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"I don't know how scottie got promoted to chief engineer right away. Wasn't there another engineer? I'd be pissed if i got replaced by someone who just beamed on the ship."

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"the one thing i couldn't get past was how quickly ANY senior officer on the enterprise died, and how quickly it ended up that the flagship of the federation was piloted by a bunch of cadets."

Uhura was the only one who knew how to differentiate between Vulcan and Romulan, so she replaced the other guy. McCoy was the only one certified to take over as chief medical officer after the other one died, the other pilot was sick I think so Sulu had to replace him, Scotty was obviously a superior engineer to everyone else who was there (plus he had been with the federation for a while and wasn't just a cadet), but I missed any explanation of how Checkov got promoted so fast.

5/9/2009 2:38:37 PM

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"the one thing i couldn't get past was how quickly ANY senior officer on the enterprise died, and how quickly it ended up that the flagship of the federation was piloted by a bunch of cadets."

i wondered this once i saw the trailer

5/9/2009 2:39:00 PM

It is just how he rolls.

5/9/2009 2:39:27 PM

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"It is just how he rolls."

zing!

5/9/2009 2:43:53 PM

^^^^Pike referred to him as 'that russian prodigy' or somesuch

5/9/2009 2:45:35 PM

They didn't really emphasize the fact that Pike gave the Romulans the defense codes to Earth, although they referenced the brain-worm thing when they brought him back on the Enterprise with the medical team's attention.

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"i can't believe that the federation was a bunch of pussies (more so than usual"

My understanding was that the bulk of the fleet was engaged in another system, so all they had to send to Vulcan were the few ships docked at Earth.

They also were expecting to be helping the Vulcans with a natural disaster, not fighting a Romulan ship from the future. So all the available ships get destroyed as soon as they show up at Vulcan, only the Enterprise is left to go back and defend Earth.

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"why is a mining ship so much bigger and powerful than even ships from the next generation."

It's a Romulan ship, maybe they have mining wars or something. I can see a Federation mining ship not having weapons. Besides, the mining ship's weapons may not be the best from its own time, but they still are advanced enough to penetrate the outdated defenses.

5/9/2009 2:54:05 PM

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"Secondly, I have a hard time buying that a mining ship today could take on the British Navy from the Revolutionary War and win."

Well, let us consider this. Today is a poor example because we no longer have hostile environments for commercial vehicles to operate in. However, space is a very different place than today's oceans. The galaxy is filled with unknown hostile races, the romulans are repeatedly at war, and help is a week away, not 12 hours for airsupport from Europe. All this implies that a romulan mining vesel which operates at the outskirts of romulan space would very likely find itself attacked at some point. As such, I have no doubt that it enjoyed modern weaponry. That said, it could be that the purpose of their weaponry was for mining purposes.

Either way, a modern freighter with limited modern weaponry could destroy an 1860 warship. With diesel engines it could easily outrun and out maneuver a sailing ship, and if it needed to it could just ram the enemy ships with its massive steel hull, crushing them. I doubt even a modern steel hulled freighter could withstand cannon fire, but it would take a lot of hits in just the right places to prove fatal. If this is the case, then all the freighter crew would need are modern machine guns to stave off boarding attempts by the crew.

5/9/2009 3:25:23 PM

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"but I missed any explanation of how Checkov got promoted so fast."

Didn't he figure out how to hide from the Romulan mining ship in the clouds of Titan or something? So Kirk/Spock could beam onto the ship? He suggested that idea, and got promoted? Think that's when he was asked his age, and he said 17.

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"a few "wtf" moments, like the entire scene on the ice planet,"

For some reason that scene with the two ice monsters seemed vaguely reminiscent of TOS and Kirk battling monsters by himself on a strange planet with small odds of winning.

[Edited on May 9, 2009 at 4:02 PM. Reason : .]

5/9/2009 3:58:55 PM

in the original series, was Pike captain or admiral, b/c at the end of the movie it sounded like he had been promoted to admiral

5/9/2009 6:43:53 PM

^

CHANGED TIMELINE

5/9/2009 9:09:10 PM

So give up the Federation defense codes, get promoted to admiral. Got it.

5/9/2009 9:17:18 PM

When Kirk was trying to see the ice creature I said "Obi Wan?"

5/10/2009 12:00:25 AM

admittedly......as a non trek chick, not knowing anything more than "I know these characters b/c I haven't lived under a rock for the past 26 years"....................I went for Zachary Quinto and the whole notion of, "this looks really good; I like sci-fi and I'll be damned if I'm gonna miss this movie"

I walked out thinking, "HOLY SHIT!!! that was awesome!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

I went to IMAX's 7:00 showing tonight, and I guarantee I will see again at another theatre before it leaves the big screen. That was badass...effects--AWESOME. I was sold and emotionally involved from the very beginning. Fight scenes weren't too long, but weren't too short...they were perfect. Good dialogue with some key one liners and one liner actions (ie, kirk slapping spock on the shoulder) that were perfetto! loved this movie...A+++

everyone go see it.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 12:05 AM. Reason : ]

5/10/2009 12:05:08 AM

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"but I missed any explanation of how Checkov got promoted so fast."

I think they mentioned that he was some sort of child prodigy hence he was there.

^ Two of the people I went with who seemed to enjoy the movie the most were two girls who had no idea about Star Trek with me giving them a crash course on the very basic premise of the shows four minutes before it began. They seemed to really enjoy the humor.

5/10/2009 12:32:54 AM

Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Sulu was actually a badass swordsman in the original series?

5/10/2009 1:49:49 AM

I never watched Star Trek and thought the movie was pretty good.

5/10/2009 2:30:30 AM

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"Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Sulu was actually a badass swordsman in the original series?"

5/10/2009 2:40:33 AM

I would have bwned that green chick.

5/10/2009 2:47:37 AM

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"we no longer have hostile environments for commercial vehicles to operate in"

would beg to differ.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 2:58 AM. Reason : -]

5/10/2009 2:57:47 AM

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"Out of curiosity, does anyone know if Sulu was actually a badass swordsman in the original series?"

I'm sure they threw it in there because of the infamous sulu fencing scene and subsequent internet pictures.

5/10/2009 9:36:38 AM

George Takei in real life is a badass swordsman, and he proves it in every project he works on.

5/10/2009 10:22:29 AM

nastoute, that was a question, not a doubt, I'm not that familiar with the original show, and I was just curious if Pike was admiral in the original series

5/10/2009 10:47:16 AM

The answer is I guess both. Pike was original Captain of the Enterprise in the scrapped pilot. He later appeared in the original series with Kirk and Spock as a crippled former Admiral in a wheelchair. So basically the movie just kinda condensed that transition for him.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Pike_(Star_Trek)

Actually I guess according to wiki he was promoted to "fleet captain" not Admrial.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 10:58 AM. Reason : link]

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5/10/2009 10:56:31 AM

According to canon, Pike was the second captain of NCC-1701, after Robert April. Not sure this ever made it into an episode though.

5/10/2009 11:29:15 AM

sooo its like LOST now... all the previous star trek storylines never happened because they changed time?

opening up the door for many more episodes with this new crew to relive the star trek storyline.

I just want my NEXT GENERATION storyline kept in tact somehow

5/10/2009 1:07:15 PM

so they used the term "alternate reality" which to me means that all of the original trek stuff is still there, as well as this new stuff in an alternate timeline. (somehow)

5/10/2009 2:33:33 PM

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"sooo its like LOST now... all the previous star trek storylines never happened because they changed time?"

it's not like Lost at all, because there is no changing the past in Lost.

5/10/2009 2:51:36 PM

So.............How did Nero's mining ship know where to find Spok after they went through the black hole. It didnt seem like it was the same location where he came through. so he somehow figured out where it would be.

And since when do black holes not kill the fuck out of everything going into them? And, um, didn't it show Nero essentially coming out of the black hole when "entering" into the past? Or was that just a "lightning storm" in space........

Ice Monsters = unnecessary and gay.

Opening fight sequence = freaking amazing

5/10/2009 3:09:12 PM

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"Secondly, I have a hard time buying that a mining ship today could take on the British Navy from the Revolutionary War and win."

First of all, we don't have "mining ships" today. Our mining is done on land.

But to use a better real world example, if you put a 17th century Spanish trading galleon that's been armed for combat against a half dozen 15th century carracks and cogs, the galleon likely mops the floor with them.

Also, if you read the graphic novel prequel to the movie, you'll see that it's not exactly a standard mining ship.

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"sooo its like LOST now... all the previous star trek storylines never happened because they changed time?"

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 3:42 PM. Reason : ]

5/10/2009 3:41:24 PM

AndyMac with an EPIC WIN

5/10/2009 3:49:28 PM

Yeah, so using the Back to the Future example, in Star Trek now, arguably they could fix the problem and return to their original timeline if they can somehow stop Nero from ever going back in time to begin with.

5/10/2009 4:13:46 PM

They couldn't go forward to stop Nero from traveling back in time, because they are on an alternate branch already. Nero traveled back from branch A, they are ~25 years into branch B, and can't reach branch A.

To fix the timeline, they would have to go back to where the split happened and somehow destroy Nero as soon as he arrives in the past.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 4:19 PM. Reason : [.][.]

5/10/2009 4:18:31 PM

They could go back to before the split and then go forward.

5/10/2009 4:20:24 PM

^^ ahh, very true

^ i don't think that would work because going back before the split would not stop the split from happening. Nero would still enter their timeline and cause the shift causing them to still arrive in the alternate time line

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ]

5/10/2009 4:21:29 PM

my thing is, where the hell were all of those agents from the future who police the timeline from voyager and enterprise?

5/10/2009 4:56:47 PM

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"Yeah, so using the Back to the Future example, in Star Trek now, arguably they could fix the problem and return to their original timeline if they can somehow stop Nero from ever going back in time to begin with."

When did that happen in BTTF? They never went forward to fix the past. They did go to the past to keep the future Biff from fucking up the present.

5/10/2009 4:57:29 PM

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"my thing is, where the hell were all of those agents from the future who police the timeline from voyager and enterprise? "

Didn't they only ever show up after the fact though? Weren't they just tracking infractions as they happened, or after they happened? I can't quite remember. Maybe they don't exist in the new timeline.

5/10/2009 5:17:22 PM

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"I just want my NEXT GENERATION storyline kept in tact somehow"

there was an actual storyline? wth

I just want my DS9 storyline kept intact somehow.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 5:34 PM. Reason : ]

5/10/2009 5:34:17 PM

I felt like it was implied that their division was created as a reaction to Kirk, so they weren't in TOS and wouldn't have been anywhere to be found here.

And yes, all of TOS, TNG, DS9, and Voyager are wiped from the books. The only thing that remains is Enterprise.

Of course, it could very well be that the timeline will operate in the same way. At the end of the day the key players are exactly where they would have been otherwise, so the possibility of the same events occurring is there.

Except for anything and everything that happened on - that planet - . And even then it was said that a suitable replacement could be found and perhaps named after the original, so even those events might be preserved in the new continuity.

It was fun, saw it at IMAX on Friday. It wasn't a Star Trek episode which some people were wanting, it was an action movie. It was designed to pull in all the casual Star Trek fans from the last 40 years. The rednecks who loved TNG, the dorks who loved DS9, the old folks who just wanted to see Kirk bang some green chicks.

It's Star Trek for the masses and minus the preachiness, at least for now.

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 5:35 PM. Reason : .]

5/10/2009 5:34:29 PM

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"I don't know how scottie got promoted to chief engineer right away. Wasn't there another engineer? I'd be pissed if i got replaced by someone who just beamed on the ship."

olsen was the lead engineer on the enterprise. he was the red shirt that had the explosives and got sucked into the laser beam so it would make sense to replace him with scottie.

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"why is a mining ship so much bigger and powerful than even ships from the next generation."

after his planet was destroyed nero found some romulan's on some distant colony and they fitted his ship with borg weaponry to help his fight against the federation. also it is 100 years in the future. imagine us fighting the civil war with technology of today, but that far in the future, advances in warfare/technology probably developed much faster.

5/10/2009 6:54:25 PM

^what?

5/10/2009 7:14:02 PM

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"my thing is, where the hell were all of those agents from the future who police the timeline from voyager and enterprise? "

no one in universe A (the original trek universe) know that any time travel occurred - they only know the spock and nero entered the black hole never to be heard from again. the universe goes on wothout them.

people in universe B (the new universe created by nero's arrival) DO know that spock/nero arrived from a later date in another parallel universe. However, in order to "fix" their timeline, they would have to wait until they had the tech to freely travel through time and quickly destroy nero's ship as soon as it arrived. (negating the history of the hundreds of years it took up to that point.)
This is assuming the Federation as we know it develops the same in this universe. Not necessarily a given after vulcan is destroyed and because nero may or may not have passed future tech along to the romulans.

5/10/2009 7:24:27 PM

I hate to break it to ya'll but regardless of whether the timeline still exists there's not going to be any more movies tv shows that continue from the other Trek Shows (I'm sure they'll continue novels or comics or something). You should thank Rick Berman for that not JJ Abrams.

5/10/2009 8:46:43 PM

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"You should thank Rick Berman for that not JJ Abrams."

amen

5/10/2009 8:54:26 PM

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"^what?"

nero's ship was explained in the prequel novel apparently. someone gave me a summary of it.

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"The galaxy is threatened by the Hobus star, which will become a supernova. Spock proposes that the Romulans transport the precious mineral Decalithium to Vulcan, where it can be converted into red matter capable of turning the star into a black hole, therefore ending its threat. The senate opposes Spock, but he finds a comrade in Nero, the leader of the miners. Nero witnessed Hobus consume a planet first-hand and offers to secretly transport Decalithium, noting it would be better than doing nothing and then leaving his wife and unborn son to die. Nero's ship, the Narada, is attacked by the Remans, but the Enterprise rescues them and escorts them to Vulcan with Decalithium taken from the Reman ships. On Vulcan, the council opposes Romulan use of red matter, infuriating Nero; he vows if Romulus is destroyed, he shall hold them accountable. Nero returns to Romulus to discover Hobus has gone supernova and destroyed his home world. Driven mad by his loss, he attacks Federation Olympic class hospital ships that have arrived to give aid, believing they have come to claim his people's territory. He beams aboard surviving senators onto his ship and kills them for not listening to Spock, and then claims the Praetor's ancient trident, the Debrune Teral'n, which is the greatest symbol of Romulus. He and his crew then shave their heads and apply tattoos to signify their loss. Nero goes to the Vault, a secretive Romulan base, and has the Narada outfitted with Borg technology to begin a rampage against his enemies."

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 9:28 PM. Reason : ggg]

5/10/2009 9:22:39 PM

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"You should thank Rick Berman for that not JJ Abrams."

plz to explain. so this was the last star trek....anything?!?!

5/10/2009 9:54:15 PM

i got the solution:

they create another black hole, go back 25 years to when nero entered then take him our right then, problem solved

5/10/2009 9:56:49 PM

i seem to be in the minority here, but i didn't think it was that good

don't get me wrong, i ENJOYED it, but things like the 200+ year old corvette and cadets given command of the federation flagship just annoyed me a bit

*shrug*

5/10/2009 10:12:20 PM

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"plz to explain. so this was the last star trek....anything?!?!"

Probably so far as the "old" timeline goes.

What bothers me is how in the hell are these black holes they're creating destroy everything yet magically let 2 ships travel through time at one point

[Edited on May 10, 2009 at 10:22 PM. Reason : ]

5/10/2009 10:20:52 PM

totals are in, over 76 million this weekend - not too shabby

5/10/2009 10:37:14 PM