3/10/2008 8:45:27 PM

drunkloaded, why do you think that gas would drop? You heard that too? Even with a gas tax increase? LOL

moron, how would a flat tax strengthen class warfare? Everyone would pay the same percentage of income as everyone else. Thus EVERYONE would have to pay for the increases in spending. Right now its far too easy for the masses to demand every program at the expense of the few. If they had to actually pay for it, they might think more about it.

So mccain wants to make the taxcuts permanent. God forbid people get to keep more of thier own money. I guess we need obama since he has the ability to determine who "needs" their own money. A statement that should scare the hell out of those paying attention.

3/10/2008 8:52:11 PM

idk man call it wishful thinking....cant a man dream?...i dont even have a freaking car now anyways

3/10/2008 8:57:04 PM

you probably dont remember but Hillary and gang were saying vote for democrats in 2006 if you want cheap gas. They are so full of shit.

Actually they want to raise the taxes on gas companies, so that will 100% RAISE the cost of gas. Economics must not be a class taken in law school. And hillary "taking those profits" to spend on research of alternate fuels sounds like a perfectly legal and moral thing to do.

3/10/2008 9:01:48 PM

well anyways i'm guessing the violence is gonna go up as we redeploy our troops...seems like its been going up more lately

3/10/2008 9:06:47 PM

My next door neighbor is really high in the marines. He goes to Afghanistan monthly. He says things are going really well. That the troops are finally getting it and are doing alot of things for themselves. Now they only have about 2 americans per 500 native soilders. He talks about how they have scaled things back, but the armed forces dont want it mentioned bc of a fear of insurgence picking back up.

BTW, he is one of the most impressive people Ive ever met. I admire the hell out of him. He is built like a college linebacker, runs marthons, triatholons, and has received tons of medals for his services over the years. I dont know his rank, but I know he gets to come home every month and then they fly him back once a month for a couple weeks.

3/10/2008 9:13:21 PM

Quote :

"My next door neighbor is really high in the marines."

You mean you leave your moms basement in between posting on the wolf web and the job that you apparently post on the wolf web all day at as well?

3/10/2008 9:18:14 PM

LOL, that sharp wit will take you far in life.

No, Im a home owner. Thanks for contributing to the discussion.

Why the resentment monky? Is it that you disagree with me politically? Consider me successful and more educated? Is it a jealously thing? I dont recall ever attacking you personally, so what is it?

3/10/2008 9:33:35 PM

3/10/2008 9:35:42 PM

Quote :

"moron, how would a flat tax strengthen class warfare? Everyone would pay the same percentage of income as everyone else. Thus EVERYONE would have to pay for the increases in spending. Right now its far too easy for the masses to demand every program at the expense of the few. If they had to actually pay for it, they might think more about it. "

We've been over this before, but flat taxes are innately regressive, which is not going to do anything to help class warfare issues, and would make them more prominent even.

3/11/2008 12:21:28 AM

I propose we just ignore eyedrb when he brings up anything about the economy unless that's actually what the thread is about.

3/11/2008 12:53:07 AM

Looks like Austan Goolsbee, Obama's senior economic adviser, is getting rolled under the bus after his remarks on Obama's trade policy.

Last month, the New Republic portrayed Goolsbee as a driving force in Obama's policy shop. Attributing several of Obama's better ideas to him, such as the automatic tax return. You should read the whole thing, but here's an indicative paragraph.

Quote :

"You'd be hard-pressed to find a political philosopher in Obama's inner wonk-dom. His is dominated by a group of first-rate economists, beginning with Goolsbee, one of the profession's most respected tax experts...Goolsbee, in particular, is an almost unprecedented figure in Democratic politics: an academic economist with a top campaign position and the candidate's ear."

http://www.tnr.com/politics/story.html?id=4d40a39e-8f57-4054-bd99-94bc9d19be1a

This month, Goolsbee has been downgraded to being a volunteer that rarely talks to the candidate.

Quote :

""He's basically a volunteer. He's one of the economists Barack talks to. He's not in close and constant contact with the candidate.""

- David Axelrod, Obama's Campaign Manager

Quote :

""his contact with the campaign has been almost exclusively with staff members""

- HeatherHigginbottom, Obama Policy Adviser
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun_goolsbee-naftamar09,0,6519460.story?page=2

My how things change when you get your candidate in hot water. I doubt this will change anyone's minds about Obama, but it's kinda sad that the best economist involved with any campaign is being treated this way.

[Edited on March 11, 2008 at 2:32 AM. Reason : ``]

3/11/2008 2:31:15 AM

electoral-vote.com has a neat chart up showing what the result would be if democrats did winner takes all. The result up until today: Clinton by ~200

That being said I think winner takes all is a bad idea, much for the same reason I think having 2 parties instead of a dozen or so is undemocratic.

3/11/2008 7:50:44 AM

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"think winner takes all is a bad idea, much for the same reason I think having 2 parties instead of a dozen or so is undemocratic."

signed and agreed. but it is peculiarly "american" to be sure.

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"eyedrb : you probably dont remember but Hillary and gang were saying vote for democrats in 2006 if you want cheap gas. They are so full of shit. "

full of shit? democrats certainly did NOT run on a platform of "vote for us if you want cheap gas"

not only are you just generally wrong, now you've gone to making shit up.

you lose, sir.




[Edited on March 11, 2008 at 8:01 AM. Reason : ]

3/11/2008 7:59:21 AM

Joe, Ive never said anything knowingly false on these boards and I dont make shit up. She did say just that. There is even a video of it.

Here is one of the quotes:

Senator Hillary Clinton even saying this back on July 25, 2006: "Elect Democrats in November if you don't like these outrageous gas prices, if you feel that the oil companies have been given a free ride by the President and Vice President vote for Democrats".

Care to guess what gas prices were in july of 2006, compared to now?

Full of shit? Ill be anxiously awaiting your apology joe.

3/11/2008 8:49:23 AM

Why does anyone think that oil will ever drop appreciably?

3/11/2008 8:53:03 AM

Quote :

""Elect Democrats in November if you don't like these outrageous gas prices, if you feel that the oil companies have been given a free ride by the President and Vice President vote for Democrats"."

I can see where you could read this as lowering the gas prices, however I don't think you're unintelligent enough to actually believe that.

I do however see it as 'Gas is expensive and we're still giving gas companies money, we're going to fix this.'

Anyway, aside from stupid things that you're bringing up in an effort to be a douche:

I read an interesting article from newsweek yesterday that talked about how OPEC is finally starting to function as a cartel and have dramatically shortened their reserves while not increasing their output which has put us in the position that we're in now. The article mused that they can't sustain the current prices forever because of global factors and the fact that they're actually hurting the economies globally, but they will try to keep these prices as high as they can for as long as it's sustainable.

3/11/2008 9:06:36 AM

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haha someone watches arrested development

3/11/2008 9:08:24 AM

3/11/2008 1:05:25 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ghSJsEVf0pU&NR=1

3/11/2008 1:33:43 PM

PAID POLITICAL ANNOUNCEMENT BY SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D- ILL)

My fellow Identity-Americans. As your future President, I want to thank my
supporters, for their... well, support.



Your mindless support of me, despite my complete lack of any legislative
achievement, my pastor's relations with Louis Farrakhan and Libyan dictator
Moamar Quadafi, or my blatantly leftist voting record while I present myself
as some sort of bi-partisan agent of change.



I also like how my supporters claim my youthful drug use and criminal
behavior somehow qualifies me for the Presidency after 8 years of claiming
Bush's youthful drinking disqualifies him. Your hypocrisy is a beacon of
hope shining over a sea of political posing.



I would also like to thank the Kennedy's for coming out in support of me.
There's a lot of glamour behind the Kennedy name, even though JFK started
the Vietnam War, his brother Robert illegally wiretapped Martin Luther King,
Jr. and Teddy killed a teenage girl. And I'm not going anywhere near the
cousins, both literally and figuratively.



And I'd like to thank Oprah Winfrey for her support. Her love of
meaningless empty platitudes will be the force that propels me to the White
House.



Americans should vote for me, not because of my lack of experience or
achievement, but because I make people feel good. Voting for me causes some
white folk to feel relieved of their imagined, racist guilt.



I say things that sound meaningful, but don't really mean anything because
Americans are tired of things having meaning. If things have meaning, then
that means you have to think about them.

Americans are tired of thinking.



It's time to shut down the brain, and open up the heart.



So when you go to vote in the primaries, remember don't think, just do.



And do it for me.



Thank You.


SOOOOOO TRUUUUUE!!!!!!

3/11/2008 7:15:40 PM

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"even though JFK started the Vietnam War"

The Vietnam War started WAY before Kennedy.

Sorry, just had to correct you on being wrong.

3/11/2008 7:27:10 PM

it's all a giant daisy chain starting after the way the WW1 victors divided the spoils

3/11/2008 7:30:55 PM

funny 72, Ive never seen that.

3/11/2008 7:52:46 PM

VOTE W

3/12/2008 8:33:16 AM

NC's primary will be a big deal in May. It will be fun.

Hey Obama supporters let's get this started --

http://obamamedia.wordpress.com/2008/03/06/printable-north-carolina-for-obama-signs/

3/12/2008 3:25:00 PM

Quote :

"“There will be some voters for whom the fact that I’m African American means I’ve got to work a little harder to make the case,’’ Obama said today. “They may be less inclined to give me the benefit of the doubt. "Just as, in fairness to Sen. Clinton, there may be some voters who require her to work a little harder to make the case because she’s a woman,’’ the Illinois senator said at a press conference in Chicago. “But there are probably some people who give me the benefit of the doubt because I’m black and there probably are some who give Sen. Clinton the benefit of the doubt because she’s a woman. “But ultimately, the bottom line is the overwhelming majority of Americans are going to make these decisions based on who they think is going to be the best president,’’ he said. “I have absolute confidence in that. And I have absolute confidence that if I’m doing my job, if I’m delivering my message, that there are very few voters out there that I can’t win over.""

3/12/2008 6:15:22 PM

In Mississipi, 91% of blacks voted for Obama.

I've heard of solidarity, but that's just ridiculous.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 6:31 PM. Reason : 2]

3/12/2008 6:30:26 PM

Who else would they vote for? They had a choice between Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton

Hillary Clinton's camp has been pretty racist lately - what did you expect?

3/12/2008 6:51:46 PM

it seems most of mississippi is pretty racially divided. look at those exit polls. it's pretty staggering really.

3/12/2008 6:54:04 PM

^^You're a fucking idiot and your definition of racist is all fucked up.

Geraldine Ferarro says that Obama's race is actually an advantage in the Democratic primaries and Bill Clinton compared Obama's campaign to Jesse Jackson's a while back so now "Hillary Clinton's camp has been pretty racist lately"?

Am I missing anything? Or you honestly that easily offended by anything not portaying blacks as eternal victims?

Nevermind, I already know the answer.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 7:01 PM. Reason : 2]

3/12/2008 6:59:39 PM

Hillary has been racist???? How??????

3/12/2008 7:27:05 PM

^,^^ I'm not offended - I don't care whether you two fags agree with me or not. It's obvious that Hillary's camp conveniently comes out with something new every fucking week to accentuate the fact that Obama's the black candidate... whether it was the picture, farrakhan bullshit, smear e-mails, and members of her camp that said Obama wouldn't be where he is now if he wasn't black.

I mean, Obama wouldn't be WHO he was if he wasn't black, so the statement was completely out of line anyway.

3/12/2008 7:40:35 PM

nice double negative

3/12/2008 7:43:41 PM

Nice. Hillary asks Obama to denounce a racist...AND THAT MAKES HER RACIST!

Go Hope some more, terp.

3/12/2008 7:51:26 PM

HE ALREADY DENOUNCED HIM - she just tried to twist his words

Go maintain your delusions more, fag

3/12/2008 7:52:59 PM

^ then you're accusing her of playing word games. Not being a racist.

3/12/2008 7:59:51 PM

She is playing words in an attempt to play off an animalistic fear of blacks.

3/12/2008 8:03:01 PM

^ mind-reading is fun.

3/12/2008 8:05:13 PM

I'm reading your mind right now. You are thinking about masturbating to pictures of John McCain fisting Hillary Clinton.

Quote :

"it seems most of mississippi is pretty racially divided. look at those exit polls. it's pretty staggering really. "

African Americans make up 45% of the Democratic electorate in Mississippi. let's just assume there are 1000 democratic voters in Mississippi. 450 of those are black, 550 are white. Obama got 90% of the black vote, or 405 votes. If he only got elected because of blacks, he would have only had 40% of the electorate, but he got 64% of the vote. That means, that Obama ended up with around 43% of the white vote. That isn't a staggering racial divide at all.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:17 PM. Reason : .]

3/12/2008 8:12:17 PM

^ In other words, he got almost 2 "black votes" for ever 1 "white vote". Yah who would call that a racial divide.

Spin is so fun.

PS* I don't care who votes for Obama or their race. They're all likely policy novices that like Obama because they like the way he makes them feel. That's a dangerous way to vote. I prefer to get my emotional confirmation from my family and not my politicians.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:28 PM. Reason : ``]

3/12/2008 8:28:29 PM

How does it feel to be better than everyone else?

3/12/2008 8:29:56 PM

Not everyone...just the people that vote for Obama.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:32 PM. Reason : ]

3/12/2008 8:31:35 PM

^^^^Nice math.

In reality, Obama got 28% of the white vote. Blacks make up 35% of the population in Mississippi but more than 50% of the voters were black.

Obama won overwhelmingly because of one reason, more than 9 out of 10 blacks voted for him. The state is much more racially divided than North Carolina.

[Edited on March 12, 2008 at 8:35 PM. Reason : 2]

3/12/2008 8:35:14 PM

Who wants this: running shit?

3/12/2008 9:23:40 PM

You guys are fucking stupid.




65 years of age and older: Clinton 56%, Obama 44%

17-29 years of age: Obama 67%, Clinton 32%

Here are some additional results shared by CBS News that did not make it into the column, among the roughly 9% of the Mississippi Democratic primary electorate that voted for Clinton but identify as Republicans (n=147):

* 99% are white
* 56% are female
* 47% have a college degree
* 65% report incomes of more than $50,000 a year; 17% report incomes of more than $100,000 a year
* 68% describe themselves as conservative; only 8% describe themselves as liberal

Some addtional substantive items for the same subgroup of Clinton Republicans:

* 54% said Clinton would be more likely than Obama to beat McCain, 37% said Obama would be more likely to beat McCain
* 67% rate the economy as the most important issue facing the country, 22% name the war in Iraq and 8% name the health care as most important issues
* 38% said "has the right experience" was the candidate quality that mattered most when they voted, 20% said "has the best chance to win in November," 15% said "can bring about needed change" and 14% said "cares about people like me"
* 61% thought Clinton attacked Obama unfairly; 55% thought Obama attacked Clinton unfairly.
* 43% decided how they would vote in the last three days or the last week; 55% decided in the last month or before that


Anyway, who cares about Mississippi? Democrats won't win it.

I challenge you guys to come up with some substantial topics related to this discussion and not the bullshit infighting that the republicans are loving. I'm assuming most of you are in college or are recent graduates, you should know that intelligent debate can be had without this abundance of stupidity.

3/12/2008 9:37:26 PM

^ You're wanting less bullshit and more substance, after you couldn't even name a single one of Obama's policies that you support, let alone defend that position with a reasonable argument?
http://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=515359

Really there's nothing left but bullshit. I firmly believe that no one, not a single person supports Obama for his policy positions. And any that claim they do will not be able to defend those positions upon request.

The only thing driving this campaign is bullshit. So that's what people talk about.

[Edited on March 13, 2008 at 5:50 AM. Reason : ``]

3/13/2008 5:45:10 AM

I find myself sitting here trying to figure out why Socks`` feels like this election would be any different than every other election we've ever seen.

3/13/2008 6:50:51 AM

Quote :

"If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn't be in the race."

-Geraldine Ferarro, 1988

Now, I hate Jesse Jackson, but that sounds kind of familiar.

3/13/2008 7:29:54 AM

^ it's deja vu all over again

3/13/2008 8:06:28 AM