Not completely desolate. A city road. Residential. Not a major road.

Coming home froma bar at 3-3:30 a.m

Roads are pretty empty.

[Edited on August 20, 2012 at 10:00 PM. Reason : .]

8/20/2012 9:54:56 PM

call a cab, you drunk driver

8/20/2012 10:09:29 PM

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"How often can you get the 50% off your order at Chickfila while in uniform? Once per week? Once per day? I know they make you sign the receipt but not sure if they actually track it"

fire and EMS people get this too... and not even in uniform. i never ask for it, because a) we're not allowed to, and b) i wouldn't anyway for fear of sounding like a douche, but they know us at certain locations and will give me the discount regardless of uniform situation. and i've never had to sign a receipt.

granted... i no longer go to chick-fil-a, so...

they also do this at moe's.

8/21/2012 7:04:20 PM

Hopefully by the time this reaches 15 pages, I will a) have a new job or b) go insane.

8/21/2012 7:06:35 PM

have you ever arrested someone who had drug stamps on their drugs?

8/21/2012 7:08:00 PM

Nope, still waiting on that one.

8/21/2012 7:09:22 PM

I've wondered if anyone has actually ever purchased those lol

8/21/2012 7:10:07 PM

Now if you have prior drugs arrests and you are found w/ drugs, the USUB Agent gets called and they come collecting.

8/21/2012 7:11:40 PM

what are drug stamps?

Quote :

"What's the deal with the "Not in Service" police car that's always driving up and down Atlantic Avenue. The lights are covered with a yellow cover and it has big "Not in Service" stickers on the side."

there is a parking lot where it looks like non-active police vehicles are stored... it's off of industrial near atlantic/six forks.

8/21/2012 7:30:14 PM

^ http://www.dornc.com/taxes/usub/substance.html

8/21/2012 7:31:28 PM

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"have you ever arrested someone who had drug stamps on their drugs?"

get off my facebook saps

8/21/2012 7:32:56 PM

lulz

8/21/2012 7:36:08 PM

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"why have I never received a notice of renewal for registration or a bill for taxes owed"

go to http://www.ncdot.gov/dmv and go to Registration Renewal...enter your license plate and last 4 of title (or whatever it asks for)...pick your actual county

lots of dealerships have their initial registrations for the car set to a county with the lowest tax rate (Hoke i think?) to minimize their cost on vehicles they haven't sold...i got pulled over about 14 months after buying my car for expired registration because i never got the notice...turns out even though i went online and paid the $28, it didn't go in the system because they had the wrong county...surprised you even had the new reg/sticker mailed to you if its the same issue

8/21/2012 7:36:27 PM

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"I've wondered if anyone has actually ever purchased those lol"

Years back one of the writers for The Technician wrote an article talking about drug tax stamps. In writing the article they did the paper work and purchased a stamp for some small amount of cocaine. I recall the author expressing a slight disappointment that a SWAT team didn't kick down his door or some other exciting event.

8/21/2012 10:27:13 PM

when a large agency, like city or county, takes their patrol cars to the city or county garage for repair or maintenance, sometimes the mechanics need to drive them to see whats wrong etc....so they put an out of service sticker on them

8/21/2012 10:32:24 PM

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""How freaked out does it make you if a person you pulled over gets out of their vehicle and locks the doors?" Since normal people don't react like that, pretty damn nervous."

Odd, since there is a video circulating from a law firm that says to do just that.

8/21/2012 11:52:34 PM

And I'm sure all 190,000,000+ licensed drivers in the U.S. have watched it too.

8/22/2012 4:55:30 AM

I was under the impression that you were not supposed to get out of your car unless the officer instructed you to.

8/22/2012 8:01:02 AM

Why is it so hard for people just to act normal?

8/22/2012 8:02:20 AM

^that works 2 ways, buddy.

8/22/2012 8:04:23 AM

4^, 5^

Well I watched the video. It doesn't advise getting out of the car unprompted in ANY way. It's just saying that when the officer asks you to get out of the car you should have the windows up and lock the doors. The logic is that it's harder for the officer to fabricate probable cause in that case. These people assume that cops have illegal drugs on them are are looking to plant them in someone's car. I guess I'm crazy b/c I'm sympathetic to this concern.

Frankly, people knowing their rights will result in a lot more deaths, because there are plenty of cops who don't know the rights of the people they serve. A misunderstanding happens and someone gets hurt (not the cop).

8/22/2012 8:14:45 AM

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"Frankly, people knowing their rights will result in a lot more deaths, because there are plenty of cops who don't know the rights of the people they serve."

That is a pretty bold statement.

8/22/2012 5:15:40 PM

and pretty fucking true

8/22/2012 5:28:30 PM

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"^that works 2 ways, buddy."

I don't understand?

I was referring to people jumping out of their car and locking the doors. Does that seem normal at all to you?

If I was a police officer and someone did that shit, I would immediately be wondering what they were hiding.

8/22/2012 7:39:08 PM

I would immediately shoot the driver

8/22/2012 7:42:34 PM

WFPD Wins national contest for design of cruiser.
http://www.hendonpub.com/law_and_order/articles/2012/08/2012_police_vehicle_design_contest_winners

8/25/2012 10:46:57 PM

How often do arrested people do #1/#2/#3 in the back of your car?

8/27/2012 1:19:29 AM

Never had it happen /jinx

8/29/2012 4:30:28 PM

Heard about this a while back from a lawyer, want to hear your take on it.

An individual is pulled over for suspicion of DUI. When pulled, the individual takes his keys out of the ignition and steps outside of the vehicle, displays a closed beer to the officer and cruiser camera, proceeds to open and shotgun it.

Book them for DUI or simply Public Consumption as there is no way to gauge whether the reading on the breathalyzer was the result of the beer drank outside of the vehicle?

8/29/2012 4:50:58 PM

^Hah, that's what my Criminal Procedure professor told us to do (former cop).

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 4:56 PM. Reason : with vodka]

8/29/2012 4:55:02 PM

Prosecution would argue that your BAC was too high to just be from that beer. It would be better to do this with Liquor.

Also if they put that shit in front of a Jury you are fucked for being a smartass drunk driver.

8/29/2012 4:56:36 PM

Quote :

"Heard about this a while back from a lawyer, want to hear your take on it. An individual is pulled over for suspicion of DUI. When pulled, the individual takes his keys out of the ignition and steps outside of the vehicle, displays a closed beer to the officer and cruiser camera, proceeds to open and shotgun it. Book them for DUI or simply Public Consumption as there is no way to gauge whether the reading on the breathalyzer was the result of the beer drank outside of the vehicle?"

DWI. The State has experts that can come in and testify to retrograde extrapolation, forward extrapolation and a host of other testimony.

Look at it this way: A beer will raise an average persons BAC ~0.02. So if you arrest them, and their recorded BAC is .16, you can have an expert testify that because the beer would raise an average person BAC ~0.02, they were most likely a 0.14 while operating the vehicle (or revelant time after driving depending on the circumstance(s)).

Extrapolation is a great tool - people who record a 0.07 BAC think they are off the hook until the formula in introduced. Say they were arrested at 10 p.m. but the breath evidence wasn't collected until 1 a.m. (had to tow the car, long trip to the test site, then there are 3 or 4 people in front of you waiting on the instrument)*. When they blow a 0.07 you can plug in the formula (assuming that the average person eliminates alcohol at a rate of 0.165 per hour) you can deduce they were over the per se limit of 0.08 at the time of the arrest**.

*In some our more rural counties where a suspect might have an alcohol related crash and be flown out of state, its not uncommon for the officer(s) to have the blood drawn while the victim is awaiting the flight w/out consent or warrant.

**I don't have the formula in front of me. Although a properly trained chemical analyst can introduce this evidence to the magistrate for the purposes of obtaining probable cause, only an expert can testify to it in court.

8/29/2012 5:18:23 PM

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"*In some our more rural counties where a suspect might have an alcohol related crash and be flown out of state, its not uncommon for the officer(s) to have the blood drawn while the victim is awaiting the flight w/out consent or warrant. "

Pretty sure this has not been deemed constitutional in all jurisdictions.

^and I get your analysis, but it's not quite the right explanation. Your BAC continues to rise for a few hours after your have your last drink before it goes down. It doesn't just start dropping the minute you stop drinking/are arrested. So, a .07 could be indicative that your BAC was actually lower while you were driving and it rose before going to do the test, or higher and it dropped. It's really a speculative bit of testimony and doesn't hold much weight. /Defense attorney post.

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 5:24 PM. Reason : ]

8/29/2012 5:21:06 PM

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"§ 20-16.2. Implied consent to chemical analysis; mandatory revocation of license in event of refusal; right of driver to request analysis. (a) Basis for Officer to Require Chemical Analysis; Notification of Rights. – Any person who drives a vehicle on a highway or public vehicular area thereby gives consent to a chemical analysis if charged with an implied-consent offense. Any law enforcement officer who has reasonable grounds to believe that the person charged has committed the implied-consent offense may obtain a chemical analysis of the person. Before any type of chemical analysis is administered the person charged shall be taken before a chemical analyst authorized to administer a test of a person's breath or a law enforcement officer who is authorized to administer chemical analysis of the breath, who shall inform the person orally and also give the person a notice in writing that: (1) You have been charged with an implied-consent offense. Under the implied-consent law, you can refuse any test, but your drivers license will be revoked for one year and could be revoked for a longer period of time under certain circumstances, and an officer can compel you to be tested under other laws."

There has been a recent case in Forsyth County about compel - it boiled down to the fact the officer was being lazy and should have used his head.

8/29/2012 5:25:26 PM

Blood draw and chemical analysis aren't the same thing. And the "implied consent" thing has been thrown out in many jurisdictions. I think there's an argument that a breathalyzer can be compelled by a magistrate (and rightfully so). I think the blood draw would be too far down that line, and many judges have ruled that way too.

8/29/2012 5:29:06 PM

Making the problem more abstract, the individual does it with a closed container of high proof liquor, except the individual drinks a portion and pours a portion onto the ground. As the pour on the ground makes the exact quantity of drinks consumed impossible to ascertain as there is no way to measure the remainder of the bottle, there would be an empty variable in the extrapolation formulas.

What then?

8/29/2012 5:31:27 PM

Quote :

" It doesn't just start dropping the minute you stop drinking/are arrested. So, a .07 could be indicative that your BAC was actually lower while you were driving and it rose before going to do the test, or higher and it dropped. It's really a speculative bit of testimony and doesn't hold much weight. /Defense attorney post."

Ahh, the old defense lawyer rising BAC myth: you are arrested at a .10, but really you were like a .07 because your alcohol has just now been absorbed.

It only takes a few minutes for alcohol to enter the bloodstream, which as you know is from where we take our sample from.

The body is always trying to maintain an equilibrium and since alcohol is a poison, it wants to get rid of it through the liver mainly (its takes about an hour to eliminate 1 drink) and as soon as its introduced, the body starts the process to eliminate it.

How your BAC rises when you drink is simple: you take in more alcohol than is being eliminated not because it hasn't taken affect yet.

This myth is perpetrated by differentiating BAC numbers between an alcohol screening test device (alco-sensor) and the intox instrument and differentiating BAC numbers between the two test results provide by the intox instrument.

For example, an alco-sensor records a .09 while the intox says 0.10. Lawyers will argue that the person BAC was rising when in reality, its a matter of truncation of the numbers. The alco-sensor might have read the BAC as .0999999999999 but the number is truncated to .09 while the intox number might have really read a 0.1000000000000.

Same goes for the two readings from the intox.

Thus, the BAC has risen!

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 5:47 PM. Reason : ...]

8/29/2012 5:44:40 PM

Restricted,

what percentage of your peers are not as smart as you?

8/29/2012 6:36:48 PM

cant i just refuse the sobriety test and go straight to jail?

and just lose my license for a year?

why doesnt everyone just do that?

8/29/2012 6:57:32 PM

Quote :

"Blood draw and chemical analysis aren't the same thing. And the "implied consent" thing has been thrown out in many jurisdictions. I think there's an argument that a breathalyzer can be compelled by a magistrate (and rightfully so). "

The court upheld this rule in State v. Fletcher. And a blood draw for chemical analysis in an implied consent case is a chemical analysis. Don't confuse blood draw for implied consent with blood draw for DNA cases.

Quote :

"what percentage of your peers are not as smart as you?"

97%

Quote :

"cant i just refuse the sobriety test and go straight to jail? and just lose my license for a year? why doesnt everyone just do that?"

You can refuse to take a field sobriety test but you won't lose your license. Your license is revoked when you refuse chemical analysis. Most people don't want to lose their license for 13 months and then some if convicted.

8/29/2012 7:01:16 PM

not saying i would ever drive drunk, i havent before and im far more boring that i once was, but if i just refuse everything and act completely normal...

...and talk as little as possible.

what happens besides me losing my license?

[Edited on August 29, 2012 at 7:04 PM. Reason : -]

8/29/2012 7:04:07 PM

You get arrested
You do or don't do the chemical test
You go before the magistrate
You surrender your license (if you refuse or .08 or more, 0.01 if under 21 or 0.04 if CMV)
You go to Jail or
Sign that you will appear in court

8/29/2012 8:01:22 PM

After that you have a minimum 30 day license revocation, after that you can possibly get a restricted license to drive until you are convicted (at which time you will likely be revoked again) an attorney is $2500+, the conviction also results in $buttrape on insurance rates for years after the conviction.

8/29/2012 10:39:03 PM

pardon my being an idiot, but what conviction?

what would the actual charge me? driving like a loon and getting pulled in the first place?

how do they nail you exactly without blood alcohol evidence or other signs of obvious intoxication?

8/29/2012 11:22:16 PM

Thought we were still talking about DWI.

8/30/2012 12:30:06 AM

Need an ask an ADA thread.

8/30/2012 1:34:53 AM

^

8/30/2012 1:38:15 AM

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"Ahh, the old defense lawyer rising BAC myth: you are arrested at a .10, but really you were like a .07 because your alcohol has just now been absorbed. "

The thing is...this works on a jury plenty of times.

8/30/2012 6:59:20 AM

^This. And a medical examiner or someone similar would testify that it's true.

But this argument is one example why attorneys and cops have a tendency to balance each other out, which is a good thing.

8/30/2012 8:08:21 AM

What are your biggest pet peeves as an officer?

Don't necessarily mean serious crimes, just the stupid shit people do/say/think with any kind of regularity?

8/30/2012 8:19:13 AM