Sepinwall was on Rome today

6/11/2007 3:21:54 PM

Rome?!?

6/11/2007 3:36:44 PM

SO......who thinks there will be a movie?

6/11/2007 3:50:06 PM

What purpose would a movie serve at this point? The mob war is over. The only major loose ends are Sil's coma and Tony's pending indictment.

I don't want to watch a movie about Tony Soprano's legal proceedings.

I wouldn't mind a new Sopranos game for the Xbox 360 though.

6/11/2007 3:54:06 PM

yeah, there isn't going to be a movie. i think they could throw all the money in the world at chase, but he ended it the way he wanted to all along. its done


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6/11/2007 3:59:54 PM

Yeah, I don't think there will be a movie either. I got friends that think there will be one, and the pissed off ones due to the ending last night are already boycotting it Just wanting to hear more thoughts on it.

6/11/2007 4:07:38 PM

^ I just re-read my post. I wasn't trying to be a dick. Sorry if it sounded like that.

6/11/2007 4:08:31 PM

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"Also circulating the internets is that there were two feeds of the ending of the show...some people's last shot was of Tony (which was mine), a lot of others are claiming that they saw Meadow as the last shot. Which was yours? "

the last shot for me was from Tony's side of the table looking at a menu.

there won't be a movie, unless it focuses on the really early years of Tony before Season 1 ever took place.

6/11/2007 4:10:09 PM

a movie could expound on meadow and anthony jr. and deal with tony's legal proceedings.

maybe a hit on carlo

and maybe the merger of new york and north jersey. but i just don't see it happening

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6/11/2007 4:11:44 PM

Mr. Joshua not at all! didn't think it in the least bit

6/11/2007 4:18:23 PM

I don't think there will be a movie. I'm $ure some of the ca$t would like to do it but I just don't think Chase is interested based on what I have read.

6/11/2007 5:03:31 PM

the cat was an interesting part of this episode. whoever said it represents adriana is on to something.

-the cat staring at the picture of chris represents adriana's adoration for chris. when paulie got promoted to captain he was still preoccupied with his own mortality, thats why the cat staring at chris creeped him out. i lol that he is still being outstaged by a dead guy, a picture no less.
-paulie refers to the cat as a snake with fur, which is thematically equivalent to being a traitor/informant/rat. also back in season 3, there is a scene in which paulie sniffs ade's panties. it was creepy but i find it to be significant in describing what paulie thought of adriana, and how he never respected her or chris.
-once again we have the theme of tony caring for and protecting animals. him keeping the cat may refer to his feelings for her in season 5.
-interesting to note how tony says the cat is there to catch rats. if it represents ade then the cat itself is the rat. or it may represent a blurry spot concerning justice and loyalty--agent harris anyone? exactly who's side is he on? we can't tell, but tony saving the cat could symbolize him cooperating with harris on the terror issues. it would also explain paulie's snake in fur comment relating to harris playing both sides of the law.
-back to the adriana angle this irony may symbolize that no matter how hard tony tries to protect himself from infiltration he will always have those close enough to him who will betray him despite all he has done for them. the logical ending for tony is indictment and he has only himself to blame for that (ala saving the cat from paulie)

or maybe it was just a fucking cat, haha who knows

life goes on

6/11/2007 5:15:59 PM

so is it just me, or are people getting confused between double-parking and parallel parking?

6/11/2007 5:20:51 PM

^yep. when i read that line in the article i thought the same thing

6/11/2007 5:29:47 PM

I just rewatched the diner scene.

Did anyone notice that after pausing on Journey, Tony flips past it and the camera pauses on "I've Gotta Be Me" by Tony Bennett, then he goes back and plays "Don't Stop Believing"?

Most likely (as Agent Harris would say) I'm over reaching.

6/11/2007 6:29:23 PM

Someone got pissed off at the ending and editorialized on the "David Chase" page on Wikipedia.

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"Many regard the final episode of The Sopranos to be the low point of his career, and there is much speculation as to whether Chase will ever recover his reputation."

(The page is locked and no editing is allowed currently due to vandalism.)

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6/11/2007 6:53:54 PM

I saw meadow as the last shot, and every time I see the last shot on the news its Tony.....wtf?

6/11/2007 7:57:07 PM

I like that article linked at the end of page 11 from sfgate....but still the ending to me is bollocks. I didnt want a hail of gunfire, or someone to die, or life goes on even. I just wanted it to end with a visual shot and line to remember. Ya know, this is a TV show. End like a freaking TV show - don't throw out a concept or hand my a cracker jack prize. If you can't end it like a director with vision, then give the camera over to someone that can.

It's not just that though, I'm digressing. I take issue with this season as a whole, and the finale - it just hasnt been very good. The characters are far less intersting, the psycho therapy has been boring. There's been like two good episodes this year...the rest of it was just an expose in dragging all characters that had some semblance of good nature or complexity through the ground. It just got hateful.

This season had its moments and it's better than a lot stuff still on TV - but it doesn't clear it from being downright ambling..

6/11/2007 8:19:41 PM

is it me, or did the guy in the truckers oufit look like robert patrick. Tony caused him to kill himself because of his gambling debts. And also the other guy who was going to bathroom looked like the guy who was in tony's crew but had to kill himself because he didn't want to go into protective custody with the fbi, and wanted his family to keep "living the lifestyle". i took the last part to be just tony continuing to do what he always does, but yet his conscience always haunts him in every aspect of his life. im probably wrong, but thats what i gathered from it.

6/11/2007 8:29:35 PM

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"-the cat staring at the picture of chris represents adriana's adoration for chris. when paulie got promoted to captain he was still preoccupied with his own mortality, thats why the cat staring at chris creeped him out. i lol that he is still being outstaged by a dead guy, a picture no less. "

I started thinking about this a lot at the gym today. When Paulie was telling Tony about how the cat just constantly stared at the picture of Christopher, Tony tried to rationalize it by saying there is probably a dead rat in the wall behind the picture. Maybe this was how Chase was alluding to the notion that Christopher was seriously contemplating becoming a federal informant against his accomplices right before Tony killed him off. The cat was staring at a dead rat after all, which is why he continued to stare at the picture even when it was moved.

6/11/2007 8:36:48 PM

hmm interesting use of metaphor

6/11/2007 9:49:18 PM

^^^ ooooooo good points.

^^ also gg with the dead rat.

6/11/2007 11:56:46 PM

i don't know if i buy this, but it's an interesting take:

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"Tony falls asleep last week in a barren room. No sheets on bed, no alrms clock, nothing. When he apparently wakes up, there are sheets on bed, a mirror, an alarm clock with music going off. None of that was in the end of last week's show. Tony dreams the whole last episode. A.J getting settled, Phil going down and agent harris cheering for him, Meadow becoming a lawyer and getting married. In the end, he sees himself sitting at the table. He is dreaming of having dinner with his family. Its ends when tony wakes up from his great dream. When A.J. says during the episode, "you are all living in a dream", that is a clue. sheets on bed, A.J's comment, and tony seeing himself at the end are all clues that the show really ended last week. This weeks episode was all a dream."

6/12/2007 8:47:29 AM

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"David Chase speaks! Posted by Alan Sepinwall June 11, 2007 10:50PM Categories: The Sopranos What do you do when your TV world ends? You go to dinner, then keep quiet. Sunday night, "Sopranos" creator David Chase took his wife out for dinner in France, where he's fled to avoid "all the Monday morning quarterbacking" about the show's finale. After this exclusive interview, agreed to well before the season began, he intends to go into radio silence, letting the work -- especially the controversial final scene -- speak for itself. "I have no interest in explaining, defending, reinterpreting, or adding to what is there," he says of the final scene. "No one was trying to be audacious, honest to God," he adds. "We did what we thought we had to do. No one was trying to blow people's minds, or thinking, 'Wow, this'll (tick) them off.' People get the impression that you're trying to (mess) with them and it's not true. You're trying to entertain them." In that scene, mob boss Tony Soprano waited at a Bloomfield ice cream parlor for his family to arrive, one by one. What was a seemingly benign family outing was shot and cut as the preamble to a tragedy, with Tony suspiciously eyeing one patron after another, the camera dwelling a little too long on Meadow's parallel parking and a man in a Members Only jacket's walk to the men's room. Just as the tension had been ratched up to unbearable levels, the series cut to black in mid-scene (and mid song) with no resolution. "Anybody who wants to watch it, it's all there," says Chase, 61, who based the series in general (and Tony's relationship with mother Livia specifically) on his North Caldwell childhood. Some fans have already assumed that the ambiguous ending was Chase setting up the oft-rumored "Sopranos" movie, but that doesn't seem to be in the cards. "I don't think about (a movie) much," he says. "I never say never. An idea could pop into my head where I would go, 'Wow, that would make a great movie,' but I doubt it. "I'm not being coy," he adds. "If something appeared that really made a good 'Sopranos' movie and you could invest in it and everybody else wanted to do it, I would do it. But I think we've kind of said it and done it." Another problem: over the last season, Chase killed so many key characters. He's toyed with the idea of "going back to a day in 2006 that you didn't see, but then (Tony's children) would be older than they were then and you would know that Tony doesn't get killed. It's got problems." (Earlier in the interview, he notes that his favorite part of the show was often the characters telling stories about the good ol' days of Tony's parents. Just a guess, but if Chase ever does a movie spin-off, it'll be set in Newark in the '60s.) Since Chase is declining to offer his interpretation of the final scene, let me present two more of my own, which came to me with a good night's sleep and a lot of helpful reader e-mails: Theory No. 1 (and the one I prefer): Chase is using the final scene to place the viewer into Tony's mindset. This is how he sees the world: every open door, every person walking past him could be coming to kill him, or arrest him, or otherwise harm him or his family. This is his life, even though the paranoia's rarely justified. We end without knowing what Tony's looking at because he never knows what's coming next. Theory No. 2: In the scene on the boat in "Soprano Home Movies," repeated again last week, Bobby Bacala suggests that when you get killed, you don't see it coming. Certainly, our man in the Members Only jacket could have gone to the men's room to prepare for killing Tony (shades of the first "Godfather"), and the picture and sound cut out because Tony's life just did. (Or because we, as viewers, got whacked from our life with the show.) Meanwhile, remember that 21-month hiatus between Seasons Five and Six? That was Chase thinking up the ending. HBO chairman Chris Albrecht came to him after Season Five and suggested thinking up a conclusion to the series; Chase agreed, on the condition that he get "a long break" to decide on an ending. Originally, that ending was supposed to occur last year, but midway through production, the number of episodes was increased, and Chase stretched out certain plot elements while saving the major climaxes for this final batch of 9. "If this had been one season, the Vito storyline would not have been so important," he says. Much of this final season has featured Tony bullying, killing or otherwise alienating the members of his inner circle. After all those years viewing him as "the sympathetic mob boss," were we supposed to, like his therapist Dr. Melfi, finally wake up and smell the sociopath? "From my perspective, there's nothing different about Tony in this season than there ever was," insists Chase. "To me, that's Tony." Chase has had an ambivalent relationship with his fans, particularly the bloodthirsty whacking crowd who seemed to tune in only for the chance to see someone's head get blown off (or run over by an SUV). So was he reluctant to fill last week's penultimate episode, "The Blue Comet," with so many vivid death scenes? "I'm the Number One fan of gangster movies," he says. "Martin Scorsese has no greater devotee than me. Like everyone else, I get off partly on the betrayals, the retributions, the swift justice. But what you come to realize when you do a series is you could be killing straw men all day long. Those murders only have any meaning when you've invested story in them. Otherwise, you might as well watch 'Cleaver.'" One detail about the final scene that he'll discuss, however tentatively: the selection of Journey's "Don't Stop Believin'" as the song on the jukebox. "It didn't take much time at all to pick it, but there was a lot of conversation after the fact. I did something I'd never done before: in the location van, with the crew, I was saying, 'What do you think?' When I said, 'Don't Stop Believin',' people went, 'What? Oh my god!' I said, 'I know, I know, just give a listen,' and little by little, people started coming around." Whether viewers will have a similar time-delayed reaction to the finale as a whole, Chase doesn't know. ("I hear some people were very angry, and others were not, which is what I expected.") He's relaxing in France, then he'll try to make movies. "It's been the greatest career experience of my life," he says. "There's nothing more in TV that I could say or would want to say." Here's Chase on some other points about the finale and the season: -After all the speculation that Agent Harris might turn Tony, instead we saw that Harris had turned, passing along info on Phil's whereabouts and cheering, "We're going to win this thing!" when learning of Phil's demise. "This is based on an actual case of an FBI agent who got a little bit too partisan and excited during the Colombo wars of the '70s," says Chase of the story of Lindley DeVecchio, who supplied Harris' line. -Speaking of Harris, Chase had no problem with never revealing what -- if anything -- terror suspects Muhammed and Ahmed were up to. "This, to me, feels very real," he says. "The majority of these suspects, it's very hard for anybody to know what these people are doing. I don't even think Harris might know where they are. That was sort of the point of it: who knows if they are terrorists or if they're innocent pistachio salesmen? That's the fear that we are living with now." Also, the apocryphal story -- repeated by me, unfortunately -- that Fox, when "Sopranos" was in development there, wanted Chase to have Tony help the FBI catch terrorists, wasn't true. "What I said was, if I had done it at Fox, Tony would have been a gangster by day and helping the FBI by night, but we weren't there long enough for anyone to make that suggestion." -I spent the last couple of weeks wrapping my brain around a theory supplied by reader Sam Lorber (and his daughter Emily) that the nine episodes of this season were each supposed to represent one of the nine circles of Hell from Dante's "The Divine Comedy." Told of the theory, Chase laughed and said, "No." -Since Butchie was introduced as a guy who was pushing Phil to take out Tony, why did he turn on Phil and negotiate peace with Tony? "I think Butch was an intelligent guy, he began to see that there was no need for it, that Phil's feelings were all caught up in what was esentially a convoluted personal grudge." -Not from Chase, but I feel the need to debunk the e-mail that's making the rounds about all the Holsten's patrons being characters from earlier in the series. The actor playing Member's Only guy had never been on the show before, Tony killed at least, one if not both of his carjackers, and there are about 17 other things wrong with this popular but incorrect theory. Alan Sepinwall may be reached "

Pretty good stuff

6/12/2007 8:50:00 AM

I think this should be bolded

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"Another problem: over the last season, Chase killed so many key characters. He's toyed with the idea of "going back to a day in 2006 that you didn't see, but then (Tony's children) would be older than they were then and you would know that Tony doesn't get killed. It's got problems." "

uhhh...........

oh yeah, story I was forwarded about the Members Only Guy

http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/news/111-06092007-1360360.html

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"Slice of mob life By ANDY VINEBERG Bucks County Courier Times After eight years and 86 episodes, the ultimate fate of fictional New Jersey crime boss Tony Soprano might be determined by a pizza shop owner from Penndel. Paolo Colandrea, owner of Paul's Penndel Pizza, last month filmed a potentially pivotal scene for the final episode of “The Sopranos,” the groundbreaking HBO mob drama that says goodbye at 9 Sunday night. Colandrea, 47, describes his role as simply “mystery man,” a guy who walks into a diner and locks eyes ominously with Tony, who's sitting at a table with wife, Carmela, and son, A.J. Colandrea sits down at the counter, stares at Tony again, gets up to go the bathroom, and ... He can't say what happens next. But even if he could, it might not mean a thing. “Sopranos” creator David Chase reportedly filmed three different endings to ensure secrecy. Colandrea, who spent 18 hours on the set one day and 10 hours two weeks later, doesn't even know if his scene will appear. “I don't know. Nobody knows,” the charming Italian said while sitting in the restaurant he's owned since emigrating from Naples in 1978. “They keep it so closed, not even the cast knows all that's going to happen. I can assume, but I don't know.” Colandrea, who doesn't have any lines, filmed his scene at Holsten's Diner in Bloomfield, N.J. Off camera, he said he mingled with series stars James Gandolfini (Tony) and Edie Falco (Carmela) and met Robert Iler (A.J.) and Chase. During his first day of filming, he shared a sushi dinner with Gandolfini, Falco and the crew. “He's such a nice guy, just an unbelievable person,” Colandrea says of Gandolfini. “And Edie Falco, she's the sweetest woman you ever want to meet.” Colandrea, who earned more than $3,000 (before taxes) for his role, also saw Jamie-Lynn Sigler (Meadow) on the set but didn't talk to her. “She's so gorgeous,” he said. “She has bodyguards with her, but I don't blame her.” So how does a pizza shop owner with no previous acting experience land a role on the final episode of the most acclaimed program in cable television history? Right place, right face, really. Earlier this spring, Eileen DeNobile, owner of the Lawrenceville, N.J.-based Noble Talent Management, was looking for an Italian man, about 6 feet tall, between the ages of 30 and 50, for a part on “The Sopranos.” She stopped into Penndel Pizza for dinner one evening, saw the framed photo of Colandrea pouring a glass of wine and thought she might have found her man. “That's authentic Italian all the way,” said DeNobile, who already knew Colandrea casually. “He certainly looks the part. Plus, we were looking for a person easy to work with, and he's got a great personality, very bubbly.” DeNobile sent the photo and a recommendation to HBO, and Colandrea was invited to audition in New York City, along with 29 others. The audition consisted of performing the actual role as it appeared in the script. A few days later, Chase called Colandrea and asked him to come to North Jersey for a costume fitting. The part was his. “It's unbelievable,” said Colandrea, a fan of the show since its debut in 1999. “For an Italian, it's the experience of a lifetime to be on "The Sopranos.' ” Colandrea, a single father of two daughters, said he plans to watch Sunday's episode with about 100 friends and family members at a cousin's house in Ewing. (“I have to cook for all of them,” he said, smiling.) Meanwhile, he said, “half of Italy” is waiting to hear what happens Sunday night. And if his scene ends up on the cutting-room floor? “Everyone knows there's nothing I can do, that it's out of my power,” Colandrea said. “But I'm thinking, "Why make me go up again after two weeks if they're not going to use me?' I'm keeping my fingers crossed.” Andy Vineberg can be reached at 215-949-4135 or avineberg@phillyBurbs.com. "

and final thought...Members Only was also the name of the episode when Junior shot Tony

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6/12/2007 9:23:01 AM

^all he means is if you go back in time a year for a movie, you've already seen the year after when the movie is set so it'd be obvious that tony won't be killed in the movie.

and this is the first explanation i've read that actually makes sense, and really it makes a lot of sense:

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""Tony falls asleep last week in a barren room. No sheets on bed, no alrms clock, nothing. When he apparently wakes up, there are sheets on bed, a mirror, an alarm clock with music going off. None of that was in the end of last week's show. Tony dreams the whole last episode. A.J getting settled, Phil going down and agent harris cheering for him, Meadow becoming a lawyer and getting married. In the end, he sees himself sitting at the table. He is dreaming of having dinner with his family. Its ends when tony wakes up from his great dream. When A.J. says during the episode, "you are all living in a dream", that is a clue. sheets on bed, A.J's comment, and tony seeing himself at the end are all clues that the show really ended last week. This weeks episode was all a dream.""

the way he wakes up, the seeing himself with the different shirt, the cat (his guilt over chris), the whole diner scene in general where he is paranoid and eying everyone suspiciously and especially the black-out at the end of the episode. that's how dreams always end, at least for me. right in the middle of em you just wake up and the dream goes to black and it's back to reality. it most definitely makes sense. and think about it, ending it with and entire episode of dreaming is very fitting when you look at the history of the series. we were due for that in the last several episodes. i like that theory.

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6/12/2007 9:43:08 AM

that sounds on point to me

i knew the different shirt vision had some meaning

6/12/2007 10:54:18 AM

they never say it's the next day when he wakes up.

for all we know it is two or three days later. They have a funeral for bobby that day, I believe, so I doubt seriously that it was the next day

6/12/2007 10:58:20 AM

good point.

6/12/2007 11:23:08 AM

Man, I just saw Phil get whacked just now on Youtube. Unreal. His wife was stupid to keep the car in drive, but when you just see your husband get capped at point blank range, it'll make you do crazy things.

6/12/2007 11:41:36 AM

In regards to the different shirt...When I watched the episode last night I missed the second shot, but I read on the HBO boards that when Tony goes into the restaurant he is wearing a jacket and then takes the jacket off when he gets to the table, so it is sitting beside him.

Regarding the theory that the entire episode was a dream: I buy that, in a way...not as much as I buy Member's Only creeping out of the bathroom and shooting T, or nothing happening but a glimpse into a mobster's paranoia...but I buy it.

The main evidence supporting the dream theory for me is when Tony tells Carm about the endictments at the restaurant. Number one, why would Tony tell her that? He has never given any type of information like that to her...and the way it was stated to her suggested that they had previously talked about it. Number two, Carm's reaction is mild, to say the least. The information that her husband is probably about to go through a very long and public trial doesn't really shake her in a way that other devastating news has in the past (i.e. Christopher's death, Bobby's death, T's shooting, etc.) Edie Falco's main calling card as an actress in the series has come when Carm receives upsetting news (Emmy quality stuff). I would qualify T's empending trial upsetting news...and it rolls of her back. Somewhat dream-like.

The main evidence for debunking the dream theory is there are some big holes in the whole "waking up in the room with all the sheets and an alarm clock, etc." I was under the impression that a significant amount of time has passed between the "Blue Comet" and "Made in America" episodes. Just because we see Tony going to sleep at the end of one and waking up in the other, doesn't mean that that was one night's sleep. Further evidence of this how bored the crew is in the safehouse. I mean, more than one night had to have passed...leaving plenty of time to have sheets on the bed and an alarm clock in the room. Who is to say that he's not asleep in a totally different room?

Again, I repeat, THIS is why this episode was amazing.

6/12/2007 11:49:13 AM

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"In regards to the different shirt...When I watched the episode last night I missed the second shot, but I read on the HBO boards that when Tony goes into the restaurant he is wearing a jacket and then takes the jacket off when he gets to the table, so it is sitting beside him."

he's clearly wearing a grey buttondown when visiting junior and when he gets to the restaurant

the striped shirt he is wearing at the table is completely different and has no jacket beside him

6/12/2007 1:01:08 PM

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"for all we know it is two or three days later. They have a funeral for bobby that day, I believe, so I doubt seriously that it was the next day"

other people were complaining about his multiple excuses on other days for not visiting Silvio in the hospital, and Phil had enough time to get pissed off about them not finding Tony yet. I think it was a few days in between the two episodes.

6/12/2007 1:39:37 PM

waking up at the beginning and it seeming like a different room is at the very bottom of the list of reasons why i think it was all a dream. really that has nothing to do with it. and yeah, i agree that it is most likely a few days later. in fact i'm not sure i can remember any situations where an episode will pick up immediately where the previous one left off with no time in between. not sayin it definitely never happened, but in 86 episodes it definitely didn't happen often.

as far as the shirt thing goes, i have dvr and have gone back and watched it again. it's a different shirt. at first you might think it looks like it could be the same shirt without the jacket, but even the collar is different.

i think there is evidence throughout the entire episode that would heavily support the dream theory, but focusing on just the final seconds of the episode alone, the dream theory is the best i've seen in regard to explaining that black-out. putting myself in the director's chair, if i'm going to show tony getting popped from tony's perspective, i'm going to do a better job than that. at the very least, the absolute last image that would be seen by viewers would absolutely HAVE to be from tony's perspective. there is not even any wiggle room on that. how the fuck can you be portraying what it's like to be shot in the head when the last thing we see is tony's face?

additionally, the death from tony's perspective thing is too novel of a concept not to make it clear that was what happened. it is indeed a solid way to end the series with the foreshadowing done in the first episode of the return from break, however i still don't think it's what happened. what i would have done there if i were directing in order to make it look like that is:

the build-up to it works fine, so leave all that, but in the final seconds you would be looking through tony's eyes. then you would see a look of alarm in the face of carm or maybe meadow, possibly a little bit of slow-mo (since chase apparently likes to do that) and then the cut to black. and i'm not at all saying i think i'd be a better director than chase. what i'm saying is that i think chase would have done a better job of making the death theory fit, if that indeed was how he ended tony's story.

but, when i think about how i would have done the final seconds with the dream theory in mind, i can't think of anything i could have done better. it's perfect. down to the last second and the abrupt blackout, it fits perfectly. every other theory i've read, or even perhaps suggested myself, falls short of explaining the way the black-out was done as well as the dream theory.

there was also no shortage of cues from the entire episode as a whole that support the dream theory. i don't have time right now, but i'm going to watch the episode again with that in mind and i'll make a list of reasonable examples and post it later.

[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2007 2:06:34 PM

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"Further evidence of this how bored the crew is in the safehouse. I mean, more than one night had to have passed...leaving plenty of time to have sheets on the bed and an alarm clock in the room. Who is to say that he's not asleep in a totally different room?"

Also it looked like his family was somewhat settled in their new location.

6/12/2007 2:14:32 PM

ncWOLFsu...I don't necessarily think you would see the look of harm from Carmella or anyone if Tony was indeed shot and it ended abruptly like it did. For example, watch Phil Leotardo's death again. He gets shot point blank in the head (which may or may not have happened to Tony) and look at the reaction of his wife, who was right beside him at the time. It takes her a long pause before she realizes that her husband has been shot. Then she freaks out. I'm not saying that is a real life scenario, but that's how it played out within the context of the show.

And to say that you would have done it a certain way to get a certain outcome is totally irrelevant. Chase did it his way and his desired outcome was achieved: the viewer decides. You can go through and watch it a million times over and look for a million clues telling you why it's a dream. But guess what I'll say? It doesn't prove a thing. I can do the same. But we're still two jackasses debating the outcome of a TV show. Nobody's evidence is gospel and shouldn't be presented as such.

[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 2:25 PM. Reason : edit]

6/12/2007 2:23:29 PM

I just went back and rewatched Tony's entrance to the diner in the last scene about 10 times. It's the same shirt. He just takes his jacket off when he gets to the table.

6/12/2007 2:25:21 PM

I just went back and rewatched Tony's entrance to the diner in the last scene about 10 times. It's the same shirt. He just takes his jacket off when he gets to the table.

bada bing

[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 2:30 PM. Reason : i really need to learn how to quote]

6/12/2007 2:29:01 PM

some people change shirts before they go out to dinner

doesn't matter, it was the same shirt.

[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 2:34 PM. Reason : ]

6/12/2007 2:34:10 PM

why does everyone think that guy at the diner kills tony? If he was going to kill him, he would've walked in and shot his ass. It was just some guy. Chase is fucking with you.

6/12/2007 3:34:15 PM

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"I personally hated the episode. Yes, I get the little dynamic or 'trick' of his cracker jack box ending...but that doesnt mean I like it. Sorry, but I've invested over 5 years in subscription fees to HBO and dvd sales, as well as avid viewership to expect some sort of closure in whatever thematic way it wants to be. Instead I get some write your own adventure book, a selfish 'lesson to a viewer's expectations' crap, and a left door bail out hatch for a movie if enough money changes hands. Bullshit."

perfectly put

it was a fucking lazy way out if you ask me and thats why the Sopranos has sucked for the past 2 seasons. Argue with me all you want but Sopranos now vs the first 3 seasons is a fucking joke.

6/12/2007 3:40:11 PM

They pulled some "Lost" shit. I thought HBO has higher standards.

6/12/2007 3:42:10 PM

It is what it is.

6/12/2007 4:18:01 PM

mr lebowski.....The reason why people think this is because earlier Bobby had asked Tony what he thought it would be like to die.....Tony responded "I have always just pictured everything going black" hince that is why Tony was finished

6/12/2007 4:27:22 PM

^ and in addition for me, after learning that the episode where Junior shot Tony was titled "Members Only" and the dudeman was wearing a Members Only jacket...I can only assume



[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 4:37 PM. Reason : ass of u and me]

6/12/2007 4:36:29 PM

prove it, lebowski

6/12/2007 7:52:06 PM

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"mrlebowski: why does everyone think that guy at the diner kills tony? If he was going to kill him, he would've walked in and shot his ass. It was just some guy. Chase is fucking with you."

Agreed.

[Edited on June 12, 2007 at 7:58 PM. Reason : quote]

6/12/2007 7:58:21 PM

it wasn't the same fucking shirt

god damn how fucking blind are you

6/12/2007 11:50:53 PM

definitely not the same shirt.

pretty easy to tell at least that much.

and i know it's irrelevant what i would do. all i was meaning to point out by that information is that i don't think that scene fits the death theory and i do think it fits the dream.

6/13/2007 3:07:17 AM

haha, its the same shirt, you people are blind

6/13/2007 3:08:20 AM