I enjoyed this episode.

The only thing you missed was Claire witnessing Hiro's dad give baby Claire to Bennet and telling him that it was his assignment for the Company.

12/1/2008 10:52:25 PM

I feel like saying, "FINALLY!!!!!!!!"

12/1/2008 10:55:10 PM

thank god the eclipse is over

now I'll be able to see what's going on

12/1/2008 11:24:11 PM

Heroes was always good bad tv show. The acting and the dialogue was always horrible, but the plot had novelty and the show had some jailbait.

Now that the shine is off the plot, the bad parts are overwhelming the good parts.

12/2/2008 12:25:27 AM

didn't claire know that she was bennett's assignment already? or was she just exclaiming at being in the past in general?

12/2/2008 6:47:24 AM

"These crops are my fathers livelihood. Then they crows came and feasted on the corn."


Good gawd Daphne. You couldn't act your way out of a paper bag.

12/2/2008 8:05:42 AM

I like how a farmer couldn't figure out to put up a scarecrow to get rid of crows

and hiro saying, "bad man!" was the first time i've laughed at this show in at least 4 weeks

12/2/2008 8:23:46 AM

i really wish they'd drop daphne. that whole story line, except for the parts w/ hiro & ando, suck really bad.

and

i had no idea there were mountains in kansas

12/2/2008 8:53:41 AM

sylar is starting to really annoy me. i like the character but come on decide if he is a villian or not. they started him out as pure evil and some where along the line they attempted to make him a sympathic character which was horrible. then they try to make him a good guy.

seriously pick one side for him and leave him there.

12/2/2008 9:27:12 AM

^ they have to do this because of his future self...you have to find out why he doesn't want to use powers anymore

i agree though, he needs to pick a side.

^^ really? you like this whole 10 yr old hiro? I can't stand it, I think it's yet another season where he's not himself, and wouldn't be surprised if he's written out of the show shortly

he potentially has infinite power, and all he's doing is just running around doing stupid shit

12/2/2008 10:58:16 AM

no, that's not what i meant, i don't like the current story line of hiro, but i like him as a character. i do not like daphne's story line nor do i like her as a character.

[Edited on December 2, 2008 at 11:35 AM. Reason : ]

12/2/2008 11:35:17 AM

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"and hiro saying, "bad man!" was the first time i've laughed at this show in at least 4 weeks"

haha yeah that was quality

12/2/2008 12:19:52 PM

The acting and dialogue in this episode was particularly terrible. Daphne and Peter especially can't act for shit. And I'm glad Elle is dead b/c I was tired of watching her and Sylar suck face. IMO, this whole second eclipse thing was fucking pointless. It accomplished nothing except to send the storyline in a big loop back to where it was. Great, we found out they are whiny bitches without their powers just as much as they are with them. Also Nathan's little 'turn for the worse' towards his father's side was the worst piece of writing/acting I've seen in this show yet.

With that said, I'm looking forward to next weeks episode now that this eclipse thing is done and it looks like shit is bout to go down.

12/2/2008 12:52:34 PM

"Hey Peter! wow look what we did! we saved a village because we have powers! hooray! Lets give everyone powers so they can save the world!"


WTF is this shit. Really? I mean REALLY? This is the weakest writing I've ever seen in a show. They write as though these characters have 1/2 a brain. The whole reason you had to save the village is because some douchebag HAD powers to begin with.

12/2/2008 1:05:00 PM

i'm wondering if peter's powers got rebooted by the eclipse

12/2/2008 1:30:48 PM

i doubt it because they were taken away by arthur before the eclipse.

and agreed on the nathan speech. yeah what does he think, if everyone has powers they arent gonna start using them for personal greed & commit crimes?

12/2/2008 1:53:21 PM

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""Hey Peter! wow look what we did! we saved a village because we have powers! hooray! Lets give everyone powers so they can save the world!""

yeah that was pretty terrible. i don't know what's going on but each episode sucks more than the one before it. i'll probably keep watching, but it won't be the omgturnonthetvicantmissit kinda thing...

12/2/2008 2:00:26 PM

I'm sad they killed elle. They could have just separated her from sylar and put her in a bikini again, then have mudwrestling with the cheerleader

12/2/2008 7:55:02 PM

^ooooh please please

12/2/2008 8:31:43 PM

she much better as veronica Mars

12/3/2008 11:43:31 AM

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"And I'm glad Elle is dead"

she's not dead.

does anyone else find it strange that both hiro and ando have lost their accents? are they not going to do anything about it?

12/3/2008 3:13:39 PM

yeah i noticed that ando's accent was missing. that was odd. i don't really know what to think about it...is it supposed to be part of the story or did he (the actor, not the character) just forget?

12/3/2008 3:42:16 PM

still no explanation of WHY the eclipse has anything to do with people's powers. ridiculous.

and the eclipses don't make sense based on what's gone on in the past. in the first eclipse, it "activated" many people's powers for the first time. then they had their powers continuously afterward. so if the next eclipse deactivates everyone's powers, i would expect them to still be powerless until a third eclipse, not just until the second eclipse ends. and what about all the people whose powers never had shit to do with the first eclipse, why were theirs affected by the second one?

12/3/2008 3:51:33 PM

its all because of elves

12/3/2008 3:56:07 PM

i'm convinced the writers of season 3 did not watch either seasons 1 or 2

12/3/2008 3:58:25 PM

^^^ pretty much an epic fail on their part.

12/3/2008 4:27:24 PM

yeah, and it's just this season that they're really hammering home that the eclipse "switched on" all their powers. It doesn't jive, because for starters:

1. What about Linderman, Arthur and Angela Petrelli, Elle's dad, etc. having powers for years prior.
2. Everyone in the photo of "The Company" for that matter
3. The Company has been operating for years and enforces a "one of us, one of them" policy.
4. The backstory that some people (nathan and ali larter's characters) were given powers at birth, but it took 30+ years and an eclipse to activate?
5. Adam had powers hundreds of years ago.
6. Arthur and Linderman, for example, had powers for years prior to the eclipse and they were unaffected by the first eclipse, however the second eclipse affected them the same way all the "switched on" characters did.

I don't mind plot holes, unanswered questions, and time travel confusion/nonsense, but this is getting out of hand.

Oh and btw, wtf is mohinder supposed to be turning into, a snake, a spider, an armadillo? And can we do away with the maraca shake everytime he looks at his hands or into a mirror. [/rant]

12/3/2008 6:03:03 PM

Yeah I would guess that's him turning into a rattlesnake...which seems like a shitty power

12/3/2008 6:12:56 PM

1. you have natural mutants and artificial ones like nathan petrelli.
4. they weren't given power, they were given the chemical that caused mutation, which if you watched the show at all, you needed a catalyst to activate said mutations.
5. that's cause adam is a natural mutant.
6. everyone in the current group, hero or villan, has the catalyst that is affected by solar eclipses. just that some are born with it and some aren't.

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"And can we do away with the maraca shake everytime he looks at his hands or into a mirror."

i'd hate to know where the sound is coming from.

12/3/2008 6:37:27 PM

i think it's naive to assume things won't be explained.

12/3/2008 6:46:29 PM

i personally think with the way show is meandering, that it would naive to assume they're going to explain things. there are plenty of unanswered questions from the first 2 seasons

and about ando losing his accent, it reminds me of halle berry deciding she wasn't african anymore in X2 and X3

12/3/2008 8:12:23 PM

can i also just say that i twitch every time i see "villians" in the thread title?

12/3/2008 8:18:40 PM

pretty sure Adam's power started during the eclipse back in 1687 when Hiro was there

12/3/2008 8:49:17 PM

so theoretically, even if dad petrelli hadn't stolen adam's power, would he have disintegrated anyway once the eclipse came? and speaking of, surely there were other eclipses during his life

12/3/2008 10:52:22 PM

This show has MANY problems, but the eclipse as a catalyst is not one of them IMO. I think of the eclipse as an activator. It is a stimulus that triggers the abilities within the "heroes". However, while the eclipse is present, all powers are blocked / suspended. I don't think that this is too hard to believe.

What is difficult to believe is that an eclipse could take so long that a person can get shot, driven to her home, had first aid applied, be stable for a while (we can assume this is for 10+ minutes, right?), take a turn for the worse, get driven to the nearest hospital, get stabilized again, take a turn for the worse, have surgery, get stabilized again, take a turn for the worse, attempt to get resuscitated, and die before the next eclipse happened. Those things only last for a few seconds (or minutes maybe?) so that is why the "heroes" did not notice the effect on themselves previously. It *should* have only been a brief hiatus that could have been attributed to random failure.

So the theory is fine. The implementation in the episode was epic failure.

EDIT: ^Lawl, another loop hole they didn't think of. More failure on their part.

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 12:07 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 12:06:53 AM

he might have disintegrated, but would have (theoretically) reformed afterwards. afterall, claire got her power back, whereas adam is still left without his (we assume it was stolen by papa petrelli)

just thinking outside the box

12/4/2008 1:56:15 AM

Also do they need to be in the actual shadow of the moon for it to work? A total solar eclipse over North America wouldn't be the same for other parts of the world. Although I guess they didn't bother thinking about that when Nathan and Peter went to see the Haitian in South America.

12/4/2008 9:08:09 AM

Guys, it's a show where people can fly, shoot electricity from their hands, and travel through time and space by blinking.

It's pretty assinine to be like "BUT ECLIPSES DON'T WORK THAT WAY!!!!"

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"^Lawl, another loop hole they didn't think of. More failure on their part."

No one knows exactly what Pa Petrelli's powers are. The disintegration could be some other power he has/the most extreme usage of the power stealing he has.

12/4/2008 9:30:41 AM

^^ very true. didn't even think about that till you brought it up. i usually see a few factual errors like this in movies and stuff lately.

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 9:37 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 9:37:14 AM

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"What is difficult to believe is that an eclipse could take so long that a person can get shot, driven to her home, had first aid applied, be stable for a while (we can assume this is for 10+ minutes, right?), take a turn for the worse, get driven to the nearest hospital, get stabilized again, take a turn for the worse, have surgery, get stabilized again, take a turn for the worse, attempt to get resuscitated, and die before the next eclipse happened. Those things only last for a few seconds (or minutes maybe?) so that is why the "heroes" did not notice the effect on themselves previously. It *should* have only been a brief hiatus that could have been attributed to random failure. So the theory is fine. The implementation in the episode was epic failure."

there are other silly (obvious) things that are missed, such as HRG not actually killing Sylar or Elle. why is it that sylar can chop off their heads and they are dead, but when sylar's throat gets cut while he is human, he doesn't actually die.

peter will get his powers back. it's just a matter of time. his ability was to gain powers from others by being near them, well his dad took his powers, but he was near his dad. just like arthur tried to take hiro's powers and only blanked his mind.

12/4/2008 9:59:46 AM

This season would be over if Peter still couldnt control other peoples powers. Would've been funny if his dad went to take his powers and he took all his dads. Game ova!

12/4/2008 10:04:02 AM

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"there are other silly (obvious) things that are missed, such as HRG not actually killing Sylar or Elle. why is it that sylar can chop off their heads and they are dead, but when sylar's throat gets cut while he is human, he doesn't actually die."

For the same reason the bullet doesn't actually kill Claire once the eclipse ends.

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"i usually see a few factual errors like this in movies and stuff lately."

It's a show about superheroes, people.

[Edited on December 4, 2008 at 10:48 AM. Reason : .]

12/4/2008 10:48:34 AM

no i know, and usually i dont complain too much about that stuff, i actually still enjoy watching heroes every week still. i was just sayin that its usually a common thing to see in entertainment

12/4/2008 10:59:33 AM

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"just like arthur tried to take hiro's powers and only blanked his mind."

I don't think Arthur was trying to take Hiro's powers, I think he deliberately erased his memory.

12/4/2008 2:04:03 PM

Why wouldn't he want the ability to stop time and time travel? I thought he had every intention of stealing Hiro's power, but he was interrupted by Ando's power ranger style leaping punch.

12/4/2008 3:31:05 PM

well for one thing he already has hiro's power (from peter).

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"No one knows exactly what Pa Petrelli's powers are. The disintegration could be some other power he has/the most extreme usage of the power stealing he has."

i guess that's possible, but it seems pretty obvious to me that stealing powers is what he does, with no level of extreme usage to speak of. the writers haven't really hinted at anything other than that, since he's simply taken peter's and maya's. i think adam showing his true age is what they were going for

12/4/2008 6:51:06 PM

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"It's a show about superheroes, people."

Yes, but they are trying to have superheroes in a normal world. You can only suspend belief so far. Having an eclipse last that long would be akin to having an episode of 24 that was actually 28 episodes with hours 24-25, 25-26, 26-27, and 27-28 being added with the directors just hoping that nobody would notice the difference.

12/5/2008 12:08:39 AM

THERE MUST BE A NEW HERO WHO CAN CONTROL THE MOON

DA MOON RULEZ #1

12/5/2008 1:01:08 AM

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"You can only suspend belief so far."

So what you're saying is you're perfectly ok with an eclipse being either the source or ultimately the key to enabling/disabling superpowers in humans.

But an eclipse that happens across the western hemisphere simultaneously is what you can't suspend belief about?

[Edited on December 5, 2008 at 8:22 AM. Reason : .]

12/5/2008 8:21:33 AM

cake!

12/8/2008 9:33:16 PM