react meaning argue with it

7/9/2010 10:35:24 AM

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7/9/2010 10:36:23 AM

^ LOL

tough offseason for Cleveland

Lebron leaves and Delhomme arrives

7/9/2010 10:39:52 AM

How many times did James carry that team on his back?

I mean you cant forget that 4th quarter playoff game awhile back.


I dont see why Cleveland fans are so bitter...he did his best and Ohio sucks.

7/9/2010 10:40:03 AM

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"^^^^You're Right, Magic, Kobe and MJ didn't have to chase down other players to win championships. 2 of those players played for the Lakers, a franchise that has done nothing but win for the majority of their time. Cleveland is the anti Lakers, they know nothing but how to mismanage. An athlete's prime is so short, that he doesn't have time to wait around to see if they can reverse the trend of professional sports in Cleveland and get their shit together."

The Bulls didnt have any championships before Jordan. He built that franchise. I thought thats the kind of player LBJ wanted to be, not the guy to run off and jump on board somewhere. I personally lost respect for the guy.

Kobe was on the Hornets for all of about 5 seconds...lets not compare the two.

7/9/2010 10:42:20 AM

Lol magic didn't have to chase down a team? That's because he was drafted onto a great team.

Kobe didn't have to because he was drafted to a loaded team and when they imploded for three seasons the lakers were able to bring in monster talent around him

Jordan didn't have to because he was surrounded by greatness also.

You do realize that the 91 and 92 threesome of jordan, pippen, and grant ranks higher than james, wade, bosh right?

Also the 96 jordan, pippen, rodman does as well

And then of course bird, mchale, and parrish in '87


This is only the 5th greatest trifecta ever assembled and at this moment they have zero supporting cast and its unlikely it will be stronger than the bulls or celtics were.

Of the top 20 trifectas ever assembled in nba history only 6 of them won titles, so think about tha before you hand them the title.

If they can get mike miller or ben wallace they jump to 60+ wins in a heartbeat but they'll still need post help t get by howard or bynum

7/9/2010 10:52:50 AM

everyone is reporting that Mike Miller has signed.

7/9/2010 10:58:12 AM

kobe bitched and moaned and was traded to a loaded team

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 10:58 AM. Reason : .]

7/9/2010 10:58:18 AM

Ben Wallace died 3 years ago

and they already inked Miller

7/9/2010 10:58:27 AM

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"You do realize that the 91 and 92 threesome of jordan, pippen, and grant ranks higher than james, wade, bosh right?"

hilarious
maybe.. Jordan-Ewing-Barkley

but that never happened

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 11:01 AM. Reason : .]

7/9/2010 11:00:29 AM

Bosh is a pussier version of Oakley or Rodman

He'll wilt under pressure

7/9/2010 11:02:40 AM

^^^^^^ Yes I read the Wall Street article about teams with 3 great players and how many "wins contributed" each of them had. Still think its a phony stat.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 11:03 AM. Reason : ^]

7/9/2010 11:02:41 AM

lol

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7/9/2010 11:03:15 AM

Needs more:

7/9/2010 11:14:24 AM

I am really interested in how Lebron and Wade will share the load and how they will react to their personal stats being lower now. It sounds good in theory, but the more I think about it, the more it feels like a video game team. I doubt LBJ and Wade will average more than 24 points a piece, which is still good, just not the 28-30ppg they have been accustomed to over their careers. We can find out if they really are all about "the team" and winning, when their personal accolades start to dwindle

and I know I shouldnt react to the trolls, but how many of you who keep saying that Cleveland sucks have actually spent some time in that city? It mightve been a dump back in the 80s, but nowadays its a pretty fun and nice city. Its definitely a lot more fun/nice than Raleigh, in my opinion at least.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 11:26 AM. Reason : asdf]

7/9/2010 11:21:30 AM

7/9/2010 11:24:20 AM

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"Kobe was on the Hornets for all of about 5 seconds...lets not compare the two."

Why can't we compare? Kobe didn't seek out better players when he got drafted, he got a better franchise. If he had stayed with the Hornets and developed to be the player he is today and not won a championship, he would have bolted too.

When Jordan won in Chicago, he didn't have his own shadow to live in, and he didn't have a 24/7 media trumpeting the fact that he didn't have a championship every time his name is mentioned. Jordan built the model of what an international superstar athlete should be and he had the luxury of easing into it and Lebron doesn't.

7/9/2010 11:24:51 AM

Given the immense pressure they will be on to win a championship, I think they will forego the extra 5 to 6 points a game if it means winning. They will be a lot more embarrassed if they don't win a championship than if they don't get 30ppg. Quit being butthurt over Lebron leaving Cleveland and get over it. He didn't want to be in your shitty state with your shitty front office.

The big question is who they can get to play with them. Will they take even less money so they have a little more cash to throw at supporting players?? Will better players take less just to play with them and win a championship?? I think we'll see how much planning Pat Riley really did in the next month. I feel like he's definitely had a bigger plan than just "I'll sign these three and just see where it goes from there."

7/9/2010 11:27:17 AM

The point is...if hes trying to be the GOAT (which I would assume he is) its not going to happen jumping on board with 2 other superstars.

7/9/2010 11:31:06 AM

embed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZzgAjjuqZM

7/9/2010 11:34:58 AM

Oh baby mike miller!!! So much for no other talent. He may not be a top 50 player anymore but he's still an elite shooter and solid rebounder they are looking sick now. Don't sleep on varnado and pittman either

7/9/2010 11:38:19 AM

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"The point is...if hes trying to be the GOAT (which I would assume he is) its not going to happen jumping on board with 2 other superstars."

I think the point is that he wants to win titles.

If he wanted to be the GOAT, he could have stayed in Cleveland and done it by himself.

7/9/2010 11:45:45 AM

the same people bitching now (that aren't Cavs fans) are the same that criticize NBA players for just being about the money or ego. Ego and Money were sidelined by the drive for championships.

If Jordan can be the GOAT while playing with Pippen, James can do the same with Wade.

7/9/2010 11:48:31 AM

I don't know why Cleveland fans are so mad. Loyalty? In sports? The dude's contract was up, he's under no moral obligation to rejoin the organization.

I don't really like Lebron, but this doesn't make me hate him more

7/9/2010 12:36:19 PM

^
The entire production of the announcement didn't help things.

7/9/2010 12:37:29 PM

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"I don't know why Cleveland fans are so mad. Loyalty? In sports? The dude's contract was up, he's under no moral obligation to rejoin the organization. I don't really like Lebron, but this doesn't make me hate him more"

Acting like he was seriously considering his options and being dramatic when he and his buddies had already predetermined they were going to band together in Miami has caused a lot of people to be critical. What's so difficult to understand?

7/9/2010 12:39:53 PM

the entire sports industry is built on entertainment. Why is it so hard to understand the same applies to shit like this in the off season?

7/9/2010 12:42:00 PM

BUT IT WAS FOR CHARITY!!!!

7/9/2010 12:45:31 PM

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"Given the immense pressure they will be on to win a championship, I think they will forego the extra 5 to 6 points a game if it means winning. They will be a lot more embarrassed if they don't win a championship than if they don't get 30ppg. Quit being butthurt over Lebron leaving Cleveland and get over it. He didn't want to be in your shitty state with your shitty front office."

nice try with the troll bait, maybe you can get someone to bite

7/9/2010 12:52:43 PM

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"the entire sports industry is built on entertainment. Why is it so hard to understand the same applies to shit like this in the off season?"

because it was dishonest. stop trolling.

7/9/2010 12:53:52 PM

Going to put my long reaction because I'm bored at work this morning.

First, not buying the comparison of MJ staying with the Bulls with James not staying. It was a different NBA then, and it takes more than just one great player, a good number 2, and some role guys to win in the current NBA. I hate when people act like the pieces around Jordan were just a bunch of scrubs, he certainly made the players around him better but his supporting cast by the time he was the same age as LeBron was significantly better(this includes the coach). I bet LeBron stays if his supporting cast in Cleveland looked anything like Jordans when they started winning those titles. I think a huge factor on LeBrons decision was the fact that Bosh seemed willing to play with LeBron anywhere, except he wouldn't take a sign and trade to Cleveland(the most lucrative way for him to go) because he didn't want to play in Cleveland that bad. That had to send signals right there that if he stayed they would have trouble attracting players to Cleveland regardless of the money or him being there.

I mean Bosh basically said I'd rather make 30 million less dollars than play in Cleveland, and Bosh was pretty set on trying to get the sign and trade to make the most possible.

Where was this backlash when Garnett moved on? Shaq? Barkley? Malone? They can all move teams to try to win but James is suppose to rot in Cleveland because on THIS particular instance we are choosing to make loyalty more important than winning? We rip athletes all the time for not caring enough about winning, that it is only about the money, and then we have this instance where a player is saying it is about winning, you have three guys all taking less money and now it is "well where is the loyalty? He should have taken more money and stayed!" Can't have it both ways, I don't agree with the way he went about doing it but I've actually found it refreshing for once to see 3 guys put winning above just making the most money possible.

Lastly, If James stays in Cleveland it would have been the exact same situation as Kevin Garnett and the Twolves, and luckily for Garnett he managed to get out while he still had the legs to get a ring. If James signs another contract in Cleveland he would have been 30+ years old, 12+ seasons in the NBA, getting old, body breaking down, and ringless. There is no reason to think that if he stayed in Cleveland they would have been able to put the pieces around him to compete for NBA titles, and again I site the Bosh example as a perfect instance of that. Would have been just B level players and over the hill used-to-be stars and that isn't going to cut it.

People in Cleveland are just pissed because a group of athletes basically said I'd play there, or there, or even there, but fuck there.

7/9/2010 12:55:33 PM

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"LeBron Fatheads for $17.41, year Benedict Arnold was born http://tinyurl.com/29cgxyk (via @Jbro318) Cavs owner owns Fathead"

http://twitter.com/darrenrovell1/status/18130918398


LOL that's hilarious

7/9/2010 1:00:11 PM

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"Mo Williams, Shaq, Antawn Jamison, etc. etc. arent decent players?! Granted they arent superstars like Dwyane Wade or Chris Bosh, but they are definitely above average players - hell they are ALL STARS."

during his 7 years in Cleveland, only one teammate was an all star- Mo Williams 2 years ago and he was a late addition to the team

7/9/2010 1:01:02 PM

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"nice try with the troll bait, maybe you can get someone to bite"

Ok, "shitty state" was troll bait, but not "shitty front office."

They've made more bad moves than good moves since Lebron has gotten there. They've had the best, most dominant player on the planet for the past three years and they have failed to build a team around him that can contend for championships (don't give me the San Antonio abomination three years ago...and Lebron CARRIED them to that point against Detroit). Worse yet, they made him feel like it couldn't happen.

Cleveland fans can be bitter towards Lebron all they want, but this all started in the front office.

7/9/2010 1:03:33 PM

serious question, what move would you have made if you were in the Cavs front office?

to my knowledge they didnt have a lot of money to play with or young players they could trade. I think they did the best with what they had, even if that meant they could only bring in players who were in the declining years of their career (Jamison, Shaq)

I guess they shouldve tried to make the Amare deal last season where they traded away JJ Hickson and another player or two

7/9/2010 1:16:08 PM

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"Where was this backlash when Garnett moved on? Shaq? Barkley? Malone?"

We're talking about a guy that wants his name mentioned with the Jordans and Kobes. If he wants to be mentioned with that group he can have that (Shaq forced his way out).

^^^ Z was an all-star one year.




[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 1:23 PM. Reason : fail]

7/9/2010 1:19:32 PM

Mo Williams and Shaq were both all-stars in 2009
Antawn Jamison was an all-star in 2008

7/9/2010 1:26:36 PM

had to have played with them during their all-star year

7/9/2010 1:29:12 PM

It's pretty obvious that LeBron doesn't want to be "THE MAN", which is why he signed with Miami.

He'll average close to a triple-double, hit a few game-winners, assist on more game-winners, and probably play PG for this team for most of the year.

I don't get where all the hate comes from. He did what HE wanted to do, what HE thought was his best chance to win championships, and also play with his good friends at the same time. All in beautiful South Beach.

What is everyone's beef?

7/9/2010 1:29:48 PM

24 players are all stars every year. Gerald Wallace, Allen Iverson, Chris Kaman and Zach Randolph were all stars this year. Just being an all star doesn't mean you're ready to play second banana on a title contender.

7/9/2010 1:29:54 PM

I would have gone hard after Bosh, Amare, and Boozer. Bosh obviously declined. Don't know if they went big after Amare or not. Boozer is just as valuable as those two. He's a 20 and 10 guy, guaranteed. He won't go on a 40-point string like Amare will...but he's a more consistent rebounder.

If not those guys...Dirk and David Lee are probably the next two choices. Dirk might not have been a viable option, but I don't see why David Lee wouldn't have been.

The thing is, I only heard of them going after Bosh. Does that mean they didn't go after every one else?? No, but until I hear otherwise, I'm going to assume they didn't. You heard it when other teams talked to every other big free agent on the market...but not from Cleveland (except Bosh of course).

And I'd need a list of all the other free agents to see what other options they had. But even if the rest of the pool wasn't that great, there are still trade options. Bottom line...they had some work to do, and they didn't do it.

7/9/2010 1:41:54 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/transactions/freeagents/position

Good comprehensive list


And I'd argue that they could have been left in a position where they traded for Boozer or Amare and James still left, leaving them maybe 6-8 wins better next season, but still a lottery team, and now on the hook for even more salary. They failed to get a great complementary player for seven years...what would make LeBron think they're all of sudden becoming proactive?

Their best bet is to hope they get a top 3 pick in a loaded draft and start the whole process over again. They'll never win anything with the players they have now.

7/9/2010 1:46:33 PM

^^Going after Boozer wasn't an option.. probably not going to happen after what happened when he left Cleveland originally(wasn't exactly great terms).

Actually being unable to keep certain players over the past few seasons probably hurt them as much as not being able to bring players in. Certainly having Boozer around the past few years would have been helpful and he was suppose to stay in Cleveland but then jetted.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 1:47 PM. Reason : .]

7/9/2010 1:47:18 PM

^^^^ I wasnt debating whether or not they were 2nd banana players or not. Just disputing that 1 guy on LBJ's team had been an all-star.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 1:48 PM. Reason : ^]

7/9/2010 1:47:44 PM

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"Where was this backlash when Garnett moved on? Shaq? Barkley? Malone?"

I think the main difference is that Garnett is from South Carolina, and played in Minnesota...Shaq is from Newark and played for Orlando...Barkley is from Alabama and played for Philly...Malone is from Louisiana and played for Utah

Lebron is from Akron

7/9/2010 1:48:02 PM

no, the main difference is that none of them went chasing rings at the age of 25


there is something to be said about the process of getting knocked down, sticking to it, and finally overcoming the greatest challenge. it's not the same when you bolt and show little faith in the organization that made you.

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 1:54 PM. Reason : ]

7/9/2010 1:52:29 PM

Antawn Jamison was traded to the Cavs midseason, but only played 66 games total due to injuries

Shaq was injured for roughly half of the one season he played with the Cavs

7/9/2010 1:52:53 PM

^^ You're right

Shaq left when he was 24

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 1:53 PM. Reason : x]

7/9/2010 1:53:33 PM

the Cav's management and front office suck donkey balls.

They reaped what they sowed.

7/9/2010 1:53:49 PM

^^ahhh. true. but not only did lebron leave, he left without a sign and trade. cleveland got NOTHING in return, not even a phone call before the move to let him know why he thought he needed to make the move

[Edited on July 9, 2010 at 1:57 PM. Reason : ]

7/9/2010 1:54:50 PM