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11/22/2009 11:17:55 PM

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"hickson wasnt a pg. pg is the most important position on the court."

he also was inserted into a starting position when he clearly was a few months if not a year away from being ready just so he could go pro.

hickson used lowe. he did absolutely nothing for NC State and he introduced us to the sulker in costner. it is always a good idea to take away a starting position away from one and significanly reduce the minutes of another of 2 players who took you to the acc finals the year before so that a player can get a higher draft position.

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"You guys bitch about Herb and say we didn't do anything with Hodge but I kind of liked making the tournament every year and occasionally getting a Sweet 16"

i would absolutely kill just to make the ncaa tourney right now, hell, this year i'd even take the NIT.

[Edited on November 22, 2009 at 11:21 PM. Reason : i lived though les, i've paid my sports penance...]

11/22/2009 11:20:00 PM

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" hickson used lowe"

yes, but whose decsion was it to recruit him?

maybe not lowe's fault as he is not a seer, but coaches are responsible for recruiting the players they need, not just * levels

11/22/2009 11:21:40 PM

i think you are misunderstanding my post. i absolutely blame lowe for getting played.

11/22/2009 11:24:51 PM

[Edited on November 22, 2009 at 11:25 PM. Reason : ]

11/22/2009 11:25:14 PM

how profound and insightful

11/22/2009 11:26:35 PM

take it outside, please?

11/22/2009 11:30:11 PM

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"hickson used lowe"

and lowe used hickson

how else is he gonna get nba caliber talent if he doesnt prove he can make somebody a first round pick?

11/22/2009 11:35:51 PM

if lowe had played his cards right, he could have slow played hickson, got him to stay another year and maybe showed that he could develop a top 10 pick

i mean, hickson showed barely any improvement that season. when he came in, he couldnt handle/pass out of a double team and didnt have the lower body strenght to bang w/ acc caliber forwards/centers, when he left, he couldnt handle/pass out of a double team and didnt have the lower body strenght to bang w/ acc caliber forwards/centers. i'm not sure how that proves lowe's developmental skills. all it shows is that lowe will let you takeover his team as a tryout for the nba.


anyway, ill just leave it at saying that tonight's win is a positive and a step in the right direction, but by no means a sign of great things to come. lets win a couple more against good competition before giving out any "most improved" awards.

11/22/2009 11:42:15 PM

lol if you think there was any scenario in which hickson wouldve stayed in college for 2 years

11/22/2009 11:43:33 PM

god you act like the dude is carmelo fucking anthony

i shudder at the scenario i am about to use, but if hickson had gone to unc or duke he absolutely would have stayed 2 years. they would have made him work to get PT and pointed out areas he needed to improve and convince him he could be a lottery/top 10 if he waited.

good coaches are shown by their ability to improve talent. recruiting ability is essential, of course, but it is for shit if you cant improve talent. the players that come out of hs ready to star in college are few and far between.

11/22/2009 11:47:29 PM

there's a reason he didnt go to duke or unc. he came from downtown atlanta, was poor as shit and raised by his grandmother because both his parents died when he was young. it's not like he was some hyped up nba prospect. he went 19th overall

he was going pro after 1 year no matter what we fucking did. Do you want to go tell Jim Boeheim and whoever the Texas A&M coach was what they couldve done differently to keep Donte Green and DeAndre Jordan in college for more than a year?

11/22/2009 11:58:25 PM

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"he also was inserted into a starting position when he clearly was a few months if not a year away from being ready just so he could go pro."

Lol, that few months if a year away from being ready Hickson was inserted into a starting position because Costner was recovering from an injury and Lowe didn't wanna make him do too much. After his first game he had what was it...31 points and 12 boards? I don't remember exactly but it was the best first game a freshman had EVER had at State. As he continued to be the only one on the team who could score inside consistently, he definitely proved he was ready to start in the ACC from day one.

11/23/2009 12:00:05 AM

still credible.

GWC champs bitches and i know half this board thought we'd lose all 3

11/23/2009 1:44:02 AM

i give it 2 days before someone mentions the potential banner

11/23/2009 2:32:33 AM

good win, according to the Sagarin ratings we are a pretty good team this year. Keep winning.

11/23/2009 6:49:59 AM

Hickson was more ready that season than Costner or McCauley. Any player that comes into the season out of shape and sulks after losing playing time has noone to blame but themself.

11/23/2009 10:48:47 AM

^ I agree. Hickson earned his PT, mainly b/c otherwise... who else is playing the 5? McCauley? People forget that Big Ben was supposed to be more of a SF/PF hybrid (playing both down low and on the wing). Basically he was a bigger, more talented Dennis Horner without the couple dozen tattoos Ben bulked up his Jr and Sr years to compensate for our depleted frontcourt. He was good, but let's not forget that true low post players ate him for lunch routinely, and he was nowhere to be found offensively against a true center or big PF. Anyone else at the 5 would have been just as bad if not worse.

Question - Anyone else surprised to see Scott Wood getting 30+ minutes as a freshman? He's not exactly excelled thus far, and yes I've been on his bandwagon for a while now, but I'm still amazed that he's playing so much this quickly. (Note: I know this Q doesn't truly belong in this thread, but didn't see anywhere else to put it)

Right now I'm most worried about the 2 and 3. Javi seems to be handling PG, which is great. But CJW is struggling, Degand is pushing Lowe's buttons with his grades, and Thomas apparently can't beat out two unheralded freshmen for PT. The only upside I see here is that CJL wants to play the 3 as opposed to the 4 (thus getting matched up against more physical players). I think PT won't be a problem for him

Cothron on the other hand may be wary of having to compete with V-berg, Smith, Painter, and Howell for PT at the 4/5. Crazy how much depth State now has at these positions. I think Painter, as athletic as he is, could potentially move to the 3, but he'd need to develop an outside shot.

11/23/2009 1:16:53 PM

Howell could play the 3 better than Costner could. Luke would probably end up getting around 10-15 minutes a game as a freshman and more as a Sophomore when Smith leaves.

11/23/2009 5:29:58 PM

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"Anyone else surprised to see Scott Wood getting 30+ minutes as a freshman? He's not exactly excelled thus far"

He's the third leading scorer on the team (although some of that comes from being out there 30 minutes) and has been taking care of the ball. What else do you want from him as a freshmen?

Plus, who else is going to play the 3 right now?

11/23/2009 6:52:32 PM

^^^

damn! you plan on copyrighting that book? lol

11/23/2009 7:02:32 PM

Wood's exceeded my expectations thus far.

11/23/2009 7:23:21 PM

Agreed, with some more experience he'll be a really great player, he already knows how to shoot.

11/23/2009 7:27:41 PM

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"Plus, who else is going to play the 3 right now?"

exactly

except I still have my doubts about whether he'll be fast enough to guard other wings in ACC play...wonder if CJ might be a better option around then just for defense.

11/23/2009 7:36:21 PM

Wood is going to be a stud as he gets more comfortable and those shots start falling

11/23/2009 8:24:47 PM

Actually, all the freshmen have exceeded my expectations thus far... Well, except Painter. He's about where I expected him to be at this point in the season. I'm looking forward to seeing Howell.

11/23/2009 8:54:57 PM

Wood has been an asset despite his shot not falling yet. Can't see how anyone could be upset with what he's given us

11/23/2009 9:01:17 PM

I haven't seen him play yet and i hope for the best, but based on the box scores Wood is going to get destroyed by ACC competition. He's already turning the ball over or missing a shot nearly every time he gets an opportunity to.

If you are reading this board Wood do yourself a favor. If you are open, shoot. If you are guarded by a white guy improvise. If you are guarded by a black guy, pass.

11/23/2009 9:27:04 PM

OMG what should he do if an asian is guarding him? You stupid shit head who hasn't even seen him play

Scott looks very good out there for his 4th college game. I'm glad he's not afraid to pull the trigger. I think he'll contribute to the team a lot in the next 4 years.

11/23/2009 9:30:07 PM

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"I haven't seen him play yet "

11/23/2009 9:34:31 PM

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"He's already turning the ball over or missing a shot nearly every time he gets an opportunity to."

Well you already admitted you haven't seen the games, but apparently you aren't reading the box score either. He's turning the ball over about once every 15 minutes of playing time. That is pretty good IMO.

11/23/2009 9:36:06 PM

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"Scott looks very good out there for his 4th college game...I think he'll contribute to the team a lot in the next 4 years."

Agreed. Wood's shot isn't falling consistently just yet, but he's not completely missing everything. Hell, he was 4-4 his first game. He has one of the purest shots I've seen on the college level.

But everybody knew he could shoot. The thing that has REALLY surprised me is how athletic he is. He's not a freak or anything, but for a white guy known for his shot, he's surprisingly fluid and quick. Plus, he's really solid on defense. If you watch him, he's got quick hands and is constantly causing deflections. He's going to be a great one before he leaves.



[Edited on November 23, 2009 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ]

11/23/2009 9:41:06 PM

is rallydurham a troll? that sounded suspiciously trolly.

11/23/2009 9:41:12 PM

so when is howell supposed to be ready to go?

11/23/2009 9:41:44 PM

apparently he was practicing last week

11/23/2009 10:08:58 PM

^^^ dude you think EVERYBODY is a troll. You're like a retarded child or something.

11/23/2009 10:13:21 PM

incredible. a claim to not be a troll that includes calling someone a retarded child.

no, you may not be a troll, but you sure are a huge dick. but you've shown you're okay with that, OhBoyeee.

11/23/2009 10:33:53 PM

Ah rally... where shall I begin...

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"I haven't seen him play yet"

Which undermines any claims that your "analysis" is at all accurate or relevant.

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"and i hope for the best"

Nice to to hear you're optimistic...

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"but"

damn I knew I spoke too soon...

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" based on the box scores "

Which mean diddly squat 4 games into a college bball season

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"Wood is going to get destroyed by ACC competition."

Ah good thing you're not drawing overly grand conclusions based on your admittedly speculative observations of box scores

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" He's already turning the ball over or missing a shot nearly every time he gets an opportunity to."

Amazing insight for someone that hasn't even watched the guy play.

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"If you are reading this board Wood"

He isn't.

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" do yourself a favor. "

"Don't listen to rallydurham... ever..."

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"If you are open, shoot. "

A novel concept.

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"If you are guarded by a white guy improvise."

???

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"If you are guarded by a black guy, pass."

still confused... oh wait... you're saying white people suck at bball and black people don't. Ah now I get it... wait no... that still makes no fucking sense...


And FTR, Scott so far has:
- a 1/1 assist/TO ratio (2/2 per game)
- 46.4% FG % (not bad)
- 30% three-pt % (bad, but not horrible especially for a freshman)
- 2 blocks & 2 assists in 4 games, plus 4/5 FTs... all fine...


Lastly, Scott got the starting gig and 30 min/night b/c he's the best player available. Lowe has faith in the guy. Yes he's struggled to find his shot so far. Give the kid time. He needs to get experience, particularly when it comes to the grind of playing against bigger players. Can't get that on the bench.

[Edited on November 23, 2009 at 10:46 PM. Reason : /]

11/23/2009 10:45:00 PM

^ damn you spent way too much time on that post when you could have just called him a dumbass

11/23/2009 10:52:43 PM

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"He has one of the purest shots I've seen on the college level."

Wow. What's up hyperbole. Unless this is your first year ever watching college basketball.

Three guys in the last decade stand out to me as far as being able to create their own shot against anyone from 3 and absolutely having pure strokes:

Salim Stoudamaire, Stephen Curry and Ben Gordon.

Wood might someday be a very good three point shooter and ACC player, but that quote is insanity at this point.

11/23/2009 10:57:48 PM

^^ Call him a dumbass huh? Oooh, that's tellin' him

11/23/2009 11:51:18 PM

28th in the nation!!!111

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/bkt0910.htm

11/23/2009 11:59:07 PM

at first i read ^^ and i was like holy shit shortest erios post ever...then i scrolled up to ^^^^^ and was like

11/24/2009 12:01:36 AM

We also had the best Pass Defense in the NCAA after 3 games....

11/24/2009 12:02:10 AM

I'll take what we can get!

11/24/2009 12:04:40 AM

somebody forgot to mention the guy that hit the most 3s ever and is 2nd all time in scoring. wow.

11/24/2009 6:27:41 AM

If an asian guy is guarding him he should post him up. That's basketball 101

11/24/2009 8:25:19 AM

^ If you're tying to be funny, you're not. You are however succeeding in being a jackass. Just FYI

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""He has one of the purest shots I've seen on the college level.""

That sounds far-fetched I agree, but I'll amend it to say "Wood has one of the purest shots I've seen for a college recruit." Watched his videos, and it's clear to me that the kid does in fact take 500 shots a day. In high school Scott would routinely pull up 5-6 feet behind the arc and drain it. He also shot ~90% from the line. He's got the potential. I just think it's a matter of time and experience before he gets rolling.

11/24/2009 8:34:24 AM

^^Agree. You always post up the Asian guy.

11/24/2009 8:37:31 AM

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"somebody forgot to mention the guy that hit the most 3s ever and is 2nd all time in scoring. wow."

You mean the guy who needed double screens and the entire offense set up to run through him to get his own shot? Does my post sound like I should include him?

Redick is a great shooter, but I was purely making mention of those who could get their own shots at any time with a pure stroke.

This is exactly why guys who pretend to be chicks shouldn't be posting in Sports Talk.

11/24/2009 8:47:20 AM