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"why on earth are people debating the placement of the lights? they're not in the MIDDLE of the road. "

if you would go back and read.....there are people that know this intersection who have already said this was in the middle of the road

5/18/2007 11:04:37 AM

we don't know for sure yet if she was drunk

since she's 20, she could have blown a .01 and still gotten a dwi

5/18/2007 11:07:41 AM

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"that intersection has a bunch of weird angels for one thing...so i see a drunk person not knowin wtf is going on....and there is a median b/w the left turning lanes and the straight lanes, and the red light photo camera is on that median b/w the lanes...so she probably was going thru the straight lanes...tried to turn left and hit the camera""

5/18/2007 11:08:46 AM

that doesn't sound that complicated to me. lame.

5/18/2007 11:10:34 AM

I don't know, if I saw some weird angels in the road, I would definitely swerve to avoid them.

5/18/2007 11:11:44 AM

seriously me too... maybe they were there to get her.

5/18/2007 11:12:24 AM

I dont know if this has been said or not in this thread (and I'm not going to scan every page), but did Danielle walk away from the crash uninjured?

5/18/2007 11:13:00 AM

thats me reposting / quoting so...

5/18/2007 11:13:59 AM

^^ i would assume so, since she's in jail

possibly she was taken to the hospital to be checked out, then to jail

5/18/2007 11:15:42 AM

not pickin on you gunzz i know its control-c 'ed

5/18/2007 11:16:24 AM

5/18/2007 11:17:56 AM

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"we don't know for sure yet if she was drunk since she's 20, she could have blown a .01 and still gotten a dwi"

the only sober people who regularly slam into shit like poles, red light cameras, etc. are asian females, and this danielle bitch does not look like an asian to me. She may not have been ostensibly trashed, but there's no way in hell she was anywhere near sober.

5/18/2007 11:20:02 AM

I agree with you that she probably was hammered but i've seen plenty of accidents that were just dumb mistakes

5/18/2007 11:24:25 AM

RIP Duchess.

I didn't know her but like many have said before have some respect up here people. When sad things like this happen say something nice or just don't post at all.

5/18/2007 11:35:44 AM

I don’t think I have ever posted on TWW.

I am a close friend of Danielle’s and had meet Emily many times when hanging out with Danielle. Let me say I am very saddened to hear about this tragedy. Emily was a great person and will be missed by a lot of people. My thoughts and prayers are with both girls and both familys. I do know almost the whole story. I know a few people that were out with them that night. I know 1 person that drove by that night and saw her car at the intersection after the wreck, and went to the hospital that night to check on them. I know what she blew for her DWI. She was not injured in the wreck, which makes it even worse on her. I am not going to say anything else about any of this for legal reasons. I talked to Danielle yesterday morning and she is very torn up. Emily was her best friend in the whole world. What Danielle did was a BIG mistake. Everyone knows this, but please know that she very distraught now. She is in jail the last I heard for vehicular manslaughter. I haven’t talked to anyone today. I know she feels horrible and the only thing she wanted yesterday was for her friend to make it. She will pay a big penalty in the courts. She will pay for the rest of her life, having to live with this everyday. What she did was very wrong, but it was a mistake. She is a good kid, so please be considerate. We have all made mistakes, some just turn out way worse than others.

RIP Emily.

5/18/2007 12:03:41 PM

Good post.

Life is fucked up sometimes. Hopefully this girl can learn from her mistakes and move on in due time.

5/18/2007 12:06:18 PM

^ I agree.

5/18/2007 12:08:16 PM

theres a guy who speaks around the country to student athletes and NCSU hires him, he did the exact same thing



except that he killled 4 of his firends after driving drunk and speeding like an idiot i think in florida during a spring break...happened like 10 years ago

he was the only one who survived relatively unscathed, another friend survived but that guy never spoke to him again, understandably so....point is that he was the "least drunk" and that led him to killin his friends and having to do these seminars as punishment, reliving his friends lives and deaths everytime he speaks

5/18/2007 12:14:01 PM

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"She is a good kid"

Does not compute

5/18/2007 12:16:39 PM

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"no...this is why DRUNK DRIVING should be BANNED.....oh wait. I see no reason to ban red light cameras unless they start magically flying off their poles and hitting innocent people in the head."

Ever heard of the Bill of Rights? Ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"? If you answered "yes" to both these questions and still see no reason to ban red light cameras, fuck you!

By the way, according to the comments following that article, the girl died. I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but I'm not gonna read the whole thread.

5/18/2007 12:20:16 PM

^she made a very bad judgement call by driving drunk and therefore her friend was killed, but that doesn't mean that overall in life she wasn't a bad kid.

however, i'm not sympathetic in the least bc my mom was killed by a drunk driver 2 years ago. i hope she gets the full punishment she can get because she needs to learn from her actions, regardless as to how remorseful she may be. yes she'll have to live with what has happened for the rest of her life. but that will never bring back emily for everyone who was friends w/her or her family or anyone else. i didn't know her, but i know what her family's going through.

5/18/2007 12:20:33 PM

^4

5/18/2007 12:23:47 PM

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"By the way, according to the comments following that article, the girl died. I don't know if anyone mentioned this yet, but I'm not gonna read the whole thread"

the thread is only on its 12th page

i cant believe your dumb ass even made that post

5/18/2007 12:35:51 PM

RIP Emily

5/18/2007 12:36:51 PM

if she werent dead it wouldnt have gotten past 7

5/18/2007 12:40:13 PM

Quote :

"Ever heard of the Bill of Rights? Ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty"? If you answered "yes" to both these questions and still see no reason to ban red light cameras, fuck you!"

bill of rights? Innocent until proven guilty? WTF are you talking about. If the camera takes a video recoding of you driving through a red light, thats pretty much GUILTY written all over it. So i guess you were innocent until you drove through a red light.

anyway, if you want to discuss red light camera, start a new thread. this thread is about Emily.

5/18/2007 12:40:54 PM

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"bill of rights? Innocent until proven guilty? WTF are you talking about. If the camera takes a video recoding of you driving through a red light, thats pretty much GUILTY written all over it. So i guess you were innocent until you drove through a red light."

No, the red light camera takes a picture of your car's license plate, not your face. I know this because a few years ago I drove a car registered in my dad's name through a red light and got caught with one of these cameras, and it was my dad who got a ticket in the mail.

5/18/2007 12:47:55 PM

so? its his car, his responsibility. Don't loan your car out to someone that isn't going to admit to you to running the light and paying the ticket. Its not like you were put on trial for murder you can go and view the tapes and dispute it.

now go start a thread about it.

[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 12:51 PM. Reason : fda]

5/18/2007 12:50:52 PM

http://tinyurl.com/3beayl

its not that bad of an intersection at all

and from what i can remember there was a camera right of the arrow, i guess thats the one



[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 12:58 PM. Reason : ^]null

[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 12:58 PM. Reason : didnt realize it was that long]

5/18/2007 12:52:38 PM

^ SHORTEN THAT LINK SON!!!

5/18/2007 12:56:59 PM

intersection link

Anyone have any images of the camera/pole assemblies they use in fayetteville?

I've wondered about this type of accident from looking at some of the cameras in raleigh. Seems like the most likely failure mode would be for the bottom of the pole to shear off and the camera assembly to fall only slightly forwards, falling directly on top of a vehicle moving at high speed.

This camera looks like a death trap:


This is more like the ones in Raleigh, and the base seems reinforced (less likely to shear), but the camera assembly is linked weakly and would probably detach from the top of the pole.


I'm not a huge fan of these cameras, and it seems like a product who's declared motive is safety should be a bit better designed.

[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 12:59 PM. Reason : link]

5/18/2007 12:58:47 PM

they look like the second one, thought the bragg one is the one i drive by the least

5/18/2007 12:59:48 PM

I thought they were a lot higher up

5/18/2007 1:05:28 PM

god, what a horrible way to go.

that camera does look like it's on there securely, you can see at least 2 bolts where it attaches.
I have absolutely no physics background, but if car hit that head on, wouldn't the camera keep going forward, esp. if it hit like 2 feet up? I guess the pole could have snapped and then fallen towards the car, damn that's awful.

5/18/2007 1:07:23 PM

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"it seems like a product who's declared motive is safety should be a bit better designed."

I do not see any real purpose for the reinforced steel casing used on these cameras. I am assuming they are designed that way to prevent theft.

I see no reason why the top of the pole could not be skinny and only contain the camera and the rest of the electronics be stored at the base. This would eliminate the huge box becoming a falling/flying projectile during an accident.

Road/street signs are designed to bend down when struck by a vehicle minimizing injury, these clearly are not.

5/18/2007 1:08:37 PM

Quote :

"theres a guy who speaks around the country to student athletes and NCSU hires him, he did the exact same thing except that he killled 4 of his firends after driving drunk and speeding like an idiot i think in florida during a spring break...happened like 10 years ago he was the only one who survived relatively unscathed, another friend survived but that guy never spoke to him again, understandably so....point is that he was the "least drunk" and that led him to killin his friends and having to do these seminars as punishment, reliving his friends lives and deaths everytime he speaks"

I went to one of that guy's programs a few years ago, pretty sobering stuff. I have strong feelings about red light cameras as well, but lets try to keep this thread OT about Emily

5/18/2007 1:15:14 PM

Quote :

"I don’t think I have ever posted on TWW. I am a close friend of Danielle’s and had meet Emily many times when hanging out with Danielle. Let me say I am very saddened to hear about this tragedy. Emily was a great person and will be missed by a lot of people. My thoughts and prayers are with both girls and both familys. I do know almost the whole story. I know a few people that were out with them that night. I know 1 person that drove by that night and saw her car at the intersection after the wreck, and went to the hospital that night to check on them. I know what she blew for her DWI. She was not injured in the wreck, which makes it even worse on her. I am not going to say anything else about any of this for legal reasons. I talked to Danielle yesterday morning and she is very torn up. Emily was her best friend in the whole world. What Danielle did was a BIG mistake. Everyone knows this, but please know that she very distraught now. She is in jail the last I heard for vehicular manslaughter. I haven’t talked to anyone today. I know she feels horrible and the only thing she wanted yesterday was for her friend to make it. She will pay a big penalty in the courts. She will pay for the rest of her life, having to live with this everyday. What she did was very wrong, but it was a mistake. She is a good kid, so please be considerate. We have all made mistakes, some just turn out way worse than others. RIP Emily."

This is what i've been trying to say, you don't kill your best friend and come away with it feeling like everything is going to be ok. Whether or not she is charged with manslaughter she's going to be messed up for a while. Isn't it the parent's decision whether or not to charge her or am i mistaken?

5/18/2007 1:24:05 PM

I am gonna make an unsolicited post in this thread, but I really don't think this young girl should be charged for anything/put in jail. What's happened has happened, and she has definitely more than learnt her lesson. They'd all be better off if one more living life wasn't screwed.

5/18/2007 1:25:33 PM

for the 1st time ever i agree with esgargs.

to be honest the only thing that is going to come out of charging her is bad stuff, she'll be nearly unemployable and probably end up being a drain to society.

Now if she gets caught drinking and driving again... she should be killed on the spot if she didn't learn her lesson from this she is a horrible human being and does not deserve to live.

[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 1:30 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 1:34 PM. Reason : can a judge give out a suspended life sentence? ]

5/18/2007 1:29:27 PM

Good God this is terrible.

Emily and some of her friends use to come hang out at our apartment before we'd head downtown some nights. My roommates and I would always feel like champions when she walked through the door -- sort of that "we've got the hottest girl at state sitting on our couch and laughing at our dumbass jokes" mentality.

Sincere, sweet, gorgeous girl -- terrible terrible terrible news

5/18/2007 1:38:49 PM

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"I would also like to ask that everyone please keep Danielle Polumbo and her family and friends at the forefront of your thoughts and prayers as well. Danielle was an incredibly great friend to Emily, and many, including myself, can attest to that. Sometimes life teaches us lessons in brutal ways, but everyone single one of us has made an error in judgment at one time or another and NO ONE deserves to go through what she is about to endure, so I ask that we all remember that. Thank you."

-one of Emily's friends in a facebook group

5/18/2007 1:40:09 PM

^^^ I dont know.

This is purely specualtion, but if the actual accident (hitting the pole) wasnt that bad (which would explain why the driver walked away), is there any type of possibility for a lawsuit of some sort towards the town of Fayettville from the parents of Emily? Based on that intersection picture, the red light camera looks really close to the road.

In my mind I was thinking about it being some really bad/horrific wreck, but the more I think about it, the more it seems like some freak accident (the camera falling) that spawned from a minor accident (Drunk Driving aspect aside).

[Edited on May 18, 2007 at 1:44 PM. Reason : asdf]

5/18/2007 1:43:38 PM

There's always a possibility for lawsuit.

Hell, the driver could sue the bars for serving her alcohol. It's happened before.

5/18/2007 1:45:02 PM

RIP Emily. Only met you once but you were super sweet.

Maverick1024 = Michael?

5/18/2007 1:46:49 PM

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"however, i'm not sympathetic in the least bc my mom was killed by a drunk driver 2 years ago. i hope she gets the full punishment she can get because she needs to learn from her actions, regardless as to how remorseful she may be. yes she'll have to live with what has happened for the rest of her life. but that will never bring back emily for everyone who was friends w/her or her family or anyone else. i didn't know her, but i know what her family's going through."

being angry at her and her getting a horrible punishment will neither bring emily nor your mom back. sure it is a terrible event and terrible for all parties involved but what happened was she fucked up, made a mistake, and now will pay for it dearly. perhaps you should show some compassion since you know how something like this can affect people

5/18/2007 1:46:58 PM

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"A mere 48 hours have passed since I last saw that beautiful face. Margarita's at the pool--A perfect Tuesday afternoon for two unemployed girls waiting to move to Charlotte or Tampa in August and start fresh. She's still in my most recent phone calls, my incoming and outgoing texts, joking on my wall, filling my heart with countless emotions and memories. I love you, 5LCW.. haha our latest joke, just laughed at that unstoppably on Monday night. Thank you to everyone who has joined the group so far, for the messages and prayers. Emily had a lot of amazing people in her life, and my only regret is for those who never had the opportunity to meet, or more importantly, truly get to know this girl. This was an amazing life with so much potential and so many plans, cut way too short. My thoughts and prayers to everyone else that is completely devastated..I know I am."

so sad...

5/18/2007 1:47:17 PM

this is a serious question

the times I saw her i noticed she was VERY petite, do you think a more average sized person would have had the same result?

im guessing probably not, because it fell on her head

5/18/2007 1:49:30 PM

^ugh.

I dont know if its time yet for that question....



I also dont know how she was critically injured so it would be extremely difficult to say.

5/18/2007 1:51:01 PM

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"so? its his car, his responsibility."

But he didn't run that red light -- I did. I ran the red light, he got the ticket.

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"Don't loan your car out to someone that isn't going to admit to you to running the light and paying the ticket."

That's like saying don't loan your gun to someone who's gonna use it to commit murder. If you loan me your gun and I commit murder with it, it may be wrong for you to loan me that gun, but you're still not the murder -- I am!

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"Its not like you were put on trial for murder"

Who cares if I got charged with murder or running a red light? The fact still remains that my dad got charged with an offense that I committed, and that he was mailed a ticket without anyone ever attempting to prove that it was he who was driving.

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" you can go and view the tapes and dispute it."

What tapes?? Did you not read my post? Those cameras DO NOT take photos of the person driving. They only take photos of the LICENSE PLATE on the back of the car, that's all.

5/18/2007 1:54:09 PM

Quote :

"I am gonna make an unsolicited post in this thread, but I really don't think this young girl should be charged for anything/put in jail. What's happened has happened, and she has definitely more than learnt her lesson. They'd all be better off if one more living life wasn't screwed."

I could not agree less. There has to be punishment. Feeling sorry for yourself and your friend that (because of you) is dead is not punishment.

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"Isn't it the parent's decision whether or not to charge her or am i mistaken?"

No, manslaughter is a felony and is charged by the state on behalf of the people (It will be The People of the State of North Carolina vs. Polumbo)

5/18/2007 1:54:32 PM