"didn't do anything while he was in"? He went out in the first series, he was 2 of 2 passing.

1/8/2010 1:35:33 AM

If a true freshmen had the ball 3:20 on the clock in the 4th down 24-21 to Bama, I would have to believe McCoy would have them in a similar position and more than likely better regardless of how the game played out.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:36 AM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 1:36:00 AM

sigh, ok, the offense didnt do anything while he was in, better?

^ possibly, but I also dont think Bama would have let up in the 3rd and early 4th if McCoy was still in there



I think Bama was clearly the better team, and got too cocky and thought the game was over and got really conservative, especially on defense, and then realized "oh shit, they are still trying" and then stepped it up when they had to

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:40 AM. Reason : d]

1/8/2010 1:36:29 AM

^ He completed 2 passes, they got a first down (and much more) on an end around, and he went down on a 2nd down rushing attempt.

He didn't have time to establish whether the offense was "doing anything" or not, but they were certainly moving the ball.

1/8/2010 1:39:47 AM

he helped lead them to a couple FGs

1/8/2010 1:40:25 AM

^^^ I'm just speaking purely hypothetically because imo the game would have probably played out completely different anyway.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:43 AM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 1:41:25 AM

^^ no he didn't. He went out in the first series.

1st and 10 at ALA 37 Colt McCoy pass complete to Jordan Shipley for 5 yards to the Alab 32.
2nd and 5 at ALA 32 Colt McCoy pass complete to Malcolm Williams for 4 yards to the Alab 28.
3rd and 1 at ALA 28 Cody Johnson rush for 1 yard to the Alab 27 for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at ALA 27 Tre' Newton rush for 16 yards to the Alab 11 out-of-bounds for a 1ST down.
1st and 10 at ALA 11 Colt McCoy rush for no gain to the Alab 11.
2nd and 10 at ALA 11 Timeout TEXAS, clock 10:54.

That's it, those 5 plays were the only ones McCoy played.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/playbyplay?gameId=300070333

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:43 AM. Reason : ]

1/8/2010 1:42:31 AM

If McCoy had been healthy all game, I think it would've been closer throughout but still think Bama would've pulled through.

Instead of Bama being lulled to sleep until late when Texas made a run, I think they would've instead been forced to play tough for more of the game, but I think they would've been up to it.

1/8/2010 1:43:02 AM

and my original point is that he didnt play great against great defenses all year. Bama wouldnt have let up. I still think they would have won with or without McCoy (obviously I thought this because I bet a shitload on them without knowing he would be hurt) and the spread was -4 so Vegas also thought that they would win with or without him

^ exactly

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:44 AM. Reason : d]

1/8/2010 1:44:08 AM

^^ That's part I don't know about. It didn't look McElroy was going to be throwing them back in it the way that defense played tonight. They had that guy's # He would would have been in big trouble if Bama got down in that game.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:46 AM. Reason : ^]

1/8/2010 1:45:55 AM

it couldve easily gone different...hell Texas couldve won by 21...if McCoy had stayed in, the Texas D might've played with more confidence, having faith in their offense, even if they just were getting field goals...it couldve gone differently...but like i said, no telling, who knows

the unfortunate thing is we weren't able to see the whole game with McCoy and both teams healthy, so all we can do is speculate



[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:48 AM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 1:47:07 AM

I suspected Alabama would win too, but texas' D played better than I expected except in that 2nd quarter, where they forgot how to tackle.

You say Alabama went conservative when they got ahead, but how did they get ahead in the first place? Running the ball, that's where the big plays came. When they tried to pass it they got manhandled all game.

Texas just stepped it up in the second half.

I think McCoy would have tipped the scales in their favor.

1/8/2010 1:48:12 AM

^^ and you're right

that's shittiest part about it

I feel somewhat robbed as a sports fan

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:49 AM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 1:49:06 AM

well I didn't expect Bama to whoop them...its not like Texas is a Big-10 team

1/8/2010 1:49:44 AM

Quote :

"You say Alabama went conservative when they got ahead, but how did they get ahead in the first place? Running the ball, that's where the big plays came. When they tried to pass it they got manhandled all game."

as I said, I said mainly on defense...




[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:53 AM. Reason : ha, not editing that, I sound like Foghorn Leghorn]

1/8/2010 1:51:57 AM

I'll give credit to Brown, early on at least...those short kicks did a good job of fooling the return team...but with McCoy out and Alabama's defense, that momentum only lasted so long

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:53 AM. Reason : ^haha]

1/8/2010 1:53:17 AM

Quote :

"gg Colt for not crying like Tim Tebow though."

Um... I'm pretty sure he cried. Notice how the cameras never did a closeup before he went off to get x-rays. They just showed a wide angle shot where he had the towel wrapped around his head. Then he disappeared for an hour and a half. I figured he was sobbing it up and they didn't want to bring him back out on the field until the puffy red eyes went back to normal.

So basically the difference was that TV crew didn't catch the breakdown in a camera.

It did appear to be a decent TV crew. They purposely avoided giving that dude that ran onto the field any TV time. Denied the attention getter his 'moment of fame'. They also didn't feel the need to show three different crowd shots between every snap.

Another thing I've noticed quite a bit in several of the BCS games. If an offensive lineman commits a false start penalty a defensive lineman stands up, points a finger at the player that committed the penalty, while walking across the neutral zone. Why do they do this? I'm just waiting for the day where the ref doesn't spot the false start but does spot the offsides and gives the offense a free play.

And congrats to Alabama. 2009-2010 National Co-champions.


[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 8:04 AM. Reason : -]

1/8/2010 7:38:09 AM

co-champion? who else do alabama need to beat this year for you to think they are the only winner? they beat 6 ranked teams this year...4 of which were in the top 10, the last two being ranked #1 and #2....

1/8/2010 8:05:24 AM

Boise State

1/8/2010 8:18:31 AM

^

1/8/2010 8:22:26 AM

Hey guys, lets play non-bcs programs, claim that we are just as good as the teams that played national powers and teams ranked in the Top 10 all year so we can go to a bcs bowl. That way we can be co-champs!!



Please, Boise State is not deserving of the national title because they didn't make it to the national title game. They didn't make it to the national title game because they played a cupcake schedule. Could they have won the title if they got the chance to play Texas or Alabama? Maybe. But they didn't GET there. You have to do what it takes to GET to the national title game and they didn't do it.

1/8/2010 9:46:22 AM

What could they have done to make it, since winning all their games obviously wasn't enough? Hope that other teams lose some of their games? But then it really isn't them doing anything, it's someone else not doing something.

Crappy systems lead to crappy results. Don't like the possibility of end of season co-champions? Come up with a better post season model.

When there are 5 undefeated teams at the end of the regular season I don't think you can definitely assign the term "champion" to the winner between the two teams that are lucky enough to get in.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 10:32 AM. Reason : -]

1/8/2010 10:03:41 AM

^^Its bullshit because Boise State can't do anything about it. They try to schedule tougher opponents but the tougher opponents don't want someone as strong as a Boise State on the out of conference schedule, and Boise State can't depend on their own conference schedule so they are screwed. The system sucks. What would you suggest Boise State do to GET there?

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-boise110709&prov=yhoo&type=lgns

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 10:11 AM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 10:08:55 AM

I hate the BCS system, but let's be honest. Alabama would have raped Boise State.

1/8/2010 10:14:42 AM

Quote :

"Its bullshit because Boise State can't do anything about it. They try to schedule tougher opponents but the tougher opponents don't want someone as strong as a Boise State on the out of conference schedule, and Boise State can't depend on their own conference schedule so they are screwed. The system sucks"

DING DING DING!

1/8/2010 10:15:35 AM

I never said it wasn't a busted system or that it wasn't bullshit. I happen to agree that the bcs is unfair, especially in cases like this where BSU has no chance to get in because all they can do is play the games on their schedule...and in their case, that isn't good enough. But that's not the argument.

The fact still remains that BSU is not a "co-champ". That's just stupid. This is the system that's in place, regardless of how broken it is, and there is only one champion per year.

1/8/2010 10:16:01 AM

Boise State should join the Pac10.

1/8/2010 10:25:50 AM

Another piece of bullshit by the BCS

"Lets let the mid majors play each other so nobody can find out how good they really are and they don't expose how broken our system is"

1/8/2010 10:41:24 AM

^^^It's not stupid. Remember 2003? Co-champs. LSU won the BCS championship game, USC was ranked #1 by the AP. There is no NCAA national championship game, so, if the AP wanted, they could vote Boise St. #1 and you'd have co-champs. Most likely they won't, since 'Bama was also undefeated.

When you've got multiple undefeated teams, how can one declare they are the national champs without having a play-off?

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 10:43 AM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 10:43:15 AM

^^^ They should take in Boise State and one other school (maybe fresno st?), become the Pac-12, and have a championship game.

Then let the Big 10 take in Notre Dame and have a championship game, and require a championship game for an automatic bid.

1/8/2010 10:46:08 AM

^then have a play-off system of all the conference champs.

1/8/2010 10:47:55 AM

Another option would be to move Boise State to the Mountain West. That would give Boise State a strong conference schedule, and give the MWC enough firepower to get an automatic bid.

1/8/2010 10:49:34 AM

Quote :

"I hate the BCS system, but let's be honest. Alabama would have raped Boise StateUTAH."

1/8/2010 11:33:05 AM

Quote :

"how can one declare they are the national champs without having a play-off? "

Well for all media and fan aspects the BCS system does a good job at trying to shove the idea of "national champs" onto whatever team wins their automated game selection system.

1/8/2010 12:29:27 PM

As much as I hate the BCS at least it's better than what it once was.

1/8/2010 12:35:14 PM

^^you took that out of context. Yes, they won a national championship game. But, the important part about that comment is when there are multiple teams that finished undefeated.

Remember that the BCS has also given us a #1 vs. a #4 championship game and #4 was slaughtered.

My biggest problem with the BCS is that polls, which are opinion based, are part of the calculation. The big issue with that is you start the season with a ranking that counts before you've played a down. That shouldn't happen and it gives an unfair advantage to those that start off ranked---especially when some teams (conferences) lose and voters only drop them one or two spots, but another team(conference) would get dropped more. If the first set of polls and rankings weren't out until say 3-4 weeks into the season, I would have even less of a problem with the BCS, because by that time, you've more clearly earned the ranking you've received. That's not to say some may still get snubbed, but at least there is merit to that ranking. A pre-season ranking is fine for fans and for sports discussion, but you should not start with a ranking when that ranking is supposed to reflect your performance and effects your final position, or in this case, bowl appearances.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:55 PM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 1:47:31 PM

Quote :

"And the "reason" Texas lost today is McCoy getting hurt. "

Come on don't play that shit. You give him the credit for 2 FGs when they got the ball at the Bama 40 or inside both times? Get real, they were already in FG range.

Alabama wins this game whether he plays or not. And as many others have pointed out Alabama was not motivated last year. This is all coming from a Tennessee fan and Alabama/Saban hater. Be realistic.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 1:49 PM. Reason : I can't stand Bama or Saban]

1/8/2010 1:48:50 PM

Texas had the ball down 3 with 3:20 on the clock in the 4th. They could have tied or won the game outright WITH A TRUE FRESHMEN. If a that guy, having never played before can come in and get his team in that position, then there is no way you could say anything definite about Alabama winning this game if Colt plays.

1/8/2010 3:10:45 PM

and its already been stated several times that bama obviously was coasting the 2nd half on O and D thinking the lead they had was good enough. when the game got close they stepped it up again. colt wouldnt have had that luxury of the D playing soft in the 3rd and 4th quarter.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 3:52 PM. Reason : f]

1/8/2010 3:51:44 PM

Quote :

"Come on don't play that shit. You give him the credit for 2 FGs when they got the ball at the Bama 40 or inside both times? Get real, they were already in FG range."

No, I didn't give him that credit, because he went out on the first drive, only 5 plays into the game.

I think he would have scored a TD on at least one of those, given how they were moving the ball before he went out.

1/8/2010 3:53:48 PM

^they had 1 good end around run play that bama didnt defend well when colt was in, otherwise you cant say he did anything great. a 5 yard pass play? that sure tells me he wouldve had an awesome game. there is no way to tell what wouldve happened had he stayed in there.

what texas shouldve done was run a few more misdirection plays and a few trick plays. throughout the whole year bama have been bad at defending those types of plays. anything else, though, bama has shut down quite well.

1/8/2010 3:58:06 PM

We have also already discussed that you can't say what Bama would or would not been doing in the 2nd half because the game would have taken a different course altogether. They may have never even gotten the lead.

Would you agree that McCoy is at least as good as his back up?

If so, then no matter how the game played out, McCoy would have had them in a similar (and more than likely better) position at the end of that game.

[Edited on January 8, 2010 at 4:03 PM. Reason : .]

1/8/2010 3:58:54 PM

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"ssjamind All American 28618 Posts user info edit post Texas will not be able to contain the run. Bama by 9 1/7/2010 5:31:17 PM "

1/8/2010 4:08:56 PM

Quote :

"My biggest problem with the BCS is that polls, which are opinion based, are part of the calculation. The big issue with that is you start the season with a ranking that counts before you've played a down. That shouldn't happen and it gives an unfair advantage to those that start off ranked---especially when some teams (conferences) lose and voters only drop them one or two spots, but another team(conference) would get dropped more. If the first set of polls and rankings weren't out until say 3-4 weeks into the season, I would have even less of a problem with the BCS, because by that time, you've more clearly earned the ranking you've received. That's not to say some may still get snubbed, but at least there is merit to that ranking. A pre-season ranking is fine for fans and for sports discussion, but you should not start with a ranking when that ranking is supposed to reflect your performance and effects your final position, or in this case, bowl appearances. "

I hate the BCS system.

1/8/2010 7:14:16 PM

how can you people crown bama by saying IF they played boise that they would crush them? If '83 Houston and '83 State had just been an "in theory" game then houston would've crushed state. This years football season is like getting to the championship game in '83 and then just stopping and calling Houston the champs

1/8/2010 7:48:50 PM

Wow, I kinda thought Colt was being a little bitch and just taking the easy way out, but not after seeing his post game interview.

It looked like someone had just murdered his parents right in front of him.

Poor guy.

1/8/2010 9:22:26 PM

^ yeah me too. He earned respect back during that post game interview. It meant a lot too him, tough way to end the season. I think Texas would have definitely one this with that kid on the field. Texas dominated both lines of scrimmage most of the game and their defense was on the field for a long time.

1/8/2010 9:43:13 PM

^you must have missed the part where richardson and ingram averaged over 5 yards per carry then...these are both up the middle types of backs...

1/8/2010 9:48:44 PM

Yeah but Colt would have passed for over 300 yards. Did you see how much time that freshman had to the throw the ball? Colt would have lit Alabama up with that much time.

Also, if you noticed most of Alabama's points came off of turnovers. Turnovers that are mostly due to a freshman QB.

Even with that all said, Texas had a chance to tie/win the game at the end with a freshman QB for 80% of the game. Alabama is lucky they got all the breaks else they would have been routed.

Mackelroy sp? was atrocious. He had about 1.3 sec to toss the ball before he got steam rolled on most pass plays.

1/8/2010 10:24:59 PM

Quote :

"This years football season is like getting to the championship game in '83 and then just stopping and calling Houston the champs"

Its actually much much worse than that. Houston performed well all season while nc state lost a bunch of games and stumbled into the tournament. If it was called without the last game being played then at least you could say houston deserved it

Well here boise won every single game and didn't get to play

huge difference.

1/8/2010 10:53:34 PM