicalization what western ideals are all about than welcoming fathers, mothers, and children to better lives? THere's not a fixed number of terrorists and good guys, and every terrorist we stop is one less terrorist, it's a dynamic system that is affected by our actions and the terrorists actions. Treating all the refugees based on the (theoretical) actions of .001% of them is not an input to this system that's likely to reduce the present or future terrorists.

None of this is to say that the refugees shouldn't be well vetted, as much as possible, to make sure they aren't on any known lists.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 1:08 PM. Reason : ]

11/16/2015 1:08:06 PM

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"The refugee situation doesn't change the equation in terms of ISIS moving people around. It's not clear yet if the Paris shooters even came as refugees, but we know at least 2 of them, possibly more were EU citizens. If you're going to be afraid of the refugees as a group because of a few people, you should also be afraid of your own citizens as a group because of the same few people shouldn't you? But this obviously doesn't make sense."

This is one hell of a stretch attempt by you.

Angela Merkel a few years ago said "assimilation has failed". She was not talking about Syrian refugees coming from religious fanaticism or war, she was talking about the secular Turkish community living in high numbers in Germany at the time and still do. It was more in the sense of "they live in Germany but had not become more German " over a long period of time in a sociocultural sense of learning to speak German and other ways to properly function in the majority of society. We in the U.S. thankfully do not have that issue to anywhere near the degree it exists in Europe. France in contrast is far worse on that than Germany when it comes to their Parisian suburbs, Marseille, and other places. The French taking in Syrian refugees, they're going to go make these Maghrebi semi-states in the Parisian suburbs even larger when quality of life is already pretty low in them from the standpoint of achieving a job or doing something in life, which drives desperate gullible young men in part to seek desperate alternatives.

What I've read from the news so far is a couple attackers were French citizens, a couple were refugees (one I think the BBC said his name was passed through Greece in August). Blaming the attacks entirely on the influx of refugees is incorrect, but if you were an ISIS strategist, and these guys are clearly pretty smart to successfully carry out multiple attacks killing 130 people, it's a good cover to put your fighters into position. You can completely disagree with my worldview, but you have to acknowledge that point if you take a neutral level-headed look at things.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 1:32 PM. Reason : /]

11/16/2015 1:21:11 PM

^ assimilation has failed in france not because the people don't want to assimilate, but because they aren't allowed to assimilate-- this is what the riots a few years ago were about. If the reality of your country is that people can't get over their prejudices, then it's probably best not to force them until they're ready. In America, we've assimilated dozens of ethnic groups over the past 100+ years, no reason we can't continue to do so if we set our mind to it.

In the bigger picture of things, if a country or society enshrines in policy now that they will be prejudiced against group X for fear of a few individuals, that's not really a sustainable policy in the long run. It will almost always lead to more problems. If we can't face our problems head-on without compromising our principles or ideals, then we've already lost.

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"but if you were an ISIS strategist, and these guys are clearly pretty smart to successfully carry out multiple attacks killing 130 people, it's a good cover to put your fighters into position."

This is true, but this is an effect, not a cause. If you cut off the refugee flow, ISIS would find another way, that might be more effective or harder to detect. It doesn't make sense to punish all the refugees to cause no dent in ISIS' ability to move people around.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 1:32 PM. Reason : ]

11/16/2015 1:30:18 PM

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"If you cut off the refugee flow, ISIS would find another way, that might be more effective or harder to detect. It doesn't make sense to punish all the refugees to cause no dent in ISIS' ability to move people around. "

Allright then, a lot more people are going to die in order to not punish the refugees. Discussion over.

11/16/2015 1:36:20 PM

huh? Pushing all the refugees, at best, causes the same amount of people to die, and at worse, causes way more people to die. It won't cause less people to die.

11/16/2015 1:45:45 PM

hahah DISCUSSION OVER

I'M TAKING MAH TOYS AND GOING HOME

DISCUSSION OVER

11/16/2015 1:53:28 PM

Pushing should be "Punishing" in that last post.

11/16/2015 1:56:36 PM

McCrory said he won't be allowing refugees in. Which of course he has no authority over... but still.

11/16/2015 3:05:30 PM

Has Flyin Ryan not seen the influx of radicalized muslims into conflict areas from europe? ISIS doesn't need refugees for attacks when they can radicalize people in other countries already.

i agree that this was a response to the refugee crisis, ISIS wants borders to close because that feeds their narrative and helps keep the money and people supply flowing

11/16/2015 3:09:24 PM

You would think at some point we, as western civilization, would come to the conclusion that our response to terror and our policy in general only serves to fuel the ability of these heinous groups to recruit.

It's a very hard issue because every instinct is to meet with force and fear but that is exactly what the goal of groups like ISIS want and need.

[Edited on November 16, 2015 at 3:15 PM. Reason : Ffs look at what Trump and Jeb are saying - that nonsense isn't helpful in the least]

11/16/2015 3:13:49 PM