My close relative has also been programed to think "white privilege" and "systematic racism" means that libs think people should be ashamed and apologize for being white. And she ain't having it!

3/4/2021 11:26:31 AM

http://twitter.com/tomtomorrow/status/1367467678923956227

Quote :

" Every conservative up in arms about a few lesser known Seuss titles being pulled by the copyright holder should run screen shots of the imagery in question and explain why it is defensible"

3/4/2021 12:20:41 PM

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"Quibbling over whether to use banned, cancelled, unpublished seems to miss the entire point."

It's not quibbling. Words have meaning and 'banning a book' is very different from 'the publisher allowed a book to go out of print.'

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"That's a far cry from corporate america playing struggle session over Dr. Seuss and apologizing for being white."

I want to know what you believe an apology for being white looks like. Please give a specific example.

3/4/2021 2:18:10 PM

^^

Guilty until proven innocent. Maybe we can reverse the legal tradition. It should be the accusers showing why it's racist. In the single example I've seen it was a chinese guy eating with chopsticks. What damage has that done? Should we shame 10 year olds for appropriation when they learn chopsticks?

I liked the world better when it was the religious right trying to cancel NWA and evolution text books. The current world seems like something Pat Robertson would have dreamt up in the 90s that the left felt was absurd then. The religious parallels are too many to count. We even have reinvented original sin.


^
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Fragility and the Coke be less white presentation.

[Edited on March 4, 2021 at 2:43 PM. Reason : A]

3/4/2021 2:36:40 PM

Good to know someone is finally taking a stand for white people and publishing companies

3/4/2021 2:49:00 PM

^^ A wikipedia article about a book is not a specific example.

As for Coke: where is the apology for being white?

3/4/2021 2:53:14 PM

Think a little more abstract. In the Soviet system the KGB and Blue Caps rooted out British intelligence. That was the job on paper. In practice a bluecap could accuse a governor of conspiracy because he wanted to fuck the governors wife. When you give people tools to crush the Machivellian fucks use it--not for the good, for their own ends.

I oppose all uses of such power. Whether it's Pat Robertson trying to cancel NWA or Gina in HR trying to cancel the guy that blew her off.

3/4/2021 2:55:41 PM

Not really interested in an abstract where we ascribe murky motives to hidden actors.

But, following your analogy, who at Coca-Cola HQ is in the KGB?

3/4/2021 3:02:06 PM

why do dudes who have no real argument love to show off by posting obscure references/analogies?

anyways, here are some clearly racist illustrations:





[Edited on March 4, 2021 at 3:53 PM. Reason : .]

3/4/2021 3:47:51 PM

Shots fired alert

3/4/2021 3:52:41 PM

Remember when they "canceled" city busses back in the 60s

3/4/2021 4:14:39 PM

^^^ clearly racist. You can read his mind--may as well assume the worst.

3/4/2021 9:53:41 PM

The Blue Caps sent a lot of people to the Gulag that were not British spies. Today a lot of people are cancelled, some I posted on the previous page, that are not racist. Some are even of the target race.

Maybe you think every high profile case of alleged is justified, some are for sure. But many people are caught up in the witch hunt that aren't witches. This happened in the lead up to the Soviet revolution and the Nazi one. You can read books about what it was like: "Captive Mind", "Freedom Forgotten and Remembered", and "Gulag Archipelago".

Maybe it's worth the risk to ensure children don't see what someone interpreted as racist.

3/4/2021 10:02:17 PM

kudos for being unable to admit that a racist caricature is racist

hell of a job of keeping up the bit

3/4/2021 10:43:17 PM

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"what someone interpreted as racist"

Well that's telling. Now we're getting somewhere.

3/5/2021 12:28:34 AM

Have fun rooting out racism and saving the world.

3/5/2021 2:31:57 AM

Because not attempting to root it out has been astoundingly effective so far.

3/5/2021 7:24:28 AM

^^^ I spent all day driving and was answering poorly in the middle of gas stops. I didn't have the time to check the history or context. If the top picture is meant to be people of African descent I would say it's racist. The bottom I saw reference that the artist had regretted it. The original had the characters as yellow and one of the changes was to make them more white.

I was more interested in discussing the original points: the definitions of class by two nerd bloggers and the point about power being used to play Machivellian games. The Seuss example seems to be bad and no one is interested.

[Edited on March 5, 2021 at 8:43 AM. Reason : A]

[Edited on March 5, 2021 at 9:03 AM. Reason : A]

3/5/2021 8:41:43 AM

Jesus has this dude always been this insufferable or is he just getting old?

3/5/2021 9:38:43 AM

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" I was more interested in discussing the original points: the definitions of class by two nerd bloggers and the point about power being used to play Machivellian games. The Seuss example seems to be bad and no one is interested."

It’s just really hard to take woke-mob slippery slope arguments seriously when one of the country’s political parties is descending into outright fascism, complete with eliminationist rhetoric, direct insurrection, and a religious belief in an alternate reality. The woke mob looks like a pizza party when compared to the trajectory of the current GQP.

3/5/2021 10:39:47 AM

While keeping their base in line by fear of abortions, immigrants, cancel-culture, and other hot-button issues.

3/5/2021 11:24:30 AM

I like the "we don't really know what Seuss was thinking" line of thought.

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"I was more interested in discussing [class and power]. The Seuss example seems to be bad and no one is interested."

You derailed your own class discussion with Seuss.

I asked you on this page who at Coke was serving the role of the KGB.

3/5/2021 1:05:11 PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1uvmC12b9cw

Do kind of wonder how South Park is Antifragile against.

3/9/2021 9:29:48 AM

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"The woke mob looks like a pizza party when compared to the trajectory of the current GQP."

Not sure about other places effected, but Santa Monica still looks like a war zone. Tons of boarded up stores with "open here" spray painted on it next to murals of George Floyd and ACAB.

3/9/2021 9:32:53 AM

anyone on here still a member of the party?

and if so, why?

3/11/2021 4:25:50 PM

I really think it comes down to three things

Greed (taxation)
Racism (immigration)
Religion (abortion)

[Edited on March 11, 2021 at 4:48 PM. Reason : oh, and guns]

3/11/2021 4:48:00 PM

guns go under all three of those umbrellas

3/11/2021 5:36:48 PM

^^ The Mexicans I know that voted for Trump most of them fall into the religion bucket because abortion. None of the old whites do. The ones I personally know from family are mostly concerned with manufacturing decay and issues caused by NAFTA.

This guy makes the argument I made about Trump not being ruling class: https://youtu.be/jmn4M4csE98?t=36m22s

Take any issue the ruling class is for and Trump was against. He has examples, but that is the crux of it.

[Edited on March 12, 2021 at 10:31 AM. Reason : A]

3/12/2021 10:30:18 AM

Tax cuts for the wealthy?

3/12/2021 12:53:37 PM

Those are to help the lower classes as the wealth trickles down, duh!

3/12/2021 3:21:28 PM

Tax deductible business lunches are a huge benefit for the working class.

3/13/2021 10:37:41 AM

Ron Johnson forgot his dog whistle when he left home today.

3/13/2021 5:45:55 PM

Trump called into Fox News and again asserted the election was stolen, by millions of votes.

Some nut job attacked Asian businesses today killing 8.

Birx admitted the incident where trump said to inject lysol and UV still haunts her.

3/17/2021 12:38:55 AM

Shout out to McConnell's stirring speech on GOP nihilism.

3/17/2021 12:39:32 PM

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"Trump called into Fox News and again asserted the election was stolen, by millions of votes. "

Nobody cares what he says now. He's done.

3/19/2021 4:09:34 PM

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"NobodyRepublicans care what he says now. He's (not) done."

ftfy

3/19/2021 4:54:10 PM

Screaming the quiet parts, John Cornyn:

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"President Biden has instead emphasized the humane treatment of immigrants, regardless of their legal status.@nytimes "

3/22/2021 11:00:36 AM

I realize I’ve said it a million times over the years, but I can’t imagine being ok with the side that has people like that on it

it’s taken decades, but at least they’re finally telling on themselves more and more often

[Edited on March 22, 2021 at 11:06 AM. Reason : .]

3/22/2021 11:05:02 AM

https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/25/politics/georgia-state-house-voting-bill-passage/index.html

anybody on here care to attempt to defend this clear example of voter suppression?

3/25/2021 9:10:05 PM

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"limits the use of ballot drop boxes"

Unless this is just a simplification of the electronic ballot boxes in which we insert our ballots, I'm not sure what they're talking about. Are there still some areas of the country that use a literal drop box? What's the alternative if so? Handing it over to someone?

Also, I'm not understanding why it should be a crime to hand out water.

I'll not defend or be a proponent of voter ID. I think states should be able to require it if they want. *shrugs* Both sides make a good argument, in my opinion.

3/25/2021 11:50:11 PM

Drop boxes are for absentee ballots

3/26/2021 12:35:21 AM

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"Also, I'm not understanding why it should be a crime to hand out water."

It shouldn't be. The presented "argument" (as far as I can tell) is that it's an illegal "Incentive to Vote". Like, hey, I'll give you a drink of water if you give me your vote...lol.....as if a thirsty person thinks hey, I'm thirsty, I think I'll stand in line for three hours so someone will offer me a drink...instead of just popping into a convenience store for 2 minutes to buy a drink (or use a water fountain).

It (offering the drink) is clearly not an incentive, it's an ameliorative action against bullshit illegal voter disenfranchisement actions, such as limited polls causing longer lines.

3/26/2021 1:22:58 AM

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" Also, I'm not understanding why it should be a crime to hand out water."

they don’t want people to vote

3/26/2021 12:34:00 PM

And this GOP Senator think voting on Sunday will offend God, because of dollar bills and the sabbath

(even though she's held campaign rallies on Sundays)

https://www.thedailybeast.com/sen-hyde-smith-says-there-should-be-no-voter-events-on-holy-sundays-why-were-her-campaign-events-exempt

3/26/2021 12:46:31 PM

Here's a video of Park Cannon being arrested while Kemp signed the bill.

https://www.facebook.com/tamara.stevens09291970/videos/4014371508644767

3/27/2021 7:55:34 AM

would love a full throated defense from a Republican on why they’re still a Republican

especially after the absolute richest of the richest raked it in during the pandemic

3/27/2021 5:55:18 PM

Didn’t you ask that like a month ago?

3/28/2021 11:19:59 PM

Weird question

3/28/2021 11:59:47 PM

^^^ Found a good segment with some republicans to give you some insight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=toL1tXrLA1c

[Edited on March 29, 2021 at 6:48 PM. Reason : a]

3/29/2021 6:47:59 PM

with this Matt Gaetz news, feels like it’s time to play “Layla” on a loop

3/30/2021 8:56:06 PM