Quote :

"Howell actually improved which is encouraging, but for the love of god stop shooting 3s."

Didn't Howell make his only 3 pt attempt?

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 1:18 AM. Reason : ]

12/24/2009 1:16:28 AM

I think he tried 2

12/24/2009 1:17:30 AM

i didn't realize that the PAC10 has lost 13 NBA first rounders in the last 3 seasons

no wonder the conference is so shitty now

12/24/2009 1:17:48 AM

He tried two

12/24/2009 1:17:51 AM

Quote :

"He's a guy you can't help but like"

you're just now realizing this?

Quote :

"3-13 acc comin' right up (if we're lucky)"

whats the bet troll? put up or shut up.

Quote :

"the paint was being manned by Howell, Vandenburg and Painter. What the fuck were you expecting?"

that was the most frustrating thing about that game. without tracy we have NO point game.

Quote :

"horner is not good anywhere. he can't make shots against acc talent because he pump fakes everything since he is shell shocked "

i agree dude pump fakes WAY too much, but without him we wouldn't be 7-3 right now..watch your tongue.

Quote :

"this economy is not a good time to suck if you are a poor black bball player"

way to be a dumbass dude. take a hint, learn how to troll. you suck gonads.

Quote :

"we played outstanding"

obviously you didn't watch the game tonight.

12/24/2009 1:19:18 AM

Quote :

"fuck all of you faggots who think that a loss like this is acceptable and we move forward. 3-13 acc comin' right up (if we're lucky). fuck you fags who think this team has any redeeming qualities. i didn't realize that dissenting opinions = small dick. but you must have voted for pelosi, obama, et al"

Quote :

"all of yall are herb apologists. fuck this team and fuck this performance. this economy is not a good time to suck if you are a poor black bball player. forgiveness is over and performance is everything. i want us to succeed, but it is not going to happen with this regime."

wtf is this lunatic talking about?



[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 1:22 AM. Reason : ]

12/24/2009 1:19:52 AM

Quote :

"i didn't realize that the PAC10 has lost 13 NBA first rounders in the last 3 seasons no wonder the conference is so shitty now"

So has the ACC

12/24/2009 1:21:02 AM

it sure does suck to lose but i must admit that i'm lolling at these comments

12/24/2009 1:24:35 AM

never mind. it's 18 first rounders between the '07 and '09 drafts

and another 10 in the second round....28 total drafted in 3 seasons

my figures were wrong

http://www.nba.com/draft2007/board.html
http://www.nba.com/draft2008/board.html
http://www.nba.com/draft2009/

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 1:37 AM. Reason : wow]

12/24/2009 1:32:53 AM

Vandenberg is only getting credited for one block? That seems a bit off...

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 1:38 AM. Reason : http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=293570012]

12/24/2009 1:37:54 AM

yeah that can't be right

i counted at least 5 or so

12/24/2009 1:40:42 AM

Scott Wood - 8 pts (3-6 FG), 1 stl, 1 ast, 6 reb, 0 TOs
Dennis Horner - 8 pts (3-10 FG, 2-2 FT), 1 blk, 5 reb, 5 TOs
Jordan Vandenberg - 2 pts (1-3 FG), 11 reb, 1 ast, 1 blk (that doesn't seem right), 1 TO
Javier Gonzalez - 18 pts (7-11 FG, 2-2 FT, 10 of Javi's points came in the final 30 seconds), 3 reb, 6 ast, 1 stl, 6 TOs
C.J. Williams - 10 pts (5-10 FG, 0-1 FT), 2 reb, 3 TOs
Richard Howell - 9 pts (3-5, 2-5 FT), 2 reb, 1 ast, 1 stl, 1 TO
DeShawn Painter - 2 pts (1-3 FG), 3 reb, 1 blk, 2 TO
Josh Davis - 4 pts (2-4 FG), 1 reb, 1 TO
Julius Mays - 13 pts (5-13 FG), 4 reb, 4 ast, 1 TO

Team Stats
FG - 45.5% (UA 45.6%)
3PT - 42.1% (UA 38.5%)
FTs - 60.0% (6-10) (UA 70.4% 19-27 that's a huge fucking difference and we were still in the game)
Reb - 37 (UA 25)
O Reb - 13 (UA 5)
Ast - 13 (UA 14)
Stl - 3 (UA 11)
Blk - 3 (UA 3)
TOs - 20 (UA 11)

Officials: Karl Hess ,Gary Maxwell ,Bryan Kersey (Fuck these guys. If I was Lowe I'd ask for them to never be able to officiate a game of ours again.)

12/24/2009 1:42:33 AM

Javi must work on limiting the turnovers!

he's top-10 in the nation for assists per game

but out of the top-120 (for players that average 20+ minutes per game) in assist-to-turnover ratio

12/24/2009 1:45:14 AM

Quote :

"TOs - 20 (UA 11)"

Stat of the game.

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 1:49 AM. Reason : And the free throws]

12/24/2009 1:48:21 AM

^
Here's the problem:

Dennis Horner - 8 pts (3-10 FG, 2-2 FT), 1 blk, 5 reb, 5 TOs

Someone who is barely handling the ball turns it over the most. 3 for CJ is bad, too. You can't understate how much horner fucked us in this game.

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 1:51 AM. Reason : .]

12/24/2009 1:50:42 AM

Dammit, the Nic Wise game winner is No. 1 on SC's Top 10 plays. God how in the world did that guy not get called for a 5th foul during those 5 or so times he clearly fouled?

12/24/2009 1:54:39 AM

2 of Horner's turnovers were on offensive fouls

he needs to focus on body control when he's in the paint

12/24/2009 1:56:45 AM

he needs to focus more on sitting on the bench

12/24/2009 1:58:01 AM

i say start all of the freshmen and don't take them out til mop up time

trial by fire

12/24/2009 2:00:03 AM

Why was javi on the bench for much of the last 5 minutes? "Oh you made a 4 point play? sit down."

Why was Horner our go-to guy for like 5 straight possessions in the last four minutes?

12/24/2009 2:39:41 AM

Because he was our only senior on the floor. Because, of the people eligible to play, he averages the most points, rebounds, and minutes of any of the players on our team. Because he has the most experience. How many reasons do you want?

I thought the team played pretty well. The first half left something to be desired. But it's a team full of freshmen. They are getting better. What I really like is it's evident the team is playing hard. We just didn't get that all the time with Costner/Fells/Grant etc.

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 6:15 AM. Reason : fg]

12/24/2009 6:15:20 AM

are there any other state fans here who usually gamble against ncsu?

CHRISTMAS BONUS!!1

12/24/2009 7:54:27 AM

damn, the buzzer shot was no. 1 on espn

12/24/2009 7:55:02 AM

Quote :

"I'm so fucking sick and tired of hearing all the what IF we do this we win shit after every fucking loss. This is the 4th year of this garbage and it's the same thing with some of you people."

Look, faggot, fuckface, I wasn't justifying anything by my post. On the same line, people wouldn't come here and post over and over the ifs and buts if cock suckers like yourself didn't continually bash coach Lowe for no god damn reason. Lowe had his hands tied last night with his best player on the bench you cunt scab, yet its his fault that Javi dribbled the ball off his foot 4 times last night, and his fault that Horner did the same thing and sucked total cock on both ends of the floor for 40 minutes. How about a player steps up one day? Lowe did nothing to lose that game for us last night. If anything, he's hiding our horrible weaknesses, all of which were evident in the first half.


Its like you people don't fucking watch basketball or even watch our games when you come in here and bitch about Lowe. Do I think he can be better? Sure. Is it his fault we lost these last 2 games? fuck no.

12/24/2009 8:45:18 AM

Quote :

"Look, faggot, fuckface, I wasn't justifying anything by my post. On the same line, people wouldn't come here and post over and over the ifs and buts if cock suckers like yourself didn't continually bash coach Lowe for no god damn reason. Lowe had his hands tied last night with his best player on the bench you cunt scab, yet its his fault that Javi dribbled the ball off his foot 4 times last night, and his fault that Horner did the same thing and sucked total cock on both ends of the floor for 40 minutes. How about a player steps up one day? Lowe did nothing to lose that game for us last night. If anything, he's hiding our horrible weaknesses, all of which were evident in the first half. "

Someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

12/24/2009 8:59:00 AM

I did, merry fucking christmas

12/24/2009 9:00:10 AM

^ Does your family hate you?

12/24/2009 9:23:53 AM

someone (fess up) said we wouldn't score 50+ points in half for the rest of the year: they scored 51

Howell still is a step slow/fat whatever, but he came alive. If vandenburg could move his feet he's gonna be solid, he played pretty well last night against guys who were faster than he was. But you can tell we don't want to throw him the ball on those high screens and UA realized that and Javi/Julius were seemingly always 2x teamed when they got to the top of the key because the big man would never trail Vburg.

It didn't always happen, but during crucial times, there was very little movement by guys without the ball on offense for guys not named Wood, Davis Vburg, or Howell. Horner's body language was bad all game.

As much as losing sucked, we saw glimmers of what could be if these guys can play hard for 40minutes on offense. Defense was a little weak-sauce last night but overall they played pretty well.

As others have mentioned, Javi at times, as good as he was at the end was part of the reason we got into such a big hole.

12/24/2009 10:13:26 AM

wow. i'm normally the biggest lowe apologist around, but i'm surprised at how calm everyone is on here after some pretty questionable coaching...

did javi have a lot of fouls or something? maybe sidney took him out, b/c of all of his turnovers or something, but imo, he should be playing 35+ minutes a game. and when Mays plays with him (which he shouldn't) then Javi should run point. It's miserable watching nothing Mays handle the ball as he attempts to run the offense.

We need to attack the basket more, with our guards. Javi has shown he's capable of driving and dishing. We should do this more.

Why did Howell disappear to the bench and Painter ever appear? Terrible substitution. Maybe he was hurting/really tired?

If Howell and Vandenburg played more, and Horner played less, we would have won. If our freshmen improve over time as much as Smith, and not like Horner.... loook out!

12/24/2009 10:33:56 AM

calm
or
used to it

12/24/2009 11:09:02 AM

Richard Howell= RODNEY ROGERS

12/24/2009 11:23:55 AM

We should start suspending posting privileges for people that don't watch the games.

Most of the people that actually watched the whole thing are like "meh, we're young and getting better". The numbnuts that just got up this morning and looked at the boxscore are all "OMG Lowe sucks! Why did a gimpy Javi only play 20 minutes?!"

12/24/2009 11:35:21 AM

Quote :

"wow. i'm normally the biggest lowe apologist around, but i'm surprised at how calm everyone is on here after some pretty questionable coaching... did javi have a lot of fouls or something? maybe sidney took him out, b/c of all of his turnovers or something, but imo, he should be playing 35+ minutes a game. and when Mays plays with him (which he shouldn't) then Javi should run point. It's miserable watching nothing Mays handle the ball as he attempts to run the offense."

you're an idiot

he's playing with a sore hamstring and at one point late in the game he came down after driving to the basket and you could tell he was in a bit of pain

it's tough for anyone to play 35 mpg, let alone someone with a fucked up leg

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"We need to attack the basket more, with our guards. Javi has shown he's capable of driving and dishing. We should do this more."

that is only effective when you have someone really quick or good outside shooters and we have neither (all of our have been pretty inconsistent thus far), otherwise the defense will just collapse to the interior instead like they do now of sticking to their man on the perimeter

Quote :

"Why did Howell disappear to the bench and Painter ever appear? Terrible substitution. Maybe he was hurting/really tired?"

maybe it's because he is out of shape/coming off of an injury?


[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 11:48 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 11:50 AM. Reason : .]

12/24/2009 11:43:41 AM

Quote :

"As much as losing sucked, we saw glimmers of what could be if these guys can play hard for 40minutes on offense. "

this gets said every single season, the glimmers are never more than that because they never gain enough consistency

I'm just going to leave it open ended, how do players become motivated to play with energy and passion for an entire basketball game? lazy passes, clumsy hands, unforced turnovers are the only thing that is inexcusable because that is just a lack of effort. If they miss open looks, whatever, they aren't skilled but basic fundamentals should be beyond solid by the college level

Of course motivation is some part internal, Javi is a good example of that, but no small part lies on the coaching staff to keep these boys focused and on point. 'Glimmers' show that the players have that potential in them, but they can never get rhythm and confidence and some of that blame lies in forcing set plays and substitutions that break any kind of flow and cohesion

12/24/2009 12:16:24 PM

Quote :

"We should start suspending posting privileges for people that don't watch the games. Most of the people that actually watched the whole thing are like "meh, we're young and getting better". The numbnuts that just got up this morning and looked at the boxscore are all "OMG Lowe sucks! Why did a gimpy Javi only play 20 minutes?!""

this

and with a team this young you should be expecting EVERY road game to be extremely rough

especially a road game played without your best player

it was a 2 point loss. get over yourselves

12/24/2009 1:10:41 PM

i'm still amazed at how people were expecting us to roll in this game with THESE things against us:

1. Road Game
2. Missing our best player(who is averaging a double-double practically)
3. At the 3, 4 and 5 spots we were playing with 5 true freshmen and 1 senior.

Of course, there are things that happened in the game that shouldn't...silly turnovers, etc. But for this team to have fought back like they did, and play like the did in the 2nd half, with the youth that we have....im proud of them.

12/24/2009 1:37:44 PM

the committee will consider the fact that smith didn't play in this game and we still almost won save an amazing coast to coast drive by a guy that should be in the nba. If we beat florida, we still have a very reasonable shot at an at large bid.

12/24/2009 1:57:25 PM

If the Florida that lost to South Alabama at home shows up then we can beat them. If the Florida that beat Mich. St on the road shows up then we are toast.

12/24/2009 2:01:50 PM

even with a win against Florida, we would HAVE to be at least .500 in ACC play

maybe 7-9 would get us in with 2 wins against UNC and/or Duke

12/24/2009 2:03:35 PM

season

of

inches

seriously, why can't you all see that you make the same excuses year after year.

12/24/2009 2:08:22 PM

Lowe and the team will prove all of you people wrong in 1-3 years

12/24/2009 2:09:53 PM

michigan state is overrated as hell. florida aint great but will finish in the top 10 because kentucky and ole miss are the only sec teams capable of beating them so its a great opportunity...

by reasonable i mean .500 in the acc. if we don't don't beat duke and unc we could still sweep a few other teams. Auburn might finish in the top 25 so all we would need is one more top 25 wn in the acc or maybe marquette to have a surprise season for us to have a good resume without beating duke and unc. then of course we have to win probably 2 games in the tournament.

Quote :

"seriously, why can't you all see that you make the same excuses year after year."

look back on the last 3 seasons. this is BY FAR the best we've been at this point since herb was here and a huge improvement from last year when we had an experienced lineup. The way the team plays, unless harrow and brown are worse than javi and horner, we will continue to significantly improve over the next few seasons.

had we completely sucked this year like we were supposed to (or if we tank in acc play) then I will have doubt for the future but as long as we continue to compete, I'll feel good.

Arizona almost beat wisconsin straight up and we hung with them without our best player. Not only is smith our best player, but the entire offense runs through him. This is like if the heat almost beat a middle of the road nba team without d wade.

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 2:16 PM. Reason : great effort]

12/24/2009 2:12:22 PM

^^^shut the fuck up. THe last 2 years the "excuse" has been a bunch of primadonna bitches that had their feelings hurt b/c they didn't wanna put in the work.

This season we have workers, they're just young and raw. We're headed in the right direction....just gotta take some lumps along the way

12/24/2009 2:16:35 PM

been said before

12/24/2009 2:35:33 PM

^tell me when its been said before when we had two 5* top 25 type guards coming in??

12/24/2009 2:53:30 PM

Quote :

"Auburn might finish in the top 25"

LO-fuckin-L.

Yeah a .500 team with losses to Sam Houston State, Missouri State, Troy and UCF is surely Top 25 bound!!!!!

12/24/2009 3:38:48 PM

they might frustrate me because of the turnovers, but this team is still more exciting to watch than the team we've had the last two years. these guys make stupid mistakes, but it's not like costner and fells who only really played when they felt like it.

12/24/2009 4:00:59 PM

Quote :

"If Howell and Vandenburg played more, and Horner played less, we would have won. If our freshmen improve over time as much as Smith, and not like Horner.... loook out!"

ohmy nailed it

12/24/2009 4:13:54 PM

Quote :

"Because he was our only senior on the floor. Because, of the people eligible to play, he averages the most points, rebounds, and minutes of any of the players on our team. Because he has the most experience. How many reasons do you want? "

Were you watching the game? Did you not see how poorly he was doing? I'm sorry but you just don't keep going back to a guy in crunch time that has been failing repeatedly in the midst of a ridiculous off-game. We seriously fed him the ball about five times in a row with under three minutes and he shat himself and gave AZ the ball gift wrapped with absurd turnovers and horrid shots each time. Meanwhile Javi was busy making four point plays and sitting on the bench until it was REALLY crunch time.

[Edited on December 24, 2009 at 4:41 PM. Reason : .]

12/24/2009 4:41:18 PM

I hope whoever wrote that meant something else. Year in school and stats racked up against cupcakes don't mean shit. Actual play on the floor against the current opponent should determine PT. Horner should have been sitting right next to tracy for the whole game.

12/24/2009 5:20:14 PM