Did I just hear Nunes re-read a line in is big finish? Or was that a youtube glitch

11/19/2019 3:40:44 PM

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"On the other hand its annoying to hear the Dems spout the same rhetoric of it being morally wrong but there being no qpq. no bribery or evidence any of that actually happened."

maybe if you only watch fox news.

11/19/2019 3:48:39 PM

Last two presidents actually murdered a lot of people including American citizens. I'm also still waiting for congress to investigate Bush/Iraqwar/WMD, Eric Holder/Wall Street, Saudi/911 connections (THINGS THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED AND HURT AMERICANS) and the list goes on and on.

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"a shady, eastern Euorpean country"

the same country the president is obliged to give $400+ million to unconditionally? Quite curious.

[Edited on November 19, 2019 at 3:56 PM. Reason : thought crime]

11/19/2019 3:55:00 PM

it's weird that you're not okay with any of those things and want them investigated, but are okay with the bad things trump is doing and don't want them investigated


lol, jk, it's not weird it's telling

11/19/2019 4:11:45 PM

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"So what happens when you need to investigate the FBI/CIA/DOS "

Checks and balances.

The FBI and the CIA are separate entities and would not be described as buddies by any means. The FBI does oversee the CIA in terms of the legality of their missions/projects and the CIA does gather intelligence that could potentially keep the FBI in check.

If the CIA were to, for example, force an undercover agent to perform sexual activities or crimes in order to entrap an informant, then the FBI would be very unhappy to find out about this and open an investigation.

I don't understand what this has to do with investigating Biden, but these two groups (the FBI and CIA) are different, unattached, and frequently investigate each other.

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"the same country the president is obliged to give $400+ million to unconditionally? Quite curious."

They (we, the US govt) don't give a shit about Ukrainians. This is about the Crimean pennisula as it is a very strategically important location for all parties involved.


[Edited on November 19, 2019 at 4:38 PM. Reason : a]

11/19/2019 4:35:39 PM

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"it's weird that you're not okay with any of those things and want them investigated, but are okay with the bad things trump is doing and don't want them investigated"

strawman

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"The debate has always been if this is something so egregious that its worth impeachment."

So I'm not ok with it I just don't think its a priority considering this same president (and others) has done so many things that are far worse that have actually damaged lives of many ordinary people. I was vocal about the impeachable offenses all along while you were caught up in russia nonsense for 3 years.

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"This is about the Crimean pennisula as it is a very strategically important location for all parties involved."

I'd consider myself pretty worldly and had been to Ukraine but had not thought about Crimea as a place of importance in my life before they decided to join Russia nor could I have pointed to it on a map before the news told me how bad it was. I wonder what percentage of Americans think Crimea is important in their daily life. Its not even like Hormuz or some of the other hawk nests around the world.

11/19/2019 5:18:32 PM

volker and morrisson were clearly using language that would be appealing to the President but would also keep them from perjuring themselves.

Volker threw out so many "in retrospect, that should have been alarming to me" that you could make a drinking game out of it.

Then Morrisson stating that he did in deed raise concerns about the phone call, but only because "it could potentially be used for partisan politics."


[Edited on November 19, 2019 at 5:59 PM. Reason : k]

11/19/2019 5:55:16 PM

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"before they decided to join Russia"

hahahahhahahahah

11/19/2019 5:56:01 PM

Damn, this lawyer for Schiff is killing it right now.

"well that's just an interpretation, do you agree with her assessment?"

This is crucial for dealing with unethical behavior from powerful people that can not use explicit language to their subordinates or aides.

11/19/2019 6:10:15 PM

^^^^ Earl complains about and creates a straw man in the same post. Impressive troll work.

[Edited on November 19, 2019 at 7:24 PM. Reason : ]

11/19/2019 7:22:56 PM

Hes just being worldly, like all the little green men visiting ukraine

11/19/2019 8:26:10 PM

https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2019/11/19/carl-bernstein-republican-concerns-ukraine-sot-acfc-vpx.cnn

11/19/2019 8:57:19 PM

my highlights from today:

Lawyer: When Trump says that he is a businessman and expects people to pay up before he writes them a check, what do you think that he meant by pay up?

Volker: I don't think that he meant anything specific, it was just a generic..uh... formulation.

and

Schiff: You were one of two people that reported the phone call to legal representation. Why, because the contents of the call were troubling?

Morrison: No, because I was afraid that they would be leaked and cause controversy.

Schiff: Becuase what you heard was unusual and disturbing.

Morrison: No, I was just afraid of them being leaked.

Blows my mind that people can't see through this deceptive language.

11/19/2019 10:10:08 PM

Nothing matters anymore and the GOP will do nothing but Sondland is about to bury all Trump’s (and Pence and Pompeo) defenses. For what it’s worth.

[Edited on November 20, 2019 at 9:24 AM. Reason : Read his statement]

11/20/2019 9:23:49 AM

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"Nothing matters anymore and the GOP will do nothing"

If this weren't true this would be so much more satisfying to watch

11/20/2019 9:46:33 AM

Sondland flipping his balls off right now.

Making it crystal clear it was a quid pro quo, everyone knew it was improper, Ukrainians knew, and it was all at the specific direction of Trump. Wow.

11/20/2019 9:58:37 AM

But it’s very important for the public to know all this and see that the GOP is essentially a grift on the country from top to bottom.

11/20/2019 9:58:43 AM

maybe sondland can argue with the "there was no quid pro quo" morons here


i assume now the strategy now will be to throw guiliani under the bus and downplay his relationship with the president?

11/20/2019 10:05:14 AM

Lol, this is going to be amazing. Not a single one of these guys give a single fuck about anything but themselves.

The circular firing squad is going to be a sight to see.

11/20/2019 10:15:26 AM

Sondland saw Stone get convicted for lying, facing 50 years and said "I forgot a few things....."

11/20/2019 10:16:03 AM

sondland is really going all in, not just trying to cleanup his past lies and ommissions but also saying the white house is blocking his requests for his own records and saying the white house is to blame for all the inconsistent testimony

full tekashi 69 mode

11/20/2019 10:21:07 AM

Yea this is going to be fascinating when Jordan and Nunes get I to it

11/20/2019 10:33:08 AM

lol https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1197178607833165825

11/20/2019 10:44:02 AM

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""He had to announce the investigations — he didn’t have to actually *do* them.”"

how republicans "investigate corruption"

11/20/2019 10:48:47 AM

https://twitter.com/Zylie/status/1197188208804519936

11/20/2019 11:45:36 AM

https://twitter.com/burgessev/status/1197193948244168705?s=21

Senator Kennedy out here moving those goalposts down to campus like State just beat Clemson.

11/20/2019 11:47:27 AM

I hope this all is explosive as yall are making it sound....

11/20/2019 11:48:56 AM

resident trump fan horosho will be here soon to explain why none of this is illegal and trump is doing good and bringing troops home

11/20/2019 11:52:11 AM

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"I hope this all is explosive as yall are making it sound...."

Explosive to the extent that multiple people are providing pretty solid testimony that the Ukraine was pressured to announce investigations into Biden in order to receive the aid.

However, still very problematic is that there is as of yet no direct connection to Trump and the aid was eventually released without any such announcement from the Ukrainians.

Even more problematic to the Dems impeachment efforts, is that nobody has given testimony that the WH felt pressured into releasing the aid after the whistleblower announcements.

The latter point, in terms of why the aid was eventually released, has suspiciously not been touched on by anybody from either side.

[Edited on November 20, 2019 at 12:03 PM. Reason : a]

11/20/2019 12:02:26 PM

you're spare parts bud

also sondland did connect trump


the biggest takeaway from sondland IMO is the change from previously when there was the idea that there was an official position on ukraine, and there was guiliani working in the background on ukraine to sondland making it clear that, no, the official position was the same as guiliani and the people raising alarms just weren't included in the top level decisions. that's bad for the administration and hurts their ability to distance themselves and throw guiliani under the bus

11/20/2019 12:07:48 PM

Devin Nunes is a shit stick

11/20/2019 12:51:40 PM

i liked when nunes accidentally accused the white house of obstruction of justice because he wasn't paying attention when sondland said he and his attorney requested his records but the white house was blocking it

11/20/2019 12:55:17 PM

Nunes: it would be helpful if we had the whistleblower testify

11/20/2019 12:58:48 PM

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"also sondland did connect trump"

You should know that dems can be as blantantly partisan as the republicans.

Sondland has repeatedly said in this testimony that Trump never told him directly that the aid was being held up on account of the Ukrainian president making a public announcement of the investigations. That's actually a big problem for the dems, as I stated before these proceedings started. It gives Trump a lot of outs here and plausible deniability.

I gather that the whole reason why he is testifying is that there have been tons of emails and texts messages released where Sondland states that the two are linked.

I wouldn't be surprised if somebody ends up going to jail after these proceedings are over, but it wont be Trump, and his impeachment will not go through the senate.

11/20/2019 1:11:44 PM

#oktrumper

11/20/2019 1:14:20 PM

^^ lol, man you really need to watch the testimony today

[Edited on November 20, 2019 at 1:14 PM. Reason : ^]

11/20/2019 1:14:27 PM

Trump told Sondland to talk to Giuliani— are you saying a person telling you to talk to a person you believe to be their lawyer isn’t a direct connection?

11/20/2019 1:15:25 PM

Ken Starr, famously defensive of trump until right now, just said he thinks this testimony warrants impeachment.

11/20/2019 1:16:23 PM

banjoman, I realize you are playing pundit and not just commenting on right vs wrong, but when there are multiple screenshots of texts or emails where Sondland basically says, "I just talked to the president, let's talk", and then the person he was speaking to testifies that Sondland told him, "the president will not release aid/meet with Zelensky unless they announce an investigation", do you believe Sondland when he then testifies, "The president didn't actually tell me the things I then told these other people, I just assumed"?

[Edited on November 20, 2019 at 1:16 PM. Reason : asdf]

11/20/2019 1:16:26 PM

https://twitter.com/keithboykin/status/1197198520102592514?s=21

Trump just implied Sondland was a never trumper and he barely knew Sondland

11/20/2019 1:17:19 PM

The one thing that I don't understand about the dems in these proceedings is that, why haven't they tied the whistle blower complaint directly to the release of the aid without the quid pro quo?

11/20/2019 2:05:15 PM

and boom, almost as if the dems were reading my tww post, the dems clearly outline that two days before the aid was released, congress announced its investigations due to the whistleblower.

11/20/2019 2:19:00 PM

Ask why Mulvaney lied and said it was being held up for a second policy review, but it was released without a second policy review being conducted

we know on the record that there were efforts from state to the pentagon to congress to get trump to release the aid

trump released the aid because of of this pressure, including a bill in congress that pentagon funding would be cut if the money wasn't released that was to be voted on the next day and 3 congressional investigations that started 3 days prior

it's not a mystery

[Edited on November 20, 2019 at 2:26 PM. Reason : dems outlined this timeline a month ago, jesus fucking christ how dumb are you]

11/20/2019 2:26:16 PM

bro this isn't about you or me, or how smart we are, we already know which way you are leaning. This is about people watching these public proceedings and trying to make up their mind on how to vote or what to think.

Since one of the big talking points from the GOP is that there was no blackmail because the aid was released, it is nice to fit the release of the aid in its appropriate timeline, regarding the whistleblower and the actions of congress, during these proceedings.

11/20/2019 2:31:35 PM

but, and i'll try to explain this simply -- democrats have already explained this timeline and the media has already talked about it

11/20/2019 2:32:53 PM

I’m really enjoying the irony of the GOP trying to invalidate Sondland’s claims, because they’re nothing but his own “perceptions”, which apparently to them equals “hearsay,” yet at the same time they keep parroting the talking point that Zalensky never appeared to act/feel “pressured” and that he told various outlets he insisted he wasn’t pressured, but then they ask Sondland to express Zelenaky’s “perception of pressure,” and then they attack him for not agreeing with said “perception”

[Edited on November 20, 2019 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

11/20/2019 2:45:59 PM

The bad thing being done or not is the small hurdle. The big hurdle is if said bad thing warrants removal from office. The hurdle no one sees coming... GOP won't even let you get to that hurdle yet though. They will keep presenting smaller hurdles will just keep moving the goal posts until the big hurdle is the last one left. Then its good luck in the senate...

11/20/2019 3:02:03 PM

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"The one thing that I don't understand about the dems in these proceedings is that, why haven't they tied the whistle blower complaint directly to the release of the aid without the quid pro quo?"

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"and boom, almost as if the dems were reading my tww post, the dems clearly outline that two days before the aid was released, congress announced its investigations due to the whistleblower."

This must be your first day watching, they have been saying exactly that for days

11/20/2019 3:17:56 PM

Anyone who's been paying attention since day back in September knows what happened. The whistle blower complaint was made to Congress in mid August, on September 9, the house/senate judiciary committees received the complaint, and then two days later (9/11!) the Ukrainian aid was mysteriously released.

On 9/19 Rudy voluntarily went on CNN and accidentally outed himself by admitting that he was digging up dirt on Biden, and then on Trump 9/25 released the edited transcripts of the phone call in attempt to exonerate himself, and everyone who was watching it unfold in realtime couldn't believe how stupid of a move it was.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/politics/trump-impeachment-timeline/

11/20/2019 3:38:04 PM

Liz Cheney said a few days ago the quid pro quo was improper.

The only direction gop can go from here is that it’s improper but not impeachable. This seems untenable to me. Lying about a blow job is improper but not impeachable you could argue.

Lying about bribery and corruption to benefit your campaign is the reason the founders put impeachment in the constitution.

11/20/2019 4:19:26 PM