daddywill88 All American 710 Posts user info edit post |
125 pages of credibility
[Edited on January 11, 2015 at 4:12 PM. Reason : .]
1/11/2015 4:12:01 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25536 Posts user info edit post |
^that is a thing of beauty 1/11/2015 4:12:55 PM |
ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
Defense was pretty solid today. Credibility points 1/11/2015 4:42:14 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
3 games in a row of solid ass defense. theres been changes made. he's simplified it for the players and we are seeing the results. 1/11/2015 4:43:20 PM |
HaLo All American 14263 Posts user info edit post |
The bigs played great today, if he can get that type of production each night we're a force 1/11/2015 4:44:13 PM |
freshmeat All American 1102 Posts user info edit post |
...but Herb Sendek was the best 1/11/2015 4:53:24 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
I've been critical at times but the defensive game plan ok Okafor was perfection. Weak side doubles every touch and just like when UCONN did it to Brand in 99, K had no clue how to counter. 1/12/2015 8:22:04 AM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
F it, after the butt slap I'm all in. More credible than Herb or Sidney ever were! 1/12/2015 9:11:38 AM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Hes doing a good job with this team but has no clue how to sub. Fuck. 1/14/2015 8:27:30 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
face would be proud since his philosophy is play guys until they foul out 1/14/2015 8:31:20 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Unless they are tored or not that important hes right 1/14/2015 8:34:12 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
then end of game management was awful. 7 seconds left down three so in bound the ball in the backcourt to a non-shooter who is lackadaisical bringing the ball up. brilliant 1/14/2015 9:15:20 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
The zone is all i can really complain about. Lost to a great team by 2. 1/14/2015 9:18:07 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
he went to zone because they were carving up our man to man
granted its the same "this dumb shit isnt working so let's try some other dumb shit" we've seen before where he's throwing stuff at the wall in desperation but we were screwed either way. probably should have realized it wouldnt be any better when the play we switched to it paige nailed an open 3 1/14/2015 9:22:43 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27840 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah that 7 seconds remaining inbound nonplay was atrocious. 1/14/2015 9:23:49 PM |
rflong All American 11472 Posts user info edit post |
Team didn't quit and almost pulled a miracle on night when UNC seemingly couldn't miss, especially Paige, and we couldn't hit the ocean from a beach until the end of the game. Went 1-2 in a one week gauntlet against three top-15 teams and played tough in all three. This is encouraging from our still developing team. 1/14/2015 9:27:49 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
^I will definitely take that perspective once I momentarily get over tonight's loss. 1/14/2015 9:36:33 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
i thought we went to the zone when turner picked up his 3rd foul. didn't think it was because they were scoring. they had like 32 points at the half. 1/14/2015 9:41:17 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
i wonder what we do about the bigs situation. i have a feeling freeman either gets convinced to redshirt next year or one of them transfers 1/14/2015 9:47:11 PM |
spencer All American 3640 Posts user info edit post |
not sure why either of those would need to happen. yeah, he didn't play much tonight, but he was not very effective. he's played plenty in other games when he was playing better. 1/14/2015 9:52:23 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
I love Freeman's intensity on the glass, but he is non-existent on offense. I would rather have Anya and/or Washington and/or Abu out there. 1/14/2015 9:54:22 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
washington probably hires an agent. 1/14/2015 9:55:53 PM |
titans78 All American 4038 Posts user info edit post |
It will be big for Gott to keep all the big men but I have a feeling at least one will go. Just the nature of college basketball these days.
Gott has this team fighting. Our bigs are super young and improving. Cat is playing better. Defense improving.
I've heard more then enough about how young other teams are but our veterans are three transfer players and one hardly plays. The room for continued improvement is there with the youth and since being called out by Gott the effort and intensity is there. We just go in long painful stretches on offense where we are lost. Especially the first 4 minutes of the game where we must average 2 points.
And +1 to Gott for bringing in Turner and Lacey. Imagine this team without them. He really filled some massive recruiting holes that occurred not on his watch. 1/14/2015 10:07:13 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Despite my tongue-in-cheek earlier, I did like when he brought Anya and Turner back in with 4 fouls. No sense in sitting them if we lose a lead and the deficit keeps growing. 1/14/2015 10:08:58 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
I can't figure out why Barber plays so much more than Lee. They should be splitting those minutes. 1/14/2015 10:29:38 PM |
ncstatetke All American 41128 Posts user info edit post |
Lee had 17 double-digit scoring games last year. dude is probably the 4th best player on the roster
Gott is an idiot for not giving him more playing time 1/14/2015 10:57:00 PM |
natureboy All American 2803 Posts user info edit post |
Lee is a good defender but barber is pretty good too. Lee might offer slightly more than barber in scoring because he gets fouled a lot driving but is not much of a shooter either. Barber is a better ball handler in terms of being a point guard. I remember Lee played a little point last year and there were lots of turnovers. 1/14/2015 11:32:10 PM |
skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
Lee is fucking terrible and has no upside.
It's better to try to develop Cat than go with someone who is just as bad.
If Washington isn't rebounding or defending, he needs to sit, regardless of what he scores. Abu, Anya, Washington, and Freeman are all in the same ballpark offensively. You have to pick the two who are defending and rebounding better on that particular night.
Washington was getting destroyed today.
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goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
If you had told me we'd come out of Pitt-UVA-Duke-UNC at 2-2 two months ago, I would gladly have taken it. 4-0 ended up not being completely out of reach. Depending on the ND suspensions, State could easily go 5-1 in the next 6 games. I'll take it. Credible. 1/15/2015 9:02:38 AM |
wolfpack2105 All American 12428 Posts user info edit post |
Cat is a sophomore who Gott spent years recruiting. Lee is a senior who will be gone in 3 months. Their offense is similarly limited, their handles are similar. Obviously you play the guy with more upside and that will be here longer. 1/15/2015 9:05:06 AM |
DalCowboys All American 1945 Posts user info edit post |
^^ What suspensions? I thought they just had a guy (not named Grant) out vs GT due to injury . 1/15/2015 9:08:14 AM |
Doss2k All American 18474 Posts user info edit post |
I am still not sure what to think about Cat. I mean I dont see him playing bad constantly, but I also dont feel like he is doing anything special. It kinda feels like he is just a guy out there not really doing a whole lot. I realize he is still learning to be an actual point guard, but I wish I saw a little more offensive push out of him. Seems like we should see more blowing by guys to the basket or drawing and dishing but I just dont feel like I see that very much from him. 1/15/2015 9:30:13 AM |
Ribs All American 10713 Posts user info edit post |
Careful.
If you dare to criticize Cat in any way the pitchforks come out. He gets an eternal pass from this fan base. 1/15/2015 9:34:39 AM |
JP All American 16807 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^^ What suspensions? I thought they just had a guy (not named Grant) out vs GT due to injury ." |
Zach Auguste is currently ruled out due to academics, not injury. There's no timetable on his return, but he is currently their 2nd leading scorer & 2nd leading rebounder---clearly a significant loss for them at the moment.1/15/2015 9:38:30 AM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " Abu, Anya, Washington, and Freeman are all in the same ballpark offensively" |
Washington is light-years ahead of Freeman offensively1/15/2015 11:18:47 AM |
wolfpack2105 All American 12428 Posts user info edit post |
^Abu and Anya, as raw as they are, are as well.
Offensive Game: Washington.........Abu...Anya...............Freeman 1/15/2015 11:23:32 AM |
synapse play so hard 60939 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " Abu, Anya, Washington, and Freeman are all in the same ballpark offensively." |
Quote : | "Washington was getting destroyed today." |
Dude's gotta be trolling with this shit right?1/15/2015 11:35:09 AM |
cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
You are correct. 1/15/2015 11:36:15 AM |
robster All American 3545 Posts user info edit post |
Paige was lights out ... even when well defended. Nothing Gott can do about that. Props to him for having another career night against us.
Anya was limited by the quick touchy/phantom fouls ... that had more impact on the game than most admit or understand.
Washington should have gotten the ball more when we were in offensive depressions ... he was consistent all night (even though I cringe every time he takes a damn jumpshot with two feet on the three pt. line).
Lacey was held all night long - you cant ignore that as a ref ... heads should roll
Cat is a pretty consistent QUICK pt guard. However, he lacks the killer instinct to get the job done. Lacey should have been bringing the ball up the court with 7 left.
Gottfried obviously didnt think about them never giving us a chance to shoot the 3 on that possession. If he had, it would have been a screen to lacey with instructions to jump as soon as they came to foul him - and put up a shot if they touch you, pass to turner or cat or washington (hot hand) on the wings if they don't foul you ... but obviously that didnt happen. I blame that on coaching and on Cat's lack of killer instinct in the heat of the moment.
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PackGuitar All American 6059 Posts user info edit post |
yea the 7 seconds left '3 pt needing play' was horribly coached. next time dont even call timeout if you are going to go back on the court being that unprepared.
but i still like gottfried a lot, no credibility lost. just a bad coach in those situations. he's better off not even coaching those moments. 1/15/2015 2:48:51 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
We run the same middle school level play when we nees a 3. Put the shooter on the baseline bigs on each block and run the shooter off them as screens to the same direction the pg dribbles for the 3. 1/15/2015 2:59:03 PM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "We run the same middle school NBA level play when we nees a 3. Put the shooter on the baseline bigs on each block and run the shooter off them as screens to the same direction the pg dribbles for the 3." |
Dude's a fantastic coach.1/15/2015 3:20:15 PM |
GingaNinja All American 7177 Posts user info edit post |
Insufferable. 1/15/2015 3:24:11 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
The sad part about your point is that nba level offense might be even less sophisticated. Get out of your best players way amd watch him score is common late game strategy there. 1/15/2015 5:33:17 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25536 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i wonder what we do about the bigs situation. i have a feeling freeman either gets convinced to redshirt next year or one of them transfers" |
i really feel like freemn has regressed this year. not that he was great last year, but he was consistent force on the glass and could score some junk points by just being in good position around the rim. now he's even more non-existent offensively. he's still solid on the boards, but he really hasn't progressed like i hope he would.
Quote : | "Lee had 17 double-digit scoring games last year. dude is probably the 4th best player on the roster " |
ahahahahahahaah1/15/2015 6:15:33 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The sad part about your point is nba level offense might be even less sophisticated. " |
What?? NBA offenses are super complex, at least the good ones. They have to be to defeat NBA defenses.1/15/2015 7:25:18 PM |
tower All American 12280 Posts user info edit post |
freemans problem is that he tried to add stuff to his game. his whole gimmick last year was that he got the fuck out of the way of the good players and rebounded. this year he comes out and is shooting 16 footers. tyler fucking hansbrough didnt start taking those shots until his senior year. then he gets stuffed trying to post up and now its in his head and he's even getting stuffed on putbacks
as for lee, i'm mostly with gott on benching him. there simply isnt the room. but some games he needs to play in place of cat and last night was one of them. lacey wouldve rotated over to the 1 so he wouldnt be guarded by tokoto which wouldve been huge. and while lee in theory brings the same things to the table as cat, he's just more dynamic and decisive in the half court. sometimes thats to his detriment and that's fine - you get him the fuck out of the game when it's not working 1/15/2015 9:14:49 PM |
justinh524 Sprots Talk Mod 27840 Posts user info edit post |
If lacey and lee were the guards, tokoto would still guard lacey. 1/15/2015 9:16:36 PM |
dmspack oh we back 25536 Posts user info edit post |
Yeah I'm fine with the Martins playing over Lee...a few times Lee has come off the bench and provided a spark. But he's simply not good enough to be getting 15 mins/game 1/16/2015 8:43:27 AM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Going back to the zone after what happended wednesday? 1/17/2015 3:25:00 PM |