maybe he just knows that a unc law degree has more prestige than an ncsu undergrad degree.

and didn't he go to clemson for a little while for undergrad as well?

5/21/2007 12:35:21 PM

Quote :

"Arab13: he'd be better than the she-male... then again, a rock would be better than it..."

are you talking about hillary?

damn, dude, i'm no Hillary Clinton fan, but it sounds like you have some deep-seated issues regarding your masculinity. Did you father not give you any attention as a young boy?

5/21/2007 3:26:27 PM

this is assuming its not for the cost of travel and logistics for him and his crew?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/sfgate/detail?blogid=14&entry_id=16809

if its just ot line his pockets, its sleazy.

5/21/2007 7:29:55 PM

Quote :

"He commands $100,000 for a speech, not including expenses, which his star-struck clients are happily willing to pay. In one speech last year at Oklahoma State University, Giuliani requested and received travel on a private Gulfstream jet that cost the school $47,000 to operate. His visit essentially wiped out the student speakers annual fund. "

http://www.popmatters.com/pm/news/article/10984/giuliani-speaking-fees-draw-scrutiny/

Quote :

" Former president Bill Clinton, who came to the White House with modest means and left deeply in debt, has collected nearly $40 million in speaking fees over the past six years, according to interviews and financial disclosure statements filed by his wife, Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.). "

http://ballyblog.wordpress.com/2007/02/23/bill-clinton-has-made-40m-on-the-lecture-circuit/

Raising money through speaking is common pratice for politicians. Edwards isn't anywhere near the top earner on the speaking market, but he does alright.

Quote :

"Money in presidential campaigns: history, regulations and problems ... An average day of campaigning can run to $100,000. (New York Times, 6/29/03, based on interviews with various campaign experts)"

http://www.teachablemoment.org/high/election4.html

If thats right, then Edwards high moment of making 55 k for one speech was a bad day if thats all the money he took in.

5/21/2007 8:00:18 PM

Supplanter, can you tell me one thing Edwards did as a North Carolina Senator besides run for President?

5/23/2007 10:17:52 AM

it's not that hard to find these things out. you do realize he was in office for more than four years before he was running for president:

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"During his Senate term Edwards cosponsored 203 bills.[16] He cosponsored Lieberman's S.J.RES.46, the Iraq War Resolution, and also later voted for it in the full Senate to authorize the use of military force against Iraq,[17] but subsequently apologized for that vote. Edwards also supported and voted for the Patriot Act. Among other positions, Edwards generally supported abortion rights, affirmative action, and the death penalty. Among his first sponsored bills was the Fragile X Research Breakthrough Act of 1999.[18] He was also the first person to introduce comprehensive anti-spyware legislation with the Spyware Control and Privacy Protection Act.[19] He also advocated rolling back the Bush administration's tax cuts and ending mandatory minimum sentencing for non-violent offenders.[20] Edwards supported the expansion of the H-1B visa program to increase the number of work visas for immigrant workers.[21] Edwards generally supported expanding legal immigration to the United States while working with Mexico to provide better border security and stop illegal trafficking.[20][22] "

5/23/2007 10:52:50 AM

so basically:

- Voted for Iraq War
- Voted for Patriot Act
- Bill to research retardation disease
- Anti-spyware Act

doesnt seem like a lot

and I dont consider listing his general stances on issues as doing anything of substance, let alone I wonder how many of his 203 consponsored bills he even read....maybe half of them? maybe?

and of course he's going to politicize Memorial Day

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 11:07 AM. Reason : .]

5/23/2007 11:05:59 AM

a freshman senator isn't going to do a whole lot beyond cosponsor bills and vote.

5/23/2007 11:08:51 AM

^

yet that makes him qualified to run for the office of President of the United States?

5/23/2007 11:19:57 AM

i didn't say that it did.

5/23/2007 11:22:25 AM

^

the question was not just intended for you

5/23/2007 5:40:05 PM

As far as qualifications go. There’s info on wiki, on his website, speeches on youtube, and more in public records elsewhere I’m sure. All of which would be too much to post now. Here is the little bio from the Edwards campaign website, which is of course written in the floweriest language possible.

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"John Edwards was born in Seneca, South Carolina and raised in Robbins, North Carolina, a small town in the Piedmont. There John learned the values of hard work and perseverance from his father, Wallace, who worked in the textile mills for 36 years, and from his mother, Bobbie, who ran a shop and worked at the post office. Working alongside his father at the mill, John developed his strong belief that all Americans deserve an equal opportunity to succeed and be heard. A proud product of public schools, John became the first person in his family to attend college. He worked his way through North Carolina State University where he graduated with high honors in 1974, and then earned a law degree with honors in 1977 from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. For the next 20 years, John dedicated his career to representing families and children just like the families he grew up with in Robbins. Standing up against the powerful insurance industry and their armies of lawyers, John helped these families through the darkest moments of their lives to overcome tremendous challenges. His passionate advocacy for people like the folks who worked in the mill with his father earned him respect and recognition across the country. In 1998, John took this commitment into politics to give a voice in the United States Senate to the people he had represented throughout his career. He ran for the Senate and won, defeating an incumbent Senator. In Congress, Senator Edwards quickly emerged as a champion for the issues that make a difference to American families: quality health care, better schools, protecting civil liberties, preserving the environment, saving Social Security and Medicare, and reforming the ways campaigns are financed. As a member of the Select Committee on Intelligence, Senator Edwards worked tirelessly for a strong national defense and to strengthen the security of our homeland. He authored key pieces of legislation on cyber, bio, and port security. Senator Edwards brought a positive message of change to the 2004 presidential primaries. During the primary season he spoke about the two Americas that exist in our country today: one for people at the top who have everything they need and one for everybody else who struggle to get by. This powerful message resonated with voters all across America. After the Democratic primaries, Senator John Kerry picked Senator Edwards to serve as his running mate in the 2004 general election, and Senator Edwards crisscrossed the country and campaigned tirelessly on Senator Kerry's behalf. He is the former Director of the Center on Poverty, Work, and Opportunity at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Senator Edwards and his wife, Elizabeth, whom he met when both were law students at Chapel Hill, were married in 1977. They have had four children, including: their eldest daughter, Catharine, who is attending law school; eight-year-old Emma Claire; and a six-year-old son, Jack. Their first child, Wade, died in 1996. "

Also the location search here brings up like 20 anti-Iraq war events in NC over the next few days & more elsewhere.

http://www.supportthetroopsendthewar.com/

Some of the locations are Durham, Raleigh, Lillington, Greensboro, Summerfield, Raeford, Charlotte, Wilmington and there were more NC locations as well.

[Edited on May 23, 2007 at 7:25 PM. Reason : .]

5/23/2007 7:06:58 PM

Quote :

"Edwards goes out on a limb In a bold statement, Democratic White House contender John Edwards Tuesday ruled out the possibility of a robot or space alien someday becoming president of the United States. At the same time, he also settled the long-standing debate over whether President William Howard Taft was, in fact, a bear. “All of us are human,” the former senator from North Carolina told Matt Lauer on NBC’s “Today Show.” “We never had a president who wasn’t. We’re never going to have one who isn’t.”"

5/24/2007 10:36:08 AM

nah, i just really despise hillary clinton

5/24/2007 10:40:49 AM

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/05/23/democrats.dilemma/index.html

Quote :

"Dems in tough spot with war funding bill WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Democrats in Congress face a tough decision on a bill funding the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that does not include a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops. Vote "yes," and they are certain to face the wrath of anti-war forces in their political base. Vote "no," and they may further delay funding for military operations, in turn exposing themselves to the charge that they don't support the troops. ... At a press conference on an immigration bill, Sen. Hillary Clinton of New York deflected a question about how she would vote when the Iraq funding bill comes to the floor Thursday, saying the query was off subject. As she left the event, she again declined to answer, saying she had not seen the final version of the bill. Reminded that the bill would not include timetables, she responded with some frustration, "When I have something to say, I'll say it, gentlemen." ... Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois had a similar response, telling reporters that he hadn't "seen a final product" and didn't want to comment "until I do." "I actually want to read the provisions before making a statement on it," he said. "Alright?" ... Former Sen. John Edwards, who is running third in the polls behind Clinton and Obama, sought to ratchet up the pressure on the front-runners to oppose the bill, denouncing it as a "capitulation" to Bush. "What I'm asking is for the Congress to stand its ground, to do what it needs to do for America," Edwards told CNN's "The Situation Room." "This is not about politics. It's about life and death." When he was in the Senate in 2003, Edwards voted for the resolution authorizing President Bush to take military action in Iraq, but he now says that vote was a mistake. "

For whatever other reasons you might like or dislike Edwards... he's the only one of the top 3 not saying "no comment" and instead dealing something no one else will say yes or no on b/c its too unpopular.

5/24/2007 10:53:23 AM

He's also the only one lying his ass off by saying the issue is not about politics

5/24/2007 10:57:23 AM

Quote :

"he's the only one of the top 3 not saying "no comment" and instead dealing something no one else will say yes or no on b/c its too unpopular."

He's the only one of the top 3 who doesn't have to vote on it.

C'mon, you should know how this works. Hillary and Obama aren't leaders in the senate. When they are told to vote on something as important as a war funding bill, they do what they are told. That's how politics works.

5/24/2007 11:01:29 AM

Quote :

" For whatever other reasons you might like or dislike Edwards... he's the only one of the top 3 not saying "no comment" and instead dealing something no one else will say yes or no on b/c its too unpopular."

he has to, he's not one of the first-tier candidates

5/24/2007 11:01:51 AM

I'd ask Edwards why he voted for military action in Iraq in the first place if he has so much conviction and doesn't just vote for political reasons

5/24/2007 11:08:25 AM

^

Cuz Bush lied to him, duh!!

[Edited on May 24, 2007 at 12:38 PM. Reason : .]

5/24/2007 12:38:19 PM

Quote :

"For whatever other reasons you might like or dislike Edwards... he's the only one of the top 3 not saying "no comment" and instead dealing something no one else will say yes or no on b/c its too unpopular."

I'm pretty sure that if you're running for the Democratic nomination, calling a vote a "capitulation" is actually the easier way to go--it's red meat for the base. Beyond that, I don't recall Edwards (or Kerry) being definitively against funding when the $87 million spending bill came up initially---I think it took a minute before they came out against it...the burden of being an elected official.

Oh and Obama just came out against the bill on his Twitter account:

Quote :

"Barack Obama: In DC voting No... "We should not give the President a blank check to continue down this same, disastrous path.""

5/24/2007 9:37:57 PM

Isn't Edwards already finished? Why is this thread 12 pages? No one is gonna pick him to run as vice again he doesn't bring anything to the table...

5/24/2007 11:01:46 PM

Former Senator Edwards started out with experience running a national campaign and had some name recognition and has had plenty of time to prepare and think about what he could achieve as pres or vice pres. He has consistently in polls & in the media been considered a part of the top 3. He’s a white christian male from the south which seems to help people get elected. He has some well thought out plans for once he’s in office especially in the area of health care and also with the notion of supporting the troops by bringing them home. He’s raised more money than some of his GOP counterparts like McCain. I firmly believe he will be somewhere on the next democratic ticket.

”Isn't Edwards already finished?”
He’s still out there. Here’s a conglomeration of some of his town hall speeches this weekend.

5/27/2007 10:38:47 AM

This is what he did yesterday, he'll be at the debate tonight which will be free & live on cnn.com at 7



[Edited on June 3, 2007 at 2:19 PM. Reason : .]

6/3/2007 2:18:54 PM

wow what a fake piece of shit

6/3/2007 2:45:24 PM

The debate tonight is in New Hampshire. Edwards is polling 2nd there out of all the democratic candidates.

6/3/2007 4:12:12 PM

Edwards vocally supported Obama for being right on the war from the start. Edwards & Obama vocally supported each other for being the first and second respectively to release a comprehensive healthcare plan and admitting they shared a lot of overlap. They’ve both been for the idea of supporting our troops by bringing them home. They aren’t exactly alike, but could balance each other well.

And while there are a few things about Hillary I like, my ideal ticket composed out of people from the top 3 does not include her.

6/3/2007 9:17:09 PM

Seemed like it was fluff free until he called them "brothers and sisters".

6/4/2007 8:01:46 AM

Quote :

"Dear Jake, We're throwing a party for John Edwards this Sunday! John is turning 54 and wanted to be home in Chapel Hill to have a Sunday picnic-party with all of you. Space is limited, so I hope you sign up to reserve your spot right away! Here are the details: What: "Small Change for Big Change" grassroots fundraiser with John Edwards and you Where: Best Western University Inn, 1310 Raleigh Road (54 Hwy East), Chapel Hill, NC 27515. When: Sunday, June 10th, 5 PM – 7 PM. RSVP online to reserve your spot at: http://johnedwards.com/r/16378/813727/ This is an important event, because it's part of our "Small Change for Big Change" grassroots fundraiser series -- but more importantly, its John’s birthday and we want to celebrate it with all of you. There will be entertainment, popcorn, a pig roast and of course, pie. Running a campaign in this day and age is a very expensive operation. But this is not your typical fundraiser – you know, the kind that’s only open to those ready to write huge checks. John’s campaign is built on reaching out to everyone, so he asked his staff to organize this series of grassroots fundraisers for supporters who share our passion but may only be able to spare $25 or $50 dollars. In fact, for this Sunday's event, tickets are just $15 each. John will only turn 54 once and it’ll be a blast to celebrate with him and all of you. We really hope you'll be able to make it. Here's the link again to RSVP and reserve your spot: http://johnedwards.com/r/16380/813727/ Thank you, David Bonior Campaign Manager John Edwards for President"

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"Dear Jake, This Sunday is John's 54th birthday, and his mother Bobbie and I are working on a gift that only all of you can give: 10,000 people stepping forward to support the campaign by Sunday. Over 4,000 of you have already contributed. We're nearly halfway there! If you haven't contributed yet, now's the time to support John's campaign and make sure we have the resources we need to win. And don't forget: Bobbie's agreed to send you her old family recipe for pecan pie if you can donate before John's birthday on Sunday! To make your donation and see our friends Joe Trippi and Jonathan Prince demonstrate how NOT to make a pie, (it's really worth watching) just click below: http://www.johnedwards.com/recipe Did you catch the debate last Sunday night? John really did an amazing job and reminded us all why this campaign is so worth fighting for. Of course I'm biased, so don't take my word for it: Daily Kos readers voted John the winner, and major media commentators from all kinds of places praised his performance, from CNN to the Des Moines Register. As a columnist for the New York Daily News put it: "Edwards wins with 1 word: Leadership." And it's not just the media: In a televised focus group, Democratic voters from New Hampshire chose John as the winner and many went from being undecided to committed supporters. The country really got to see the best of John. His bold, specific ideas and clear convictions carried the night. Needless to say, I am very proud – and you should be too. And the best way you can support this campaign right now is helping us reach our goal of 10,000 contributions by Sunday. It isn't about how much you give but how many of us do. Give $6.10, $19.53 or $54 and help celebrate John's birthday this Sunday. http://www.johnedwards.com/recipe Thank you for all your support, Elizabeth Edwards "

I'm trying to decide whether or not to go to the event. I think Edwards did some good work on closing the gap between him & Hillary in NH (he was already ahead of Obama there), but I'm not sure I'd call anyone a straight up winner of the democratic debate like they did.

[Edited on June 6, 2007 at 10:56 PM. Reason : also there's this if anyone wants to join http://groups.myspace.com/EdwardsObama08]

6/6/2007 10:54:22 PM

if it wasn't for the fact that he has no foreign policy experience, advocates the healthcare equivalent of the public school system (universal healthcare), and used to be an ambulance chaser, I might actually vote for the guy

of course I would still take him over that frigid bitch hilary
if she changes accents one more time so help me

6/6/2007 11:57:52 PM

Quote :

"Democrats note that Edwards's foreign policy experience matches or exceeds the credentials of Bush, Bill Clinton, Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter when they were nominees. "He understood in the post-9/11 world his national security credentials would be challenged from the get-go," Holbrooke said, adding that Edwards tried to avoid being pulled too far left during the primaries. "He was very thoughtful in trying to find a balance in national security priorities and how to present them effectively" as former Vermont governor Howard Dean appeared to be running away with the nomination. To gain first-hand foreign experience, Edwards toured Israel and Egypt in 2001. As part of a tour to South and Central Asia, Edwards traveled to Afghanistan in 2002 shortly after the U.S.-led war to oust the ruling Taliban and destroy Osama bin Laden's al Qaeda camps. He also visited Britain and twice visited NATO headquarters, in 2002 and 2004. He has met with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Afghan President Hamid Karzai and Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, campaign aides said. "He was hungry for some foreign policy exposure and experience," Drozdiak said. "I was fairly skeptical. I expected a lightweight, but I came away with a favorable impression. He asked a lot of smart questions and actually listened, which is not a noteworthy quality of the Bush people." Edwards surprised participants in 2002 meetings with European Union foreign policy chief Javier Solana and European foreign policy experts, said William Drozdiak, executive director of the Transatlantic Center of the German Marshall Fund who helped organize the Brussels sessions. "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A37644-2004Jul8.html

That was in 2004 from a washington post article called "Edwards Sets Self Apart on Foreign Policy" and I'm sure he's had more experience since then.


Senator Edwards and British Prime Minister Tony Blair

Quote :

"Edwards was co-chair of a Council on Foreign Relations task force on United States-Russia relations alongside Republican Jack Kemp, a former congressman, Cabinet official, and vice presidential nominee.[37] The task force issued its report in March 2006.[38] On July 12, the International Herald Tribune published a related op-ed by Edwards and Kemp."

-wiki


Senator Edwards and former Congressman Jack Kemp in Red Square

6/7/2007 8:15:06 AM

I saw this thread and my first thought was that it was a joke/sarcastic

6/7/2007 8:33:27 AM

^ No, it's not. Supplanter is in love.

6/7/2007 6:39:26 PM

^^^ all right

Not that you're winning anyone over by saying he's better than Bush and Clinton when it comes to foreign policy.

Clinton just sat around and got blown by lewinsky while rowandans were being slaughtered and al qaeda was sharpening its teeth by blowing up our embassies.

I Wish Bush would have just sat around and done the same...at least he would have only made a mess of his secretary's dress rather than our credibility/security in the rest of the world.

But for the sake of my time, let's pretend I agree with what you have there.

What about the healthcare?

6/7/2007 7:43:11 PM

For Supplanter's early consumption: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/06/10/magazine/10edwards-t.html

6/9/2007 12:57:45 AM

“Supplanter is in love.”

I've gone to multiple rallies, and donated to the campaign multiple times. I’m not in love, but I’ve zeroed in on my favorite candidate. It would take a major mishap in their campaign, or something really great from one of the other campaigns to change my mind now. I just got into election mode early and have compared campaigns platforms before most of my coworkers have even heard of who is running.

Not that anything I just said will withstand the criticism that will come from this pic from early today at Edwards b-day party.



It was kind of fun though to do the whole shaking hands, talking to the guy briefly, watching politicians kissing babies, hearing people tell him stories about driving 8 hours to tell him about how the poor health care conditions where they come from, and getting the campaign sign signed.

I liked hearing the whole “I’ll close gitmo & stop undue spying on american’s my first day in office” thing, and put an end to the iraq war (although I assume obviously not on the 1st day).

Elizabeth was a pretty good speaker too. I liked their focus on keeping the grassroots elements going & having an event that’s affordable to the general public rather than something where you have to pay tons of $ to have a pres candidate’s ear.

6/10/2007 8:23:57 PM

supplanter, youve choosen your candidate and support him. Dont mind the others. I think its great when people get involved in politics. The more, the better.

I dont really care for any of the dems, mainly bc of thier socialized medicine plans. I find it funny someone drives 6 hours to tell of the horrors of healthcare. I doubt johnny boy mentioned the wait times and taxes they can look forward to. The Uk has half of their wait time for referrals and begining of treatment down to 18 weeks. And a goal of getting everyone under the 18 week wait by the end of 08. Yeah, american will love that. Its too bad people dont research anything anymore. Its no wonder why we are bombarded with political attack ads, bc thats all it takes for some to make thier choices....very sad.

Kudos to you for getting involved though.

[Edited on June 10, 2007 at 9:05 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2007 9:05:00 PM

I think it’s great that he wants change for the better in the healthcare system, he won’t get exactly what he wants though, but atleast he can bring attention to it. He can also bring more attention to Darfur, poverty, & global warming and things like that.

He did make an interesting point on how many of the causes he cares about are connected. The less we rely on oil and work on making cleaner energy more affordable, the less we rely on the middle east. The cleaner energy options like growing corn, harvesting wind energy ect, require alot of undeveloped land, which the US has, but alot of europe will have to look elsewhere... like africa where economic development can help solve other problems.

Healthcare will require more congressional approval… I like the more commander in chief type decisions like working our way out of iraq, stopping spying on Americans, ending torture & gitmo.

[Edited on June 10, 2007 at 9:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/10/2007 9:25:49 PM

Quote :

"This is it— with 10 days left in the second quarter, we're about two-thirds of the way towards our goal of raising $9 million—double what we raised at this time in the 2004 race. And I know what you're thinking—my $25 doesn't matter for a hill of beans against all those four-figure checks rolling in to the campaigns. And you'd be right—unless you believe there are thousands of people like you—thousands who support John Edwards' bold vision for America, and who believe that all of us together giving small change can make big change. And there are. Now is the time when you've gotta believe that there are other people out there just like you, giving today. And just like you're counting on them to do their part, they are counting on you to do yours. We are all counting on each other to accomplish our goal. So let's make it happen—give today. http://www.johnedwards.com/action/contribute/form This is not about out-raising our opponents in a meaningless fundraising arms race. This is about executing our plan—raising enough money to push our message in the critical early states, and building our operation around the country. When we started this campaign, we calculated that we would need to raise $40 million by the Iowa caucuses to get our day in the sun in each of the early states and win the nomination. Right now, we're ahead of that pace—but to stay there, we need to reach $9 million by June 30th. And to do that, we need a lot of people to contribute what they can afford. Together, we can turn a lot of small change into big change. Big change on poverty. Big change for middle-class families trying to make ends meet. Big change in Iraq. Big change on health care and halting global warming. Great things are possible—we can build one America. But we gotta believe. And we gotta believe in each other. Our time is now. Together, let's make it happen. Your friend, - Joe Trippi John Edwards for President June 21, 2007 "

It looks like they've set their specific goal now.

6/21/2007 6:30:43 PM

Quote :

"Based on his reporting, Marc Ambinder makes predictions for second quarter presidential campaign fundraising. The Democrats * Sen. Barack Obama: $28M-$35M * Sen. Hillary Clinton: $26M-28M * John Edwards: $8.5M-11M * Gov. BIll Richardson: $3-7M * Sen. Joe Biden: $3-5M * Sen. Chris Dodd: $2-M The Republicans: * Gov. Mitt Romney: $17M-20M * Rudy Giuliani: $14M-17M * Sen. John McCain: $13M-15M * Gov. Mike Huckabee: $2M-4M "

6/21/2007 6:53:14 PM

Its just sad to see someone get so involved when the cause they support is financially incorrect.

If we could get everyone to agree to support financially sound policies.... then limit "democracy" to social agendas then we'd be much better off as a whole.

I'd be willing to side with the democrats on their social views if they'd just drop all of their misguided financial agendas and educate themselves.

I mean it sounds good in practice to make the poor better off by soaking the rich. But ultimately you hurt everyone across the board when you implement poor financial policy. The rich get poorer and the poor get poorer. All it does is make the rich mad and make the poor suffer more. And for some reason the Dems just don't get that because they live in a fairy tale instead of reality.


Which is funny since its the Republicans who live in the whole jesus/bible/fairy tale land when it comes to social agendas...




[Edited on June 21, 2007 at 7:08 PM. Reason : a]

6/21/2007 7:03:27 PM

i was going to respond to you, but I need a translation first.

6/21/2007 8:27:43 PM

It looks like facebook causes are starting to raise a little $ for 'em.

http://apps.facebook.com/causes/view_cause/311?recruiter_id=1621932&fb_from_app_id=2318966938

6/21/2007 10:00:01 PM

^^ sure, what part of my post do i need to dumb down for you?

6/22/2007 6:50:05 PM

Quote :

"If we could get everyone to agree to support financially sound policies.... then limit "democracy" to social agendas then we'd be much better off as a whole"

Ummm, you can't talk about social agendas without talking about money. I suppose you could turn everything into roi, but fortunately, life isn't so black and white as that.

6/22/2007 9:58:28 PM

you can keep gov out of peoples bedrooms, and keep gov from endorsing religion, and several aspects like that without spending alot.

although it is harder to do things like educate children, revamp healthcare, and the like without spending money. although that still might be cheaper than wars, running foreign prisons like gitmo, and spending on surveillance equipment to spy on americans.

6/23/2007 6:52:46 AM

when i refer to social agendas i just mean theres no reason to persecute gay people or worry about fiscally sound policies like abortion.

Obviously something like healthcare blurs the lines because its nice to think about sipping ice tea and having everyone in the world drive a lexus, but in reality national healthcare sucks. However, it might suck less than what we currently have. We have so much excess regulation in place that costs 2-3 times more than the benefits it provides.

6/23/2007 9:55:21 AM

right now they seem to be pulling in about 1 mil a day as they approach the end of the 2nd quarter.

even so, i'm sure hillary is doing vastly better. what with her ability to pull millions at a time from her senate funds and add it to her campaign for pres.

6/23/2007 4:57:13 PM

As far as I know, she pulled what was left of her Senate campaign money into her presidential campaign in the first quarter.

The more relevant point is if she's still in the exploratory phase and if she's getting money from that and donors to her would-be presidential campaign.

[Edited on June 25, 2007 at 2:37 PM. Reason : add]

6/25/2007 2:35:42 PM

Well she seems to still be in the exploratory phase as her website says:

Quote :

"Paid for by Hillary Clinton for President Exploratory Committee"

6/25/2007 7:29:53 PM