man, that's a little out there...but guess an hour is closer than 2.5 out to my mom's property in surry county. anyone have any property closer to town?

9/14/2011 6:30:59 PM

everyone is paranoid about letting others shoot on their property because they are worried someone will get hurt and they'll be sued

9/14/2011 7:44:07 PM

Wake County shooting range in Apex. About 35 minute drive from NCSU. You have to take one of their orientation classes ($15) on a Wednesday evening or Sunday afternoon. But then you can pretty much shoot anything (smaller than a .50).

9/14/2011 8:16:38 PM

Got my CHP today 65 days/Wake county

9/14/2011 9:32:48 PM

I should probably go ahead and apply for mine...

9/14/2011 9:51:32 PM

the SC LE division received mine july 12, no word yet. I'm expecting it to take the full 90 days...

speaking of ccw:
H.R.822: National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011

thoughts?

9/16/2011 12:17:56 PM

*like*

9/16/2011 12:33:39 PM

Quote :

"Testifying before Congress on Tuesday, Philadelphia Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey told the story of Marqus Hill, a man whose Pennsylvania gun permit was revoked after he was charged with attempted murder. "Despite his record, he then used his Florida permit to carry a loaded gun in Philadelphia," Ramsey said. "He eventually shot a teenager thirteen times in the chest killing him on the street." "

That's a shitty example and I think the guy should have had ALL permits revoked/suspended.

9/16/2011 4:28:21 PM

failure to enforce reasonable laws already on the book (i'm sure FL includes a federal BG check).

9/16/2011 4:39:16 PM

^Brady Law

9/16/2011 9:32:09 PM

Quote :

"Despite his record, he then used his Florida permit to carry a loaded gun in Philadelphia," Ramsey said."

he probably would have carried the gun even without the Florida permit. its not like some LEO in Philly checked the guy's non-res Florida permit and allowed him to keep carrying the gun...

and if that IS the case, Ramsey has some bigger problems

9/17/2011 12:05:25 PM

anyone pick up snap caps for repeated dry firing? they worth it?

9/18/2011 1:40:10 PM

If dry-firing is not involved in the field strip of the gun, I would recommend them or a spent case.

9/18/2011 1:47:53 PM

Snap caps are great for training, but I don't see the need for dry-firing.
A spent case may do something for 2-3 strikes, but after that it will be pointless.

9/18/2011 2:42:46 PM

friend of mine makes me nervous with the goddamn snap caps.

he swears by them and as them in every gun- dry fires them constantly.

he goes shooting a lot so hes always loading and unloading them- sometimes im worried hes going to forget when he has them in or not.

this person alone makes me WARY of them.

9/18/2011 10:08:01 PM

you should treat the gun the same way regardless of what (if anything) is loaded in it.

I've found dry-firing to be a little useful. nothing that great.

i have found snap caps to be useful to fix an anticipation problem (particularly while teaching a novice shooter, but it's a good drill for anyone, i think). just go shooting with a friend, load each other's mags, and every now and then, sneak a snap-cap in there.

9/18/2011 10:12:12 PM

i spend entirely too much time browsing gun broker...

9/18/2011 10:16:50 PM

^^ also to find out if they instinctually clear a misfire properly

I'm that guy that handles the unloaded gun fairly frequently when tooling around the house in order to become so used to its feel that if the time ever comes I know there will be no fumbling around...i.e. "one with the gun." Especially because I can't get out to the range as often as I like, I try to never waste a dry-fire. Always trying to work on my economy of motion and draw/center/aim/fire, all that jazz.

Anyway, this all involves a fair amount of dry firing and while most of my guns can take it just fine I'd rather not put undue stress on the hammer and firing pin. Just curious if any of you had them. I wish that company made a "build your own six-pack" of dummy rounds

[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 6:18 AM. Reason : asdf]

9/19/2011 6:17:22 AM

Most modern guns are built to withstand repeated dry-firing without caps. You should be fine.

All the major-league USPSA shooters swear by dry-fire practice. I think Steve Anderson wrote a book about his dry-fire routine that led him to USPSA Grandmastership.

It helps more than you know about sight alignment and trigger pull; you learn to call your shots much better.

That being said, don't dry fire any rimfire guns.

9/19/2011 8:18:33 AM

Those of you that are military/LEO, how significant is the discount that you get when buying @ local gun shops? I know it varies shop by shop, but I've noticed a few of dealers here advertising pretty decent discounts on Glocks and whatnot, just trying to decide if it's worth kicking a veteran buddy a few bucks to purchase and then transfer to me.

9/19/2011 10:07:28 AM

^ I still pay less buying off of GunBroker or from some high volume shops. I have a few favorite dealers Northerfirearms and Woodburry Outfitters sell at like $25.00 over cost. Even if they don't have the gun listed they'll get it for me cheeper than anywhere local or even Buds. Military and LEO discount is usually a joke, because you still have to pay tax.

9/19/2011 10:47:02 AM

Oh wow, thanks for that, definitely going to check them out. Are you in the Raleigh area, and if so, which dealer do you use for shipping?

[Edited on September 19, 2011 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

9/19/2011 11:05:48 AM

glock and springfield have a severe discount; not sure who else.

9/19/2011 12:12:32 PM

http://www.woodburyoutfitters.com/product_p/7114.htm


lolol seriously??

9/19/2011 12:26:50 PM

does it squirt water?

9/19/2011 1:15:50 PM

Talk about buying something for shits-n-giggles.

9/19/2011 3:40:15 PM

I'm pretty sure it is supposed to be 119, as that is what the other pistol by that company go for... I imagine if you ordered it, that they would just cancel the order

9/19/2011 6:30:30 PM

I called and it's $129. I told them I'd like to place an order... Gave them the product ID and when the total came up, the guy on the other end was like, "woah woah woah... this.. this can't be right... "

9/19/2011 7:37:28 PM

hahaha damn....

9/19/2011 8:20:14 PM

^^ never supposed to call places for good deals, slickdeals etiquette

9/19/2011 8:52:20 PM

even at $20 that's not a good deal

9/19/2011 8:55:51 PM

Quote :

"anyone pick up snap caps for repeated dry firing? they worth it?"

No and no.

The only firearms on the market today that cannot handle dry firing may be rimfires. It depends on the firing pin design, but some rimfires allow the pins to travel far enough forward to contact the chamber mouth. That can lead to a peened chamber mouth (causing feed problems), peened firing pin, stuck firing pin, or broken firing pin.

Everything else is fine. If you own a gun that you can't dry fire without fear of breaking something then you might want to rethink its overall durability and whether or not you can live with that (People say they wont dry fire their 1911 house/carry guns. I wouldn't trust a gun that cant handle that).

Quote :

"i have found snap caps to be useful to fix an anticipation problem (particularly while teaching a novice shooter, but it's a good drill for anyone, i think). just go shooting with a friend, load each other's mags, and every now and then, sneak a snap-cap in there."

That's their best use.

I personally like dry firing for practice. I think its more the visualization that helps rather than the actual mechanics.

Quote :

"Those of you that are military/LEO, how significant is the discount that you get when buying @ local gun shops?"

Usually it's not much at regular gun stores. A few military guys I've talked to said they can get way better prices at the PX, especially because they don't pay sales tax.
Lawmen's sells their Glocks about $75-100 cheaper; a little less than that on Springfields. Those are special manufacturer LEO prices though. You can't expect that at most gun shops. They'll give forest rangers the discount too.

9/20/2011 1:35:59 AM

my rifle is a little off in terms of the scope.

we tried to sight it in but apparently the dials dont work, no matter how much twisting i did it didnt effect where the bullet went.

I tried to move the scope on the rail but i dont have an allen wrench that fits it, is it a special size?

9/20/2011 1:51:53 AM

It is probably just a metric if you have standard, or the other way around.
This may be a dumb question, but did you take the caps or covers off the turrets to get to the actual adjustors, or are they external on the scope?

9/20/2011 2:05:04 AM

what brand/model is the scope?

9/20/2011 6:17:40 AM

I took the caps off...

its a simmons

9/20/2011 1:38:10 PM

do the adjustment knobs move in clicks or do you just move them a certain amount? what range are you sighting in at? are you on the paper yet?

9/20/2011 1:45:57 PM

just picked up a marlin 30as

yeeeeeehaaaaaaawwww



almost done with my long-barreled acquisition short-list.

Remington Model 41 bolt-action .22lr
Marlin 336-30as lever 30-30
Romarms AK-47 7.62x39
Remington 870P 12g

Now just need to replace my full-frame .45 and choose a compact .40 and I *think* I can stop spending money on guns for a while...

9/20/2011 8:54:07 PM

what type of 45 do you have?

9/20/2011 11:47:14 PM

Had a s&w 4506 that I was in love with but it was stolen. Looking at picking up a Springfield operator eventually but for now I'm looking into a CC .40

9/21/2011 12:01:29 AM

I misread that and thought you had one you were looking to get rid of.

I bought a fullsize glock 40, and I'm not happy with it; it's just not as accurate for me as my compact Glock 45 (G30). I would love to find someone that would be willing to trade for either a fullsize glock 45 (G21) or a single stack compact 45 (G36). maybe I just need to take it back to the range and dump a couple hundred more rounds through it.

I want an AR-10 and an SBEII before I add another handgun to the collection, but I'll spend a lot less on another handgun.

9/21/2011 12:16:26 AM

^^ I love my G27 (subcompact .40). I'm told I shoot it pretty well out to 25 yards for being such a small hand cannon and Hickok45 is also very accurate with his. I'm just saying that they can be accurate guns as long as your form is correct and consistent. If accuracy/consistency is a concern, a 3rd Gen G26 (9mm subcompact) would be the way to go, if you like Glocks.

Maybe we need to go to the range this weekend DC. If you want to try it out, I'd be more than happy to throw some lead down range. I know you shot it once. You are more than welcome another go around if it'll convert you to the world of Glock

[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 12:51 AM. Reason : .]

9/21/2011 12:48:22 AM

Do you guys know anything about Firearms Training Associates? They have a LivingSocial deal going on right now for $62 for the CC class:

https://livingsocial.com/deals/125677?ref=conf-jp&rpi=28828211

9/21/2011 12:33:46 PM

^Go through me. It's $2 cheaper, and you can have your certificate this Saturday

Yeah, I'm a little pissed about missing out on over 500 customers, but I don't know how the hell they are making any money after Living Social takes their cut....or how they are accommodating that many people while only offering the class once a month.

[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 1:29 PM. Reason : .]

9/21/2011 1:27:16 PM

Protip: smaller CCH classes are much better

9/21/2011 1:30:09 PM

^^Sweet, I'll cancel my order! I'm actually looking to do this down the road. Have to wait for my citizenship to come through first haha.

If my wife and I did this together, would it be okay if we shared a gun? Or should I borrow a second one?

[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 3:32 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 3:33 PM. Reason : Ugh]

9/21/2011 3:32:13 PM

^^^lol my fiance asked if I would get her that LS deal for her bday... I told her no, but that if she really wanted to do a class I'd get one through you-


and as for how they get those number through, aren't Personal Defense's class 100+ people?

[Edited on September 21, 2011 at 4:00 PM. Reason : j]

9/21/2011 3:42:59 PM

that would make me really nervous... how many ROs do they have for a 100 person class?

9/21/2011 4:17:00 PM

Personal Defense has about 50 people per class but you have to schedule a time to shoot the following day and they only have 6 people shooting at a time. Much more controlled that way, but at $125/person, they're making an absolute killing to have one person teach an 8 hour class and then occupy the range for about 2 total hours. My classes cap out at 16 people per class and we shoot 8 people at a time with myself and 1 RSO to observe....needless to say, I expect the next couple months to be a little slower now


ibnuts, 2 people sharing a gun will not be a problem. You can go ahead and take the class if you expect the citizenship to come through shortly; you just have to be a citizen at time of application.

9/21/2011 5:22:29 PM

It actually clicks..not just turns.

and Im on the paper at 70 yards but its about 6 inches right of the target, no amount of clicks changes that.

9/21/2011 6:07:52 PM