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9/23/2007 7:08:30 PM

but...but...we beat wofford who beat app state who beat michigan who beat penn state.

[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 7:11 PM. Reason : ]

9/23/2007 7:11:11 PM

i usually dont agree with rally, but this is on point:

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"Furthermore, we still have a chance to be competitive this year. None of the games we've played this year have been winnable except the UCF game which we nearly had a big comeback victory in. I find it hilarious how everyone defended Chuck and Herb's sorry ass to death but they're ready to can TOB from the get go. Give him a goddam chance he's clearly the best football coach we've had since Lou Holtz. Look at the numbers and blow me"

9/23/2007 7:31:38 PM

i'm about to cancel my packpride subscription b/c all the forums are are old guys saying they've "lost faith" in this staff.

9/23/2007 7:33:25 PM

I know, the negativity on that board is ridiculous, like most of their statements.


[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 8:10 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2007 8:08:19 PM

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"Ok, no more fucking bush on the Official Game thread. Last year you did a good job and were moderately lucky. But now you're sucking. Stick to what works and lose the Bush photoshops. "

9/23/2007 8:09:56 PM

i vote to keep W



4 MORE YEARS

4 MORE YEARS

9/23/2007 8:13:39 PM

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"I know, the negativity on this board is ridiculous, like most of their statements."

there was never any reason to have faith in this coaching staff based on the mediocrity of their bc peak and any possible faith to be gained is gone because the first few games are a major indicator of what kind of coaching staff you have. Great coaches simply don't need years to make the team look like an organized football team.

I don't think anybodys saying we should be winning these games but there should not be disappointment in every aspect of the game, even game management.

9/23/2007 8:37:38 PM

^Don't feed the troll

[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 9:03 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2007 8:47:38 PM

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"the first few games are a major indicator of what kind of coaching staff you have. Great coaches simply don't need years to make the team look like an organized football team. "

Rich Rogriguez 1st year at WVU 3-8
Bobby Bowden 1st year at FSU 5-6
Joe Paterno 1st year at PSU 5-5
Pete Carroll 1st year at USC 6-6

should I continue? Fag.

9/23/2007 9:26:35 PM

Fulmer was 10-2 his first full year



but he sucks

9/23/2007 9:32:48 PM

like i said, theres more to it than wins and losses. We could be 1 -3 and have at least seen something of weight from this coaching staff to have hope on and i'd be delighted but they have seemed nothing but incompetent. There are absolutely no good areas on this football team and the play calling has not been there at all. I would be happy if the only thing going wrong was the other team just being better but there is far more wrong with this team.

all the coaches you listed had competitive football teams but weren't quite there (you know, kind of like us every year under chuck). Also look at bc. Nothing says average coach better than a new no-name coach replacing you and making youre decent team look great right off the bat.

9/23/2007 9:39:10 PM

B/c BC sucked the last 7 years (by winning 7 straight bowl games, having no athletes to recruit in NE but still making 7 bowls in a row, having no facilities, faggots as students who don't go to games and make noise, coaching in a town dominated by pro teams, etc..)

Fag.

9/23/2007 9:58:44 PM

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"winning 7 straight bowl games"

i support tob, but please stop bringing this worthless goddamn stat up. bowls are meaningless. it's like giving herb props for making the tournament.

9/23/2007 10:22:58 PM

It's as meaningful as recruiting rankings. It's not worthless. It means you won at least 7 games for 7 straight years. But sure, it depends on who you play.

Although recruiting rankings are completely worthless.

[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 10:37 PM. Reason : I know.]

9/23/2007 10:36:14 PM

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"all the coaches you listed had competitive football teams but weren't quite there "

paterno and bowden started coaching at their schools prob before your dad was even born, so im not sure how you would even know how competitive they were

9/23/2007 10:40:04 PM

Winning 7 straight bowls is a worthless stat?

I don't see how. You are usually matched with an even team so coaching to a win seems like a good thing.

9/23/2007 10:40:46 PM

yea, id like anyone to look at coaches total wins in bowl games in their career compared to the 7 in a row by TOB....7 in a row!

a lot of coaches dont even have 7 bowl victories, let alone TOB with 7 in a row


[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 10:47 PM. Reason : actually, i thought it was 6, but ive been going with 7 with cause i dont feel like looking it up]

9/23/2007 10:45:24 PM

I agree


we have played the two hardest teams in the ACC in Clemson and BC with two totally different game plans.

we play wofford who has a triple option that can win games for sure against good teams(App State)
we play UCF who has already shown that they are still a good team and can run the ball and play against good teams



basically...we have played REALLY strong teams and we are filling in sooooooo many spots

lets let TOB get a year under his belt

9/23/2007 10:49:09 PM

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"a lot of coaches dont even have 7 bowl victories, let alone TOB with 7 in a row"

yeah, but they're shitty bowls.

bring up his olinemen in the nfl, bring up his 9win seasons, but don't bring up his "bowl" wins. .500 teams make bowls these days.

9/23/2007 10:52:45 PM

.500 teams dont win that many in a row

9/23/2007 10:56:36 PM

that's not the point.

9/23/2007 11:02:59 PM

They got shitty bowls because of their shitty fanbase and their losses in what BC fans like to call "wtf" games.

9/23/2007 11:04:36 PM

that still doesn't make "bowl wins" a good stat.

9/23/2007 11:16:02 PM

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".500 teams make bowls these days."

like being .500 would be a bad thing at the moment???

9/23/2007 11:17:46 PM

sigh, the point is that claiming "bowl wins" as anything more than just another win, w/ the history of bowls that bc went to, is basically incorrect.

just making a bowl right now would be great (granted only b/c it would require a .500 record, not b/c making the car care bowl means shit), but don't hang your hat on this guy as a coach b/c of his wins in the car care bowl, or the boise bowl.

all you have to say is his record at bc, it speaks for itself.

9/23/2007 11:23:59 PM

Given that TOB won 9 games a year at BC three years strait and made them a consistent top 25 program without pulling in a single top 25 recruiting class while he was there (according to Scout)

and that he's already got a top 25 recruiting class comming in next year for NCSU, which is better than any class he put together up in BC and better than Amato's last 3 recruiting classes at State, should be evidence that he knows how to build a program. If TOB weren't recruiting well then I'd be concerned, but he's doing a great job and he's proven he can win with his players on the field.


[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 11:37 PM. Reason : .]

9/23/2007 11:33:04 PM

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"Given that TOB won 9 games a year at BC three years strait and made them a consistent top 25 program without pulling in a single top 25 recruiting class while he was there (according to Scout)."

exactly, that speaks for itself, and is relevant.

9/23/2007 11:35:07 PM

^^I agree.

Also when he gets his players in that fit his system, he should have better results too. I hate to say it but maybe Chuck's thugs for lack of a better word may not buy into TOB's system yet.

[Edited on September 23, 2007 at 11:36 PM. Reason : ^That is understandable I guess]

9/23/2007 11:35:35 PM

You look at the personal we have *left* on this team and I think it's pretty clear to see Amato ran this program into the ground. He recruited a bajilion undisciplined, unintelligent skill players...and that's it. The first few games of a new coach is probably the *most* meaningless of any of their games. I don't care who the coach is, the way clemson was running circles around us should have showed anyone just how bad the personel we have right now is. The longer chuck was here, the worse his recruiting classes got...I don't think that's coincidence

The thing that I like most about TOB is the adjustments...we are making adjustments and trying new things...something you rarely saw under chuck.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:06 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2007 12:02:43 PM

detractors of TOB ALREADY just show you how retarded our fanbase is, or rather, how retarded some members of our fanbase are. Give the guy time for fuck's sake! We have a stable of shit QB's, shit OL's, shit DB's - what the hell did you expect him to come in and do? Pull a fucking miracle out of ass? Have some patience or if not, stop watching sports - you're a bunch of shitty fans.

now wonder we get such a bad wrap from other teams as far as fans being delusional, you guys are unbelievable.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:13 PM. Reason : safd]

9/24/2007 12:12:36 PM

It is absolutely rediculous for anyone to give credit to our defense. If a team gets over 30 first downs, the defense is not doing their job. I am pretty sure Clemson averaged over 5 yards on first down, thats rediculous too. Missed tackles, missed assignments, its just ugly out there. The coaches call the formations and put the players in places they need to be, they can't tackle for them.

9/24/2007 12:19:35 PM

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"he knows how to build a program"

we're not trying to build a program. duke is trying to build a program. We built a program under chuck. we're trying to rise to the next level. a level that tob knows nothing about. our goal should not be to win little bowl games (been there, done that) and thats tobs peak potential. 7-9 wins is the best we can ever do IF you guys that beleive in tob turning things around are right and by the looks of the COACHING DECISIONS you guys are probably not even right. Its never a good idea to hire a coach who is hated by his current fan base. Recruiting rankings are a joke. there are about 10-20 great players out there and after that nobody really knows who is who after that its all based on politics, teammates and competition. Some of the best players have been 2 and 3 star recruits.

Why not look at it as a two-way street?

The new bc coach in his first season with somebody elses "undertalented" players is about to have a better season than Tom ever had. What does that tell you?

theres no way this was a great hire. look at unc. they hired a guy who has proven ability to win championships. bc hired a guy from the nfl who nobody knows about his college ability (a sidney lowe) and here we are hiring a guy who has mastered mediocrity and was hated by his own fanbase (a herb)

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"something you rarely saw under chuck. "

blast chuck all you want but the only reason you aren't worshipping him right now is because marcus stone was a bust. Forget the fact that he lead us to our best season ever and put together the nations top defense. if stone was a typical 4 star qb everything would be different.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 12:35 PM. Reason : tob has no personality style or swag]

9/24/2007 12:32:05 PM

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"We built a program under chuck. "

"Programs" don't go 3-9, lose 7 straight, lose to Akron, ECU, and UNC in a matter of a few months, or have a walk-on QB starting.

Shut up Earl you are fucking dumb and are still trying to defend man tits.

9/24/2007 12:41:34 PM

Amato didnt build a program...he had facilities built to start a program...from the past three years I think it is clear that Amato didnt recruit anyone by skill players...you cant judge TOB or Evans or Beck based on this team right now with the offensive line play...Brown cant even get yards becasue there are no holes being created...IMO you can hang all these loses on the lack of offensive line play....

9/24/2007 12:54:52 PM

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""We built a program under chuck. ""

What the fuck? We built facilities and one gator bowl and that's it. Even the gator bowl didnt have us winning the damn ACC or close to it. We also built a shitload of hype, embarassment, bad press and attention from being a running joke due to discipline, Amato's shitty PR, one gator bowl win, and a closet of clown shoes....

Dude, give it a rest.

9/24/2007 12:56:25 PM

DON'T FEED THE TROLL ALIAS!!!!!

9/24/2007 1:03:54 PM

but that gator bowl was the shit

was it not

i was part of the lucky ncsu generation. way back when you could run into torry at blockbuster!!1

9/24/2007 1:04:14 PM

Is as if people forgot we won 3 games last year, and I was at all 3 of those wins. We could have easily gone 1-11 last year. easily.

9/24/2007 1:12:08 PM

^ that is true, but in all fairness we could have easily gone 9-3 last year as well. easily.

9/24/2007 1:20:39 PM

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"^ that is true, but in all fairness we could have easily gone 9-3 last year as well. easily."

And I'd say we had a heck of a lot more talent last year than this year...especially on the defensive side of the ball...that says a lot in itself...

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 3:08 PM. Reason : .]

9/24/2007 3:07:54 PM

We need a Pat Lowery....a team leader/captain on defense and I just don't see one right now.

He really was the best player we had on D last year. Made lots of key tackles.

9/24/2007 3:10:01 PM

well after this year we lose all our lbs and corners

brown, #5, sutton, neal and more. we have like 1 lb that plays returning. we'll be a C+ defense in ncaa08.

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"We built facilities and one gator bowl and that's it. Even the gator bowl didnt have us winning the damn ACC or close to it. "

thats all what building a program is. sure he didn't build a powerhouse or anything but he created the foundation. NCState never won 10 games and was never ranked #11 to end a season. Also don't forget we had key injuries to cotchery, ta and a few more starters towards the end of the season (so if you're going to talk injuries now keep it a 2-way street)

The most important piece of building a program is giving the fans hope and getting attention nationally. Chuck amato put ncstate football on the map and theres no denying that. He also changed the attitude and mindset of Raleigh. He's responsible for our stadium being nice and having nice fascilities instead of a few empty bleachers and hills. He made the wolfpack nation care about football. He filled the stands with people that actually believed we would be perennial acc contenders. The media believed also. Thats how you build a program. He just didn't take it to that next level. Herb and TOB are great coaches when it comes to building and sustaining a program but they are never going to get you to "that" level. I'll take high risk reward failure over guaranteed mediocrity any day.

Sure chuck may have taken shortcuts to becoming a dominant team but thats all a risk in the game whne you're building a program. Our o-line isn't good but it isn't THAT bad either. Nobody has an o-line vs clemson and if you don't have a formidable qb any o-line is going to be exploited. Chuck tried to build a program with a dominant defense, great hbs, good athletic qb and a workable o-line. The qb failed him and thats the only reason he's gone. I'll say it again.

If stone was any other 4star qb...you would be worshiping Chuck. Dennis dixon anyone? Jamarcus Russel?

but this is history and has nothing to do with right now. I don't know why you guys are defending TOB by dissing Chuck thats dumb and a slap in the face to a member of the wolfpack family that did so much for us. The goal was not to get "any other coach as long as he's better than chuck" it was to get a great coach.

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 5:32 PM. Reason : dennis dixon for heisman]

[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 5:35 PM. Reason : russel was a 4* pro style a few ahead of stone dennis dixon was ranked 1 behind stone]

9/24/2007 5:30:35 PM

Cotchery either broke or came close to breaking every receiving record in school history and he didn't even play much his senior year. And its Torry Holt that is ahead of him. When the fuck did he have time to get hurt?

^^and Lowery was short and slow. Just goes to show that smart disciplined football >>>>> fast, stupid football



[Edited on September 24, 2007 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2007 5:43:16 PM

^don't try to overlook the main points in my post. cotch was hurt vs uva and maryland. i think it happened in the gt game.

9/25/2007 12:13:40 AM

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"Chuck Amato Philip Rivers put ncstate football on the map and theres no denying that. "

MOC even recruited Rivers for Chuck. Just imagine if Chuck coached those first 4 years with Jatavis Sanders starting at QB and Jay Davis after him.

9/25/2007 12:17:52 AM

so what. chuck took what was here when he got here and won with it and didn't boo hoo about how the team wasnt loaded with amazing players all over the place. Rivers was sidethrowing a nobody out of hs so don't flip that script either. Chuck made rivers. RED SHOE PROGRAM.

9/25/2007 12:30:18 AM

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"Chuck made rivers."

Okay I know you are trolling but SHUT THE FUCK UP.

If Chuck made Rivers, how come Davis, Stone, Evans, Beck, Burke suck ass?

Norm Chow made Philip Rivers. I mean PR was awesome as a freshmen. He didn't need that much coaching.

9/25/2007 12:37:21 AM

hey, jury's still out on beck.

watch out.

9/25/2007 12:41:39 AM

it's too early in the morning to read this nonsense

9/25/2007 3:31:53 AM