[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 2:39 PM. Reason : 119 reminds me to not feed trolls.]

3/24/2009 2:39:10 PM

Second prize?

Anyone wanna see second prize?

A set of steak knives.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 2:40 PM. Reason : new page'd]

3/24/2009 2:39:23 PM

for page one hundred and nineteen:

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"I find it funny that anyone attempting to point out the glaring problems with our program right now and they get called a troll or asking for said user to be suspended or being called childish or, get this, not knowing shit about basketball. Glaring problems with our program right now - 10th place ACC finish year #1 - 12th place ACC finish year #2 (with #19 draft pick NBA center on roster) - 10th place ACC finish year #3 - absolutely zero optimism from most fans about year #4 - Recruits decommitting - Current players opting to not finish their eligibility - Offering a scholarship to a potential walk-on It's just too damned bad I had no clue how basketball works and this is par for the course."

3/24/2009 2:40:46 PM

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"So we're all in agreement, right? We're just ignoring OhBoyeee's trolling from here on out? Good"

3/24/2009 2:43:50 PM

^ you just made my point. Thank you.

I'm sure it's easier for someone such as yourself to not actually look at the mounting evidence that our program is terrible with no hopes of recovery under our current coach. It's much easier to ignore it and say that it is "trolling"

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 2:57 PM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 2:55:30 PM

this thread has cancer

3/24/2009 2:56:01 PM

^And its name is OhBoyeee

3/24/2009 3:01:00 PM

what is it like to search for negative aspects of the team you "support" day in and day out?

is that fun to you ohboyee?

i mean damn son

get some pussy or something

3/24/2009 3:02:31 PM

best thread ever



[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 3:11 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2009 3:10:31 PM

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"I'm sure it's easier for someone such as yourself to not actually look at the mounting evidence that our program is terrible with no hopes of recovery under our current coach. It's much easier to ignore it and say that it is "trolling""

It's "trolling" when you post shit just to get a reaction, just to argue, which you know you do. It's trolling when you make comments like:

"You're sucking Lowe's cock right now and he isn't even hard, if I had to guess" or "so did anyone else notice that scout downgraded Davis to a one star player after we offered him? 1 fucking star? He is certain to be the next Jack McClinton" or "Wonder if Lowe will go out and buy some books about coaching this offseason?" (and those are just a few from the last few days)

You posted those just to get a reaction, just to piss people off, just to get attention. As has been stated a milllion times, nobody's exactly happy about our last three seasons, nobody's happy that we didn't get Favors or Cousins, nobody's happy that Leslie de-commited. What do you intend to accomplish by going round and round in circles talking shit about our recruits, our team, our coach, our program,beside drag it down and feed your attention-needing ego? It's trolling if numerous people are making posts on Sports Talk, not even talking about sports, just addressing your negative inane instigating anonymous trolling comments.

Oh yeah,

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""So we're all in agreement, right? We're just ignoring OhBoyeee's trolling from here on out? Good""

3/24/2009 3:16:34 PM

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"So we're all in agreement, right? We're just ignoring OhBoyeee's trolling from here on out? Good"

3/24/2009 3:23:35 PM

alright, I'll stop "trolling" then, but most of my posts are relevant and about our basketball program. Don't act like you have never trolled me before. Back to the subject of the thread...

Do you still think after everything that has happened recently that Lowe is still credible? Do you think that questioning his credibility at this point is still undeserving?

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"what is it like to search for negative aspects of the team you "support" day in and day out? is that fun to you ohboyee?"

no, but what would be fun for me is to watch our team win a lot more basketball games

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 3:31 PM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 3:28:34 PM

Posting something like:

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"there should be 11 ACC coaches fired every year you win the league, you get to stay you don't win the league, fuck you, what have you done for me lately"

is every bit as much a troll post as anything ohboyee has done. I don't really think he has been that absurd. I don't agree with him in that I think we need to give him a chance to get his own players and develop them like we did with Herb. God willing he can get us back to the Herb level and eventually past it. But I also don't see how anyone can be PLEASED with the last 3 years.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 3:30 PM. Reason : x]

3/24/2009 3:29:56 PM

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 3:32 PM. Reason : must. ignore.]

3/24/2009 3:31:26 PM

90% of TreeTwista10's posts are trolling.

3/24/2009 3:42:52 PM

He always does that when he disagrees with something, just turn whatever you're saying into some absurd bullshit.

3/24/2009 3:44:07 PM

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"But I also don't see how anyone can be PLEASED with the last 3 years."

I don't think anyone here is pleased, but when confronted with the absurdity that has been much of the past 10+ pages, the rational ones (most of whom mind you, are not promising future success so much as giving the man a decent chance to build something) tend to drift toward opposite extreme to counteract.

3/24/2009 3:52:18 PM

I think a lot has to do with the fact that some just still don't want to concede that Lowe's credibility should and can be questioned at this point in his tenure here. Earlier in this thread a lot of people were telling me and others that we needed to wait until the season was over before coming to any kind of conclusions.. and we finished 10th in the league. Then the shit really hit the fan when Leslie decommitted and some of our current players opted to not use all of their eligibility.

Of the users who think I'm a troll (Ernie, Bullet, wolfAApack, GenghisJohn, j_sun, etc), I haven't heard any of them put ANY blame on our coach for the state of our program. It's mostly been the same old excuses that places none of the blame on the coaches shoulder.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 4:02 PM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 3:58:17 PM

dude, we fucking get it, you think Lowe should be fired, enough already

3/24/2009 4:01:17 PM

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"Of the users who think I'm a troll (Ernie, Bullet, wolfAApack, GenghisJohn, j_sun, etc), I haven't heard any of them put ANY blame on our coach for the state of our program."

I think its less of that and more of not seeing how throwing him under the bus right now will benefit the team. That has been repeated. Over and over and over and over.

3/24/2009 4:04:39 PM

just suspend the guy


if you are harming the program, and it does harm, you should be suspended

why is it complicated?

3/24/2009 4:07:32 PM

People are just overly lenient to Lowe due to him, once upon a time, being part of an NC State team that wasn't terrible. If that airball had just sailed right on out of bounds, no one would be cutting him any slack. It's understandable. Sad, but understandable.

3/24/2009 4:10:28 PM

thats not it at all.

its an understanding of college basketball.

3/24/2009 4:11:22 PM

Sure. As long as all these guys are suspended too:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=393280

And all of these guys:

http://www.thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=445143

And anyone who said a bad word about Costner, McCauley or Fells this year.

3/24/2009 4:12:03 PM

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"90% of TreeTwista10's posts are trolling."

90% of your posts are saying we should fire Lowe because you get all emotional like a woman

3/24/2009 4:15:36 PM

there's a difference between saying negative things and saying the SAME negative things for 119 pages. and then bringing up the same tired points over and over just to get a reaction from people who feel differently than you do. i don't necessarily think he should be suspended. but he's just being a troll at this point. does he say valid things? yes occasionally, but so do lots of trolls.

3/24/2009 4:15:59 PM

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"90% of your posts are saying we should fire Lowe because you get all emotional like a woman"

3/24/2009 4:16:53 PM

It has nothing to do with anyone saying a bad word against Sid. I'm for it, criticize the guy all you want, as long it's a logical discussion.

This OhBoyeee dude just repeats the same tired shit over, and over, and over. He doesn't respond to facts or arguments, he provides none of his own, he trolls. He sticks little barbs in here and there trying to elicit emotional responses from people.

He's not adding to the discussion, he's just trying to piss people off.

3/24/2009 4:17:58 PM

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"if you are harming the program, and it does harm, you should be suspended why is it complicated?"

ah the same old tired theory that saying anything that can be construed as negative about our program or players is why we suck. Why even have a Sports Talk section if you can't voice an opinion, be it positive or negative about the basketball or football program? Who would want to read or post in it if it's just sunshine and flowers.

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"This OhBoyeee dude just repeats the same tired shit over, and over, and over. He doesn't respond to facts or arguments, he provides none of his own, he trolls. He sticks little barbs in here and there trying to elicit emotional responses from people. He's not adding to the discussion, he's just trying to piss people off. "

agreed

3/24/2009 4:21:46 PM

holy crap. this thread has reached an entirely new level of repetitive absurdity.

lock.

3/24/2009 4:28:55 PM

criticism is fine and always welcome.

the problem is, people don't understand the difference between offering criticism and talking shit.

3/24/2009 4:29:04 PM

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"He doesn't respond to facts or arguments"

What facts or arguments are you talking about? I'm rarely presented with any, and if I am then I do respond accordingly. There are plenty of instances in this thread where that can be shown. Being told "you just don't understand how college basketball works" in response to my valid points is not a fact nor a good argument.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 4:38 PM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 4:37:26 PM

fire norm

3/24/2009 4:38:09 PM

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"People are just overly lenient to Lowe due to him, once upon a time, being part of an NC State team that wasn't terrible. If that airball had just sailed right on out of bounds, no one would be cutting him any slack."

couldn't be farther from the truth. Sure some of the lowe supporters are doing that, but chances are, if he wasn't such a huge part of nc state history, he wouldn't have been hired. I couldn't give a fuck less what he did in 1983. I care what he's doing now, and I want him to be our coach until he proves by year 5 that he can't cut it, same with anyone else that would have been hired short of them being a total ass and actually running the program into the ground.

3/24/2009 4:41:41 PM

3/24/2009 5:36:09 PM

Herb sendek would have taken the teams the past 3 years and gotten into the NCAA. Lowe has a totally different coaching style, which is fine if you are in the NBA or have players who can play his style. I'd be suprised if we finish next year with 8 wins total.

3/24/2009 5:38:55 PM

Don't bring up Herb, even though you may be right its not going to lead anywhere.

3/24/2009 5:40:31 PM

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"People are just overly lenient to Lowe due to him, once upon a time, being part of an NC State team..."

that won our last national championship?

yeah, i know i am.

that whole season was special, not just the last minute almost-airball.

3/24/2009 5:40:50 PM

good idea! let's bring up herb and speculate. 119 pages and that hasn't been done yet. where have you been this whole time, we needed your insight.

3/24/2009 5:41:29 PM

^^ but wolfAApack said that is the farthest thing from the truth!

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"I'd be suprised if we finish next year with 8 wins total."

come on.. we'll have more than 8.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 5:45 PM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 5:43:58 PM

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"Herb sendek would have taken the teams the past 3 years and gotten into the NCAA."

Nope. I will grant you that if Herb had stayed we probably would have been in the tourney the past three years, but it would have been with a completely different roster. (and with all of Engin's injuries the first year we still may not have made it.)

Lowe is getting kids to play his system. He'll be fine.

3/24/2009 5:45:14 PM

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"Lowe is getting kids to play his system. He'll be fine."

I hope at some point that he'll incorporate defense into his "system"

3/24/2009 6:14:14 PM

i guess you dont think we were better on d last year than we were the year before right?

Of course you don't, why would you let facts get in the way of your ignorance?

3/24/2009 6:16:09 PM

i hope he'll incorporate using the entire shot clock and living and dying by the three to give the illusion of defense

3/24/2009 6:16:45 PM

3/24/2009 6:18:32 PM

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"I'd be suprised if we finish next year with 8 wins total."

I would be too, I'd be shocked and appalled, and if that happened then Sid would probably resign. There's no way in hell we finish with single digit wins next year, you're just an idiot

3/24/2009 6:18:36 PM

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"i guess you dont think we were better on d last year than we were the year before right? Of course you don't, why would you let facts get in the way of your ignorance?"

Nowhere did I say anything about defense from last year to this year, but I suspect it hasn't improved significantly if at all. You want facts, lets take a look at this year, shall we?

Points allowed per game: 69.6 Ranked: 218



[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM. Reason : []

3/24/2009 6:28:34 PM

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"the illusion of defense"

^what was UNC ranked in points allowed per game? just curious

i'd also argue that sloppy offense and careless passing which leads to turnovers and points off turnovers was a lot more of a detriment to us than when we were actually on defense

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM. Reason : .]

3/24/2009 6:31:15 PM

with kenpom's numbers, we're worst in the acc for adjusted def (ranked 174 nationally), but third best in adjusted off (#31 nationally)

3/24/2009 6:31:27 PM

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"i guess you dont think we were better on d last year than we were the year before right? "

We weren't actually, we had the worst defense in the ACC this year, probably the worst in any major conference.

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"^what was UNC ranked in points allowed per game? just curious"

Don't know about PPG, but they had the fourth most efficient defense in the conference, somewhere around 25th in the nation.

I've never understood people who say they don't play D.

[Edited on March 24, 2009 at 6:33 PM. Reason : ]

3/24/2009 6:31:33 PM