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"Hijacking a plane is not an easy thing to do. Hijacking it without the pilot being able to alert ground control is near impossible. The pilot has only to punch in a four digit code to alert ground control to a hijacking. Unconcerned with the awkward question of plausibility, the conspiracy buffs maintain that on that Sept 11, the invisible hijackers took over the plane by the rather crude method of threatening people with boxcutters and knives, and spraying gas (after they had attached their masks, obviously), but somehow took control of the plane without the crew first getting a chance to punch in the hijacking code. Not just on one plane, but on all four. At this point in the tale, the conspiracy theorist is again forced to call upon the services of the improbability drive. So now that our incredibly lucky hijackers have taken control of the planes, all four pilots fly them with breath taking skill and certainty to their fiery end, all four pilots unflinching in their steely resolve for a swift meeting with Allah. Apart from their psychotic hatred of "our freedoms" , it was their fanatical devotion to Islam which enabled them to summon up the iron will to do this. Which is strange, because according to another piece of hearsay peddled by the conspiracy buffs, these guys actually went out drinking and womanizing the night before their great martyrdom, even leaving their Korans in the bar -really impeccable Islamic behavior - and then got up at 5am the next morning to pull off the greatest covert operation in history. This also requires us to believe that they were even clear headed enough to learn how to fly the huge planes by reading flight manuals in Arabic in the car on the way to the airport. We know this because they supposedly left the flight manuals there for us to find. http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm"

[Edited on February 7, 2004 at 8:22 PM. Reason : ..]

2/7/2004 8:20:23 PM

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"This concoction about one of the hijacked planes hitting the Pentagon really is a howler. For those not familiar with the layout of the Pentagon, it consists of 5 rings of building, each with a space inbetween. Each ring of building is about 30 to 35 ft deep, with a similar amount of open space between it and the next ring. The object which penetrated the Pentagon went in at about a 45 degree angle, punching a neat circular hole of about a 12 ft diameter through three rings ( six walls).A little later a section of wall about 65 ft wide collapsed in the outer ring. Since the plane which the conspiracy theorists claim to be responsible for the impact had a wing span of 125 ft and a length of 155 ft, and there was no wreckage of the plane, either inside or outside the building, and the lawns outside were still smooth and green enough to play golf on, this crazy delusion is clearly physically impossible. But hey, we've already disregarded the combustion qualities of jet fuel, the normal properties of common building materials, the properties of DNA, the laws of gravity and the second law of thermodynamics, so what the hell - why not throw in a little spatial impossibility as well ? I would have thought that the observation that a solid object cannot pass through another solid object without leaving a hole at least as big as itself is reasonably sound science. But to the conspiracy theorist, this is "mumbo jumbo". It conflicts with the delusion that they're hooked on, so it "must be wrong" although trying to get them to explain exactly how it could be wrong is a futile endeavour. http://www.911-strike.com/debunking.htm"

[Edited on February 7, 2004 at 8:41 PM. Reason : ..]

2/7/2004 8:40:57 PM

Evidence of bombs going off in WTC towers:



http://www.propagandamatrix.com/collapse.html

[Edited on February 10, 2004 at 10:18 AM. Reason : ..]

2/10/2004 10:17:59 AM

So tell me salisbury boy, if this is all a giant government conspiracy, which actualy trancends the US government and is a world wide plot, why is it you're still alive? You obviously know too much. Why haven't they come and taken you away and just made you, disappear. It's not like anyone would really notice, and you're a danger to their plans. You could expose them. So why are you still alive?

2/10/2004 10:34:51 AM

^
First of all, I'm not the kind of person they typically go after. They go after more prominent and "important" people and people that are about to testify in court and expose the truth. For instance, the prominent scientist David Kelly was murdered in the U.K. because he was exposing the British governments lies about Iraq's weapons capability. Also, for example, numerous eyewitness and people with first-hand knowledge (the kind of knowledge you need to testify in court) surrounding the various scandels related to Bill Clinton wound up dead.

Why haven't they tried to take out Alex Jones? (ie, of http://www.infowars.com)

I don't know for sure, but I suspect that they believe they can "control" most people by the mass media. The mass media is very powerful and shapes the opinions of most people. Most people get their "news" solely from the mass media and don't think to question whether they are getting the truth or the whole truth. They know they can use the media to simply write off anyone who speaks the truth or questions the official story as "conspiracy theorists."

Also, these globalists may already have so much power at this point that they don't fear people knowing the truth....because it won't stop their plans for martial law in America and global government.

[Edited on February 10, 2004 at 12:06 PM. Reason : ..]

2/10/2004 12:05:52 PM

What about that lawer that was suing the government for 9/11? He's still alive. And if these people are so good at manipulating world governments, you would think they would know the absolute importance of having to remove ALL disenters. After all, it doesn't take mass media to start a revolution. So I would think people like you, and mister alex jones, and all the people running these other sites you keep citing would be dead by now. It's dangerous to allow disenters to speak. Even dumbass GW seems to know this.

2/10/2004 12:51:59 PM

^
The fact that ALL dissenters or those who know too much have not been silenced or murdered does not in any way prove that the conspiracy does not exist. Every single day, practically, there will be people who learn the truth. What are they going to do? Put a hit out on every person who visits a web site that is exposing the truth? Unlikely. As I said before, they apparantly only feel they need to eliminate or silence certain people, including high profile and important individuals....like JFK, David Kelley, etc., etc., etc.

[Edited on February 10, 2004 at 3:48 PM. Reason : ..]

2/10/2004 3:38:01 PM

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"Even after 9-11, it seemed as if plenty of people were dancing with Lady Luck. Like who? Well, first of all there’s Dick Cheney’s Brown & Root, which was awarded by the Army Corps of Engineers (without competition) a $7 billion contract to rebuild Iraq. Brown & Root is, of course, a Halliburton subsidiary, the same company that Cheney was CEO of and received a $20 million retirement package from (along with owning $46 million worth of stocks). It’s also quite a stroke of luck that the Carlyle Group, one of America’s leading defense contractors, has profits going through the roof since the Iraqi war began. (Coincidentally, one of the Carlyle Group’s primary investors is George Bush Sr.) Or maybe its just crazy CIA luck that Afghanistan just had its largest bumper crop of opium ever, especially after the poppy fields had been nearly eradicated a few years earlier by the Taliban. Even the PNAC (Project for a New American Century), who had been urging the U.S. presidents to invade Iraq for over a decade, got lucky because … guess what … we’re now mired in a seemingly endless debacle in Iraq! Last but not least, I guess its dumb-luck for the international bankers that our nation has now gone further into debt than it ever has in its history, and will continue to do so, meaning exorbitantly higher interest payments to them! http://www.babelmagazine.com/issue115/nwox115.html"

2/10/2004 3:44:45 PM

^^ But that philosphy is doomed to failure. Even shrub knows that even the smallest of dissenters cna be a threat. Orwell knew it too. Why do you think there was a thought police? And such an elaborate ruse to convince those that were too far gone that they were in the right and lure them into a sense of complacency? You can't just let dissenters run wild. They have to eliminate anyone who doubleplusungoodspeaks or they will risk it all. This isn't some cat and mouse game they can play. If they don't silence all dissenters, and they don't view all disenters as a threat, then they really aren't anyone we should worry about.

2/10/2004 4:18:50 PM

So let me get this straight....you're saying that despite all the overwhelming evidence that points to government complicity in the 9/11 attacks, Oklahoma City, etc. and their use of these events to usher in a police state, the conspiracy doesn't exist because they aren't employing Orwell's supposed requirement of eliminating all dissenters?

I agree that any dissenters are a threat...but they are less of a threat when you have the mass media at your disposal to practically control the vast majority of the population. Due to the enormous influence of the mass media (newspaper, television, magazines, etc.), they are assured that only a small portion of the population will come to know the truth and resist their goals.

Without the internet, even less people would know the truth.

[Edited on February 10, 2004 at 10:00 PM. Reason : ..]

2/10/2004 9:54:44 PM

No, what I've been saying all along is that there is no "overwhelming" evidence. And I'm saying that I find it increasingly hard to believe that there is some multinational secret conspiracy that can't seem to figure out what Stalin, Hitler, Bush, Ray Brdbury and George Orwell alll figured out, and that is that all disenters need to be silenced. Mass media control or no, you can't have dissenters running arround un checked.

2/10/2004 9:59:28 PM

No overwhelming evidence? That's a joke.

I'll give you just one example. How about Larry Silverstein's admission that they brought down WTC 7 in a controlled demolition? How is that not conclusive?

2/10/2004 10:03:14 PM

Because as I said earlier in this thread, I recalled hearing at one point that they had brought one of the WTC buildings down intentionaly because it had sustained extensive dammage and was unstable. Whether that was WTC 7 or not, I don't recall. Did you even listen to your own source?

"I got a call from teh fire chief and he said that they weren't sure if they were going to be able to contain the fires... the safest thing to do was pull it, and so they made the decision to pull it."

But you're dodging the question. How can there be a multinational conspiracy reaching far back into history and yet they still haven't the brains to accomplish what dictators all over the world have?

2/10/2004 10:36:26 PM

Silverstein is talking about WTC 7 in the video clip. WTC 7 collapsed at 5:20pm on September 11th, 2001. This proves that explosives were in the building before 9/11. It also proves that the government is lying about the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 (the FEMA report claimed the building collapsed due to fire).

http://infowars.com/Video/911/wtc7_pbs.WMV

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"But you're dodging the question. How can there be a multinational conspiracy reaching far back into history and yet they still haven't the brains to accomplish what dictators all over the world have? "

I disagree that they haven't accomplished anything. They have been successful in bankrupting most of the nations of the world and indebting entire nations and peoples to their banks, thereby making themselves immensely rich and powerful and enslaving nearly the entire world. They have been successful in taking away the freedoms and rights of the people and moving entire nations towards a police state and martial law. They have been successful in abolishing property rights of the people and giving those rights to the state and the U.N. (ie, rights in land). They have even been so successful as to make people love and accept the state of slavery and oppression that they are in. That's quite a feat if you ask me. They have been successful in advancing global government (ie, United Nations laws, world court, etc.). The globalist elite have accomplished nearly all of their goals.

I assume you claim that they aren't successful because they haven't yet killed every single person that resists them.

[Edited on February 10, 2004 at 11:39 PM. Reason : ..]

2/10/2004 11:22:40 PM

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"This proves that explosives were in the building before 9/11"

It proves nothing of the sort. Untill you find for me a full and detailed list fothe procedures and estimated times to wire a heavily fire damaged building for a controlled colapse (and please note the different between a controlled demolition and a controlled colapse) you haven't proved jack shit. Thanks for playing, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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" It also proves that the government is lying about the cause of the collapse of WTC 7 (the FEMA report claimed the building collapsed due to fire). "

Depends on the wording of the report. WTC 7 did collapse because of fire damage. The fact is, the fire authorities decided to bring it down in a controlled maner as opposed to letting it colapse on it's own.

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"I disagree that they haven't accomplished anything. They have been successful in bankrupting most of the nations of the world and indebting entire nations and peoples to their banks, thereby making themselves immensely rich and powerful and enslaving nearly the entire world. They have been successful in taking away the freedoms and rights of the people and moving entire nations towards a police state and martial law. They have been successful in abolishing property rights of the people and giving those rights to the state and the U.N. (ie, rights in land). They have even been so successful as to make people love and accept the state of slavery and oppression that they are in. That's quite a feat if you ask me. They have been successful in advancing global government (ie, United Nations laws, world court, etc.). The globalist elite have accomplished nearly all of their goals. I assume you claim that they aren't successful because they haven't yet killed every single person that resists them."

point----------------------------[line of understanding]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------you

Let me try and walk you through this step by step. You claim that there is a multinational conspiracy, enslaving whoel nations and peoples. An organization more ruthless and vile than any of the world current dictators, and to top it all off, the organization has been arround for centuries. Yet, for some inexplicable reason, this massive group of people can't seem to do what every other dictator in history has learned to do, which is silence all dissenters no matter how small. Every dictator in history has known that allowing dissenters to run free is a dangerous thing to do and that it fosters a sense of security in the disenters, making them bolder.. But for some reason, you're multinational conspiracy group doesn't see the danger, and plays a game of cat and mouse, only killing the most high profile disenters (and thus giving more fuel to the dissenters) and ignoring all the others, despite the fact that they sue governments, and run websites which anyone can access.

And to top it all off, not only is this conspiracy group dumb as a box of rocks (as it apparently hasn't learned the lesson that even the smallest of dictators have learned) but they inexplicably leave behind "overwhelming" ammounts of evidence against them. So overwhelming infact that average Joe Blow can pick up on it if he does a bit of searching online. By comparison, there are serial killers that go free every year because despite having some of the best minds in the world tracking them, they don't leave many clues.

2/11/2004 12:29:13 AM

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"Depends on the wording of the report. WTC 7 did collapse because of fire damage. The fact is, the fire authorities decided to bring it down in a controlled maner as opposed to letting it colapse on it's own. "

So which is it genius?...the fire or the explosives in the building that brought it down?

Clearly, it was the explosives...not the fire. No modern steel skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire. WTC 7 was not going to collapse due to the fires in it. As Silverstein admitted, they brought down WTC 7 by a controlled demolition.

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 1:35 AM. Reason : ..]

2/11/2004 1:11:24 AM

Fire damage is what made it nessesary to bring down. According to the fire authorities, it would have colapsed unpredictably and at an unknown time due to fire damage. Therefore the colapse was caused by fire damage. What the authorities did was speed things up and contain it so that no other lives were lost. It's the same as if you look at a place where a building once stood and now it's just a blank lot. What happened? The building burned down, but obviously it did not burn it down to ash and then sweep the ash away. Humans kocked it down after the fire had damaged it beyond salvaging and then cleared the debris. So it is here, the building failed because of firee damage, and humans brought the rest of it down before it could hurt anyone.

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"No modern steel skyscraper has ever collapsed due to fire."

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"WTC 7 was not going to collapse due to the fires in it"

Would you testify this in court? Would you get before a judge, and put your hand on the bible and swear that WTC 7 was not going to collapse due to fire?

And you still haven't answered my question as to why the multinational conspiracy group has failed Conspiracy 101.

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 1:49 AM. Reason : 100 times damn char limtis]

2/11/2004 1:46:29 AM

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"According to the fire authorities, it would have colapsed unpredictably and at an unknown time due to fire damage."

Well, I'm not aware of who these "authorities" are, but this would have been the first time ever in history that a modern steel skyscraper had collapsed due to fire. Other modern steel skyscrapers have survived fires that were worse than the one in WTC 7.

WTC 7 was not hit by a plane and the twin towers were designed to survive impacts from commercial airliners. The Empire State Building was hit by a plane and it didn't collapse.

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 2:05 AM. Reason : ..]

2/11/2004 1:54:48 AM

2/11/2004 1:57:43 AM

Wrong, PBS aired a quote of the HEAD ARCHITECT saying he wasnt sure. You techs and underlings testaments are BS; I think the fucking designer of the building would know the most, and he SAID THERE IS NO WAY TO KNOW. JUST STFU ALREADY ABOUT THIS.

2/11/2004 1:59:14 AM

^
wasn't sure about what?

2/11/2004 2:01:56 AM

Somebody find the Boeing 757 that allegedly hit the Penatgon here in the few frames of video the government released...



Why won't the government release the video from the security camera at the gas station near the Pentagon?

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"Velasquez says the gas station's security cameras are close enough to the Pentagon to have recorded the moment of impact. "I've never seen what the pictures looked like," he said. "The FBI was here within minutes and took the film." http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2001/12/1211_wirepentagon.html"

WHAT IS THE GOVERNMENT HIDING??

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 2:15 AM. Reason : ..]

2/11/2004 2:11:28 AM

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"Well, I'm not aware of who these "authorities" are,"

According to the guy who's words you're taking for gospel, these authorities would be the fire chief. But what does he know about fires and buildings right?

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"but this would have been the first time ever in history that a modern steel skyscraper had collapsed due to fire"

There's a first time for everything. I'm sure tacoma narrows was the first time a modern bridge had ever collapsed due to every day wind.

And something that's been bothering me for a while here. define "modern skyscraper".

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"WTC 7 was not hit by a plane"

But it was hit by plenty of debris. Remember our friend physics? Yeah, fallng debris from buildings cause damage to other buldings. Kinetic energy and all that jazz.

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"the twin towers were designed to survive impacts from commercial airliners."

From small planes, assuming original design specs were followed (which they weren't) and not a direct hit by a plane being used as a freaking missile.

Tacoma Narrows was designed to be a bridge and not collapse due to common weather. See how well that worked out?

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"The Empire State Building was hit by a plane and it didn't collapse. "

Yeah, it was hit by one of these:


Considerably smaller, lighter, slower and weaker than a modern passenger jet.

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"wasn't sure about what? "

Whether the WTC towers would have been able to stand up to a modernday passenger jet.

And you still haven't answered my question as to why the multinational conspiracy group has failed Conspiracy 101.



---

^ nice article from 3 years ago. How about an update? Do you know for a fact the video wasn't released? Have you looked?



[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 2:22 AM. Reason : sfdg]

2/11/2004 2:20:07 AM

Assuming the WTC towers fell because of the fire, why did the government quickly haul away the steel to ship it to China for smelting without investigating it? Since these are supposedly the first modern steel skyscrapers to collapse due to fire and were designed to survive an impact from a commercial airliner, don't you think that warranted a proper investigation?

Why no investigation of the steel rubble? Once again, this is a cover-up.

2/11/2004 2:29:25 AM

George Bush AND Tony Blair claim to have seen the FIRST plane that hit the WTC on television the day of the attacks.

Blair:

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"I remember it very, very clearly. I was about to give the speech to the Trades Union Congress in Brighton, and so I was preparing my speech and the television was on in the background. You saw the first plane crash, and then people came in and started to brief me on it, and then of course it became clear a short time afterwards that this was not simply a terrible accident but was almost certainly a terrorist incident, and then everything changed. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/world/02/september_11/where_were_you_when/html/11.stm "

Bush:

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"BUSH: Well, Jordan (ph), you're not going to believe what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- actually I was in a classroom talking about a reading program that works. And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself, and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident." But I was whisked off there -- I didn't have much time to think about it, and I was sitting in the classroom, and Andy Card, my chief who was sitting over here walked in and said, "A second plane has hit the tower. America's under attack." http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0112/04/se.04.html"

Nah, this couldn't mean anything either...just crazy "conspiracy theorist" mumbo jumbo. [puts head in sand]

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 2:40 AM. Reason : ..]

2/11/2004 2:38:40 AM

The two planes hit about 20 minutes apart. Dont you think in 20 minutes when a plane hits the tower, the media can come up with a video? We also know our president isn't very good with conveying thoughts verbaly. Allow me to adjust his statement for you:

"And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw [that] an airplane [had] hit the tower"

As for tony blair's statement, can you tell me at what point he was takling about? When did the video feeds and information start getting to Brittain? I want the exact time that information on this started appearing in the UK.


And you still haven't answered my question as to why the multinational conspiracy group has failed Conspiracy 101.

2/11/2004 10:22:38 AM

^ possible.. but no footage of the first plane aired on tv until late afternoon sept 12

2/11/2004 10:27:58 AM

You can also derrive that my modifications to the president's statement are more likely than not accurate because of what he says in the next line

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"and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a horrible accident." "

That's not something you say when you actualy see a plane in the process of crashing. "It must have been" is all past tense.

2/11/2004 10:54:26 AM

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"^ possible.. but no footage of the first plane aired on tv until late afternoon sept 12 "

I would like to think the government is able to gain access to video footage well before it makes it to TV. You don't know what closed circuit TV's they are able to get a feed from or what other video lines they are able to get their hands on well before a news agency is able to purchase the rights.

Heck, I would think there are a few cameras that are perminately pointed at the NYC skyline and particularly the towers just because of its grand appeal. I mean shit, look at the crap the NASA channel shows all day, there are cameras for everything. I know that there are several cameras in the Triangle area that look at major landmarks all day long, getting access to something like this would take just a phone call from the government.

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 1:33 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 1:34 PM. Reason : .]

2/11/2004 1:32:21 PM

^ But there are times when the government just gets it's information from CNN and the like. This would probably have been one of those situations.

2/11/2004 2:05:18 PM

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"Somebody find the Boeing 757 that allegedly hit the Penatgon here in the few frames of video the government released... "

i can see it, are you blind?

the plane hit the ground before hitting the building, you can see it in the first frame. the framerate is shitty though, i'll give you that

2/11/2004 3:05:17 PM

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"Assuming the WTC towers fell because of the fire, why did the government quickly haul away the steel to ship it to China for smelting without investigating it? "

what the fuck are you talking about? the steel didnt go anywhere but to the shores of NY and NJ for further investigation and study. and how do i know this? its called actually seeing the mother-fucking twisted steel girders (sp?) from the collapse being hauled away on trucks and passing them on the road in transit to these sites. get your head out of your ass and stop with this conspiracy bullshit. yes you are entitled to what you think and believe and so am I. what it all comes down to is facts though. you havent provided any sources of CREDIBLE reference. you keeop providing these off-the-wall internet sites such as geocities and other lame-ass sites. fact is, they are not qualified to state any kind of "facts" because they were in fact not there when the tragedy occurred or even helped in the investigation.

and by the way, in your shitty video imbedded above, you can see the plane hitting the pentagon, might want to open your eyes to the video and to the REAL world. that is all.

2/11/2004 3:19:51 PM

Watch this video of the collapse of the North tower. It is a fixed camera shot. Note the shaking of the camera before the collapse (suggesting an explosion).

video: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/video%20archive/Shaking%20before%20WTC-1%20collapse.mpg

Source: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/ (contains a number of videos and photographs)


[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 3:46 PM. Reason : ..]

2/11/2004 3:41:26 PM

1 thing i'd like to know, is the person who made that lame-ass site a licensed civil engineer or someone even someone remotely linked to that field? its 1 thing for some tard to put a few pictures up with red arrows all over them and say 1 thing and make people believe it, no matter how ridiculous it is. i want to know how credible this source is, if it is at all.

2/11/2004 3:46:33 PM

Video doesn't work.

And moron, the areas above the impact are going to collapse before the areas below it. If I knock out the support beams in a building, the floors above me are going to collapse before the floors below me do.


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2/11/2004 3:46:43 PM

I see this thread as being rather circular. You have dogmatic conspiracy theorists, who don't have a clear motive yet, and you have the "accept the government story" people, who just believe what the government says. Who here has cited an unbiased source? Newspapers and news agencies would LOVE to make Bush look bad, so they are biased. Scientists for the government want a clean incident.

Furthermore, if Saliburyboy is concerned about losing civil liberties, he ought to vote AGAINST the Democrats, and for the Libertarians...and accept Bush as a compromise like the rest of the Libertarians (me included).

However, if you want to discuss civil liberties, you probably ought to post another thread...this one needs to end...there is nothing new to say, no more evidence to post...in my HUMBLE opinion.

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 10:23 PM. Reason : ;-)]

2/11/2004 10:23:21 PM

I addressed your question (even though it probably wasn't worth answering).

2/11/2004 10:23:27 PM

This clip of the collapse of the North Tower shows two explosive charges going off...look on the right side of the building at the "jets" of debri being thrust out well below the collapse area.

video: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/wtc-1_jets.mpg

2/11/2004 10:36:52 PM

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"“Some 185,101 tons of structural steel have been hauled away from Ground Zero. Most of the steel has been recycled as per the city's decision to swiftly send the wreckage to salvage yards in New Jersey. The city's hasty move has outraged many victims' families who believe the steel should have been examined more thoroughly. Last month, fire experts told Congress that about 80% of the steel was scrapped without being examined because investigators did not have the authority to preserve the wreckage.” N.Y. Daily News, 4/16/02 http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/"

2/11/2004 10:43:43 PM

You didn't answer the question you dodged it.


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2/11/2004 10:52:15 PM

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"America's most controversial writer Gore Vidal has launched the most scathing attack to date on George W Bush's Presidency, calling for an investigation into the events of 9/11 to discover whether the Bush administration deliberately chose not to act on warnings of Al-Qaeda's plans. Vidal's highly controversial 7000 word polemic titled 'The Enemy Within' - published in the print edition of The Observer today - argues that what he calls a 'Bush junta' used the terrorist attacks as a pretext to enact a pre-existing agenda to invade Afghanistan and crack down on civil liberties at home. ... At the heart of the essay are questions about the events of 9/11 itself and the two hours after the planes were hijacked. Vidal writes that 'astonished military experts cannot fathom why the government's "automatic standard order of procedure in the event of a hijacking" was not followed'. These procedures, says Vidal, determine that fighter planes should automatically be sent aloft as soon as a plane has deviated from its flight plan. Presidential authority is not required until a plane is to be shot down. But, on 11 September, no decision to start launching planes was taken until 9.40am, eighty minutes after air controllers first knew that Flight 11 had been hijacked and fifty minutes after the first plane had struck the North Tower. 'By law, the fighters should have been up at around 8.15. If they had, all the hijacked planes might have been diverted and shot down.' http://observer.guardian.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,819931,00.html"

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 11:13 PM. Reason : --]

2/11/2004 11:07:51 PM

again, using the same hole-in-the wall freakin site as a reference with the webmaster having absolutely no affiliation with a credible engineering/construction firm to accurately make conclusions on what really happened. once again, any tard can post a few pics with arrows on them to say that "explosive charges" were ignited before the collapse. whatever man. just get off it. no one is buying your bullshit and this thread has continued long enough. you have all kinds of patriotic pictures in your photo gallery but i think you are nothing but a conspiracy theorist and you are anything but a patriot.

also, i think 1337 is hinting at, and correct me if i'm wrong, is that 1 basic teaching of conspiracy 101 is for the government in question to find the theorist and to shut him up by any means possible, including lethal means so that his message is not heard by the general population.

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 11:13 PM. Reason : .]

2/11/2004 11:11:20 PM

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"As late as September 13th, General Richard B. Myers, vice-Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, put forward this 'nobody-took-action-because-nobody-knew' line. This was in response to questions from Senators during Myers' nomination hearing to be head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Here's what Myers said: "MYERS: When it became clear what the threat was, we did scramble fighter aircraft...That order, to the best of my knowledge, was after the Pentagon was struck." -- Sept. 13th hearing (3) http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/calif2.htm"

So, the government didn't know this was a "threat" until after the Pentagon was hit...THEN they decided it would be nice to scramble fighter jets.



As Jim Traficant would say..."beam me up!"

2/11/2004 11:21:13 PM

it is all part of the peak oil conspiracy

2/11/2004 11:29:17 PM

New York Press article:

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"Condoleezza Rice’s preposterous May 16, 2002, statement that no one could have foreseen this scenario was particularly ironic given that Pacifica Radio identified her that day as the source of San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown’s "airport security" call warning him not to fly on Black Tuesday. The internet is boiling with analyses of the 9/11 event. In Europe, a fair number of people believe the American government was complicit in the attacks. According to recent polls, one-third of young Germans believe this. Print and broadcast media here ignore the questions, but it can’t be kept from public view forever. It’s all out there. It’s been two years, and we still have nothing but questions and Grassy Knoll theories. The answers lay scattered in shreds and pieces, waiting to be assembled. Now come the widows, asking the right questions. Mariani’s lawyer, Phil Berg, makes a point to remind people that he is not in the least bit suicidal, or given to playing with loaded guns. They may not be able to reassemble or reanimate their loved ones in a literal sense, but these families who are choosing the hard road, the Narrow Way, will get to the truth. http://www.nypress.com/16/53/news&columns/feature.cfm"

[Edited on February 11, 2004 at 11:47 PM. Reason : ..]

2/11/2004 11:45:37 PM

CBS News article:

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"For the first time, the chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/12/17/eveningnews/main589137.shtml"

2/11/2004 11:50:29 PM

^ no fuckin shit detective, of course sept 11 could have and should have been prevented.

2/11/2004 11:57:55 PM

HOLY FUCK YOU"RE A DUMB SHIT!

Do you even READ the crap you post?

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"So, the government didn't know this was a "threat" until after the Pentagon was hit...THEN they decided it would be nice to scramble fighter jets."

That isn't what he said at all in any way shape or form. He said:

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"MYERS: When it became clear what the threat was, we did scramble fighter aircraft...That order, to the best of my knowledge, was after the Pentagon was struck"

IOW: When they knew what exactly they were facing.

fucking moron.

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"For the first time, the chairman of the independent commission investigating the Sept. 11 attacks is saying publicly that 9/11 could have and should have been prevented, reports CBS News Correspondent Randall Pinkston"

NO SHIT?!?!?!?! AND THE FUCKING SINKING OF THE TITANIC SHOULD HAVE AND COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. SO FUCKING WHAT? GOD DAMN YOU ARE THE DUMBEST PIECE OF SHIT TO GRACE THIS EARTH. EVEN STEVE IS MORE INTELLIGENT THAN YOU ARE.



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ANSWER THE GOD DAMNED QUESTION YOU FUCK ASS.

2/12/2004 12:09:00 AM

Jeez, answer his question already Salisbury, the huge amounts of bold are hurting my eyes, and he ain't just gonna stop.

2/12/2004 12:11:18 AM

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"A few years back Harold Evans of the London Sunday Times, observed that the challenge facing American newspapers "is not to stay in business -- it is to stay in journalism.'' As corporations' authoritarian, profit-driven consciousness comes to dominate both media and governance, you can expect a lot more serial celebrity scandals and even less news on the way things work or anything that really counts. http://www.rense.com/general45/vanishes.htm"

2/12/2004 12:19:24 AM