i was rolling my eyes at the "no matter how enlightening" comment.

5/23/2009 10:24:25 AM

lol it may not have been that epic, but who honestly reads epic long posts? i wouldn't have read my own post it would have been so long

5/23/2009 11:13:25 AM

i usually read them when they're not made by Erios.

5/23/2009 11:18:06 AM

ryan harrow vid from TOC posted on wolfpackhoops
http://vimeo.com/4798363

5/23/2009 4:11:34 PM

Sounds like Ryan is only going to continue to climb in the rankings. Dude just dropped 32 points on a very good team. Back when we were getting verbals from brown, howell and harrow who would have thought that harrow would turn out to be the biggest pickup of them all?

5/23/2009 6:24:56 PM

^^^ Saw that one coming. I get the point already

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"# of minutes played has very little effect on poor substitution patterns. The key is putting those minutes together well. Lowe didnt do that very well until towards the end of the year. You're not even arguing the same subject. And your argument has zero merit with crap like 'Lowe was alive before you and other good coaches say nice things about him when the cameras/recorders are on' You may as well say you cant comment on any coaches ability because since they all invariably have more experience than any of us, they all know what they're doing and are doing it well."

1st off, we're ALL entitled to comment on Coach Lowe, the players, or anyone else for that matter. Hell you can comment on me if you like, like simonn does with stunning frequency. However, we're also entitled to get our assessments shot down for being dead freaking wrong. And one of the reasons we're wrong is that oftentimes we don't know enough about what/who we're criticizing to make a truly informed, objective assessment.

In this case, I have to side with BigEgo, and not just b/c I think his posts are, on average, better than most of us on TWW. I mean, let's consider the circumstances:

1) The team and the coaching staff is a mixed bag, containing personnel brought in by both Sendek and Lowe. Not as big a factor in the 3rd year, but it's still a factor.

2) The team showed a lack of intensity and focus last year, which would explain why Lowe would (among other things) frequently shuffle the lineup in an effort to finds guys that would hustle.

3) The team had a lot of players with similar talent levels. When you've got 10 guys that have a legitimate chance of starting (not playing, but starting), you're bound to have some degree of chaos. Just take Degand, Gonzalez, and Mays for example. Anyone want to put money on who starts next year at PG? SG? Some would probably take "none of the above" thinking that Brown/Wood would start right away. We could have a week long discussion on this and still not come up with a concrete answer.

4) There's a lot that goes on behind the scenes that we don't know. Some injuries aren't reported. Some players have bad attitudes or drama in their personal lives. Making judgment calls on PT strictly by watching games is kind of like predicting recruiting based solely the "Interest Levels" reported by Scout. You can get an idea, but you know you're not getting the whole story.

5/24/2009 11:26:47 AM

N&O covering the Bob Gibbon TOC:

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"A 6-foot-1, 150-pound wisp of a point guard, Harrow spun between defenders and darted one-handed, no-look passes to teammates en route to a 26-point performance. Guard Jordan McRae..."

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"Late in a blowout of the Mid-State Magic on Saturday afternoon, Atlanta Celtics guard Ryan Harrow called for the ball on a breakaway at the Bob Gibbons Tournament of Champions club basketball event. With no defender in sight, Harrow tossed the ball hard off the backboard, then leaped to catch and dunk all in one motion. "My players always want me to throw it off the backboard because they say it’s my signature dunk,” Harrow said after wowing the crowd at Reynolds Coliseum at N.C. State, the school he’s committed to. Harrow, a 6-foot-1 point guard in the Class of 2010, said he is lobbying top players such as Red Springs Flora McDonald forward Luke Cothran to join him at N.C. State."

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/prepsnow/toc-harrow-eliminates-duke-commits
http://blogs.newsobserver.com/prepsnow/pack-commit-harrow-shows-hops

5/24/2009 11:31:03 AM

Lets help get the WPH guys over there to tape and cover the pango classic next weekend

I donated $15 to the cause

Harrow, Parker and Cothron will be playing together Which could potentially be the 3 recruits we take next year.

Harrow, Parker, Cothron, Brown, Smith + the rest is

5/24/2009 9:30:43 PM

That would send a big message to Parker and Cothron.

5/24/2009 9:32:20 PM

a class of harrow, parker, and cothron would be unbelievable. i'll definitely toss in a few bucks to help fund the trip if they start gettin close to their figure.

5/24/2009 10:56:34 PM

Maybe someone should post it on PP. I don't know how they'd feel about it though. I mean I would think that if the guys at PP could get a good relationship going with WPH, then they could share video and stats with each other. PP has the actual boards to discuss things on and post topics. I think that most people that visit one probably visit the other anyways. Also it'd be helping out the NC State program which both want anyways.

5/24/2009 11:10:40 PM

Reading between the lines on some of the inside info going around is that our coaches aren't gunning real hard for Parker atm.

Of/c those same sources still think we've got an inside track with Leslie so who knows if they really know whats going on

5/24/2009 11:13:47 PM

^ Probably not fair to say, but the videos of Parker that I've seen suggest that he's a bit of a showboater. Lotta chest thumping and nonsense like that. Helluva player, don't get me wrong, but the attitude looks like it could use some work.

5/25/2009 2:38:20 AM

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"I would think that if the guys at PP could get a good relationship going with WPH, then they could share video and stats with each other"

not a chance.

5/25/2009 10:06:58 AM

new video up from ryan's 32 point game against the memphis stallions at the toc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQmyj-SIcMw

5/25/2009 10:22:36 AM

^^ what do the guys at PP think of WPH?

5/25/2009 10:42:50 AM

i cancelled my pp subscription, but the owners cannot be pleased. also there is no way that they are going to share videos and such w/ any site, much less one that does not charge money.

5/25/2009 10:44:06 AM

i, too, have canceled my PP subscription. Way too much idiocy over there to deal with.

5/25/2009 10:53:02 AM

Since I can't access WPH from work, can someone update me with how much money has been donated to get them out to the Pangos Tournament? I think they had $155 last night.

5/25/2009 11:24:32 AM

185

5/25/2009 11:30:54 AM

hah there was a thread made last night about donating to WPH on PP

I woke up this morning and tada! thread is gone


Hopefully the extended weekend is keeping people away from their computers and more people will donate tonight and tomorrow.

5/25/2009 12:04:39 PM

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5/25/2009 12:49:13 PM

no fucking kidding. why people would think that packpride would be okay w/ that is beyond me.

5/25/2009 12:54:36 PM

I know that WPH is competition for them (not really though since most people read both), but in this circumstance it would really help the program to have someone out there covering these guys. It sends a big message to them that we are serious about our basketball and that we want them to come play for our program.

Note: I thought the thread was taking it too far. I just posted a little blurb in the bball recruiting thread mentioning what they were doing.

[Edited on May 25, 2009 at 1:12 PM. Reason : ]

5/25/2009 12:55:06 PM

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"in this circumstance it would really help the program to have someone out there covering these guys."

helping the program is not of concern to scout.com. they're running a business.

5/25/2009 12:58:38 PM

Doesn't look like they are on pace to get that $700

5/25/2009 1:01:31 PM

PP will not help WPH. That's ridiculous. Maybe the WPH guys should get jobs and fund their own trips.

5/25/2009 1:04:00 PM

anyway, wph should post longer snippets of the game if they have footage. Highlights don't give a idea about the flow of the game or defense. torrents?

[Edited on May 25, 2009 at 1:12 PM. Reason : and it would be a huge competitive advantage over pp]

5/25/2009 1:07:12 PM

SFN gets money from their ads, and people post shit from SFN all the time on PP. I don't think this is that much different, is it?

5/25/2009 1:13:03 PM

^^^ well it was some of the fans on the site that wanted to do it. the WPH guys were like we don't have the money to go out there, and jokingly said, "if someone wants to donate the money for us to go out there, then we'll cover it." then people started donating so they ran with it. besides they provide things, like interviews with recruits, that PP and TWP would normally make premium content. if the readers want to repay them by donating money to get them out to the Pangos then I see no problem with it.

[Edited on May 25, 2009 at 1:17 PM. Reason : ^]

5/25/2009 1:17:18 PM

it's very different. SFN is a blog that just writes articles about how good their articles are. WPH is in the format of a blog, but has a stated mission of providing, for free, the same content that packpride provides for a fee.

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"besides they provide things, like interviews with recruits, that PP and TWP would normally make premium content. if the readers want to repay them by donating money to get them out to the Pangos then I see no problem with it."

you see no problem w/ people posting on packpride asking people to donate for this? really??

[Edited on May 25, 2009 at 1:21 PM. Reason : .]

5/25/2009 1:20:31 PM

Quote :

"they provide things, like interviews with recruits, that PP and TWP would normally make premium content"

Which is why it's silly to think that PP (and scout.com) -- a for-profit entity -- would in any way help out WPH.

5/25/2009 1:21:52 PM

I don't think a thread should be allowed, but I think it's ok if someone just posts a little blurb in one of the threads saying that the WPH site might cover Harrow, Cothron, & Parker at the Pangos if they get enough money. People post info from Rivals on there all the time, and there would definitely be info from WPH's coverage posted in the bball recruiting thread over there if they made it out to the Pangos tournament.

5/25/2009 2:11:37 PM

here's some other harrow videos pp had on facebook from the elite 80 showcase and the TOC
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=67345070665&ref=mf
http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=90687780665

[Edited on May 25, 2009 at 5:15 PM. Reason : nasty]

5/25/2009 5:10:45 PM

I always thought it was illegal to do those dunks off the backboard when it obviously is not a shot attempt. Regardless, it looks cool when a little kid like him is doing it.

5/25/2009 5:16:48 PM

I'd like to see us land Tim Hardaway Jr. in 2010.... his dad was such a badass in NBA Jam...

also why doesnt ESPN list us as being considered by Parker or Cothron?

5/25/2009 9:21:21 PM

Quote :

"also why doesnt ESPN list us as being considered by Parker or Cothron?"

SO HELP ME GOD.

5/25/2009 9:24:25 PM

^ that is a double whammy because not only are all those lists never up to date but ESPN's recruiting sites are altogether worthless

5/25/2009 9:47:14 PM

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"I always thought it was illegal to do those dunks off the backboard when it obviously is not a shot attempt. Regardless, it looks cool when a little kid like him is doing it."

If you haven't watched Harrow's videos, do so. At times he honestly looks like a video game character out there. Aside from just how freakin' quick he is with that wicked crossover, just watch how high he jumps on those dunks. He's barely over 6 feet tall, yet he's doing "trick-shot" dunks with ease.

2010 just can't get here soon enough.

5/26/2009 8:14:57 AM

damn WPH only needs $220 to get out there to cover Harrow and co.

definately a big push last night/this morning

5/26/2009 11:12:54 AM

Wow! That's really not that much to make up. I think they could end up getting to the needed amount pretty easily now.

5/26/2009 11:15:04 AM

This Harrow kid looks pretty good, how long until he comes to his senses and decommits?

5/26/2009 11:27:53 AM

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"This Harrow kid looks pretty good, how long until he comes to his senses and decommits? "

Once he sees how good our backcourt is with Gonzalez, Mays, Brown, and Wood he'll probably realize we don't need him and back out.

I'm convinced this is why we didn't get Wall as well.

5/26/2009 11:33:58 AM

Harrow has made it known that he's 100% solid to State as long as Sidney Lowe is here. So I have no worries about him decommitting, I really didn't have as much faith in CJL staying committed to us.

5/26/2009 11:35:35 AM

^,^^

Both of yall suck. I hope you're neither students nor fans of NC State.

5/26/2009 11:46:12 AM

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"I really didn't have as much faith in CJL staying committed to us"

i feel like as soon as leslie committed i was expecting him to decommit. i don't know what it was.

5/26/2009 11:48:34 AM

I think a good part of it was the fact he was just a freshmen at the time. Typically those type of commitments can be hard to keep for 3-4 years. Then added to the 5-stars, the hype, and being good friends with John Wall and seeing how much attention he got, I wasn't surprised at all. That being said, I hope he still comes back to us, I think it would speak volumes for our coaches if they could get him back in the fold after all these big name programs have been talking to him.

5/26/2009 12:32:03 PM

he was a sophomore, but w/e. personally, i've forgotten about him.

5/26/2009 1:04:50 PM

He isn't coming. He'll probably end up at Kentucky, and we'll get Cothron and Parker and be more happy

5/26/2009 1:27:52 PM