I don't know if it's the reason we won, but it helped. i mean, you can throw all types of hypotheticals out there... if lorenzo and the other 2/3 never got sick, if lorenzo didn't turn his ankle, if wood didn't turn his ankle, if CJL had been playing all season, if DeT had been playing all year, etc.

11/21/2011 11:23:00 PM

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"so that tech is the reason we won right?"

In a nutshell, probably. But remember Brown's fourth foul preceded that. He was coming out of the game -- probably for a while -- and he might have fouled out quickly upon return.



[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 11:38 PM. Reason : But yeah ... without him, their offense went to complete dogshit.]

11/21/2011 11:24:17 PM

It is most definitely the reason we won and you are in denial if you think otherwise. They were dogging us by 20 points. We didn't really change anything to come back. We ran the offense just as well, and we had the same questionable defense. Texas just had no one to run the show. They were throwing passes right to us.


It's good that we won, but there should be no illusions about why we won.

11/21/2011 11:30:36 PM

^No better than when Lowe was here, right? This guy.

11/21/2011 11:37:01 PM

our shooting dramatically improved...even with Brown fouled out, we needed buckets badly, and our guys stepped up.

i'm impressed that the players even got it into their heads that they could win. it's so contrary to my expectations of Lowe's teams...lack of hustle, discipline, and an over-abundance of head hanging.

11/21/2011 11:48:03 PM

anybody else notice how many times whit called wood "woods"?

11/21/2011 11:49:23 PM

[Edited on November 21, 2011 at 11:50 PM. Reason : derp]

11/21/2011 11:50:19 PM

that photographer is credible

11/21/2011 11:51:25 PM

I just wish our guys would play defense with as much energy as they did those last 8 minutes at all times. They were playing some tight defense.

11/21/2011 11:54:10 PM

Rick kind of looks like Howard the Duck there.

11/22/2011 12:20:50 AM

Haha

11/22/2011 12:32:52 AM

skokiaan: relentlessly negative since 2005

you almost feel sorry for people who have to deal with him IRL

11/22/2011 1:14:57 AM

In skookian's defense we were playing HORRIBLE defense the first ~30 minutes of the game.

Beyond that, anytime we got a stop we'd get called for a foul.

The moment J'olando Laquesha Ameeka fouled out we started hounding their passing lanes and created a ton of turnovers and forced some bad shots.

Fucking Gottfried has got this team living up to its potential. We were going to be a better team this year regardless, but I never thought our offense would be this efficient. If our defense ever reaches its potential (see: last 8 minutes) then this team isn't just top 60-70 in the country it's in the top 30-40 neighborhood.

Incredible amount of improvement out of each player on this team.

11/22/2011 1:50:11 AM

Watching the game....not really a fan of Tyler Harris

11/22/2011 7:06:27 AM

^I guess he is playing the role of Tayshaun (I don't feel like looking up how to spell it) Prince? Can't really shoot well, pass real well, or dribble real well but has the ability wreak havoc on the perimeter. Obviously it's early but I am surprised to see him getting so much PT.

11/22/2011 7:20:31 AM

Also, he's a freshman. Give him a little time.

Honestly, as long as the team is winning him getting minutes can only be positive in the long run, right?

/Dude's got a hell of a scowl http://www.gopack.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/harris_tyler00.html

11/22/2011 7:54:16 AM

Some of you people would find fault with your own mother. Harris is going to be a valuable contributor this year and, unlike our guards thus far, he is a real threat to hit the open 3. He's had some bone-headed freshman plays (namely that lowered shoulder charge on the 3-on-2 break last night) but he's only 5 games into his collegiate career.

11/22/2011 7:57:19 AM

^^^^i don't know what you expect, he's a freshman. he's gonna have his ups and downs.

I don't expect him to be a star and he obviously has some things he needs to work on, but I like what he can give us. You can tell he's thinking a little too much right now, and that's gonna affect how he plays, but he can still give us some good minutes and cause some match-up problems when he's out there. His shot will look better once he gets more comfortable in understanding the offense. All we really need him to do right now is to get good pressure on defense and be smart with the ball.


[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 8:08 AM. Reason : we're all sayin the same thing]

11/22/2011 8:06:25 AM

I couldn't care less about Tyler Harris struggggglinggggggg. What we know is we can improve.

11/22/2011 8:10:23 AM

epic broadway joe reference


harris will come along. not worried.

11/22/2011 8:31:52 AM

Well, he was a 3*. Did people expect him to come in and immediately be a 5* tobias?!?

11/22/2011 9:17:08 AM

we lost what we should have won, we won what we should have lost.

GO PACK!

11/22/2011 9:21:13 AM

I like Harris. He'll be fine.

11/22/2011 9:31:26 AM

Harris also looks like he really wants/likes to play defense. He got burned on a layup by J'Coven (sp?) Brown in the 2nd half but he was all over him and had held him down for a while.

11/22/2011 9:41:05 AM

Wow all I said is I'm not a fan. I'm sure he'll improved, I just don't think he deserves this much playing time right now.

Talage
What makes you think "he's a real threat to hit the open three?"

He's 25% from 3.

11/22/2011 10:39:45 AM

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"so that tech is the reason we won right?"

I missed this part of the game. What happened with the technical foul?

11/22/2011 10:42:34 AM

he mouthed-off at the official as he was coming off the court. I heard Gottfried was egging him on that it was a bad call.

11/22/2011 10:44:48 AM

Texas got "NC State Shit"ed

11/22/2011 10:49:29 AM

^^^ J'Covan Brown picked up his 4th foul with about 8:30 minutes to go and then began chirping at the ref and got a technical. Since technical fouls now count as personal fouls, it was his 5th and so he was done. Dude was averaging like 28 pts/game coming in so Texas losing him ruined their offensive flow.




[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:04 AM. Reason : fhg]

11/22/2011 11:02:08 AM

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"What makes you think "he's a real threat to hit the open three?""

He was known as an above average shooter coming out of high-school and he has good form. (Of course, that may never translate. or it may.)

11/22/2011 11:03:16 AM

...

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:10 AM. Reason : bah]

11/22/2011 11:03:54 AM

it's been a long damn 20 years of jokes for coaches and clowns pretending to the real deal here.


i can't say i've seen a comeback that good here ever.. even since i started watching ncstate play in the 80's

11/22/2011 11:08:51 AM

^are you going to explain how you watched Jimmy V-coached games, but you're only 20 years old?

11/22/2011 11:12:56 AM

did Wake have anyone foul out early in that game back in whatever year that State came back from 18 or so down (and students rushed the floor)?

11/22/2011 11:13:04 AM

Now I am convinced that UT has turrible fans. I finally managed to find a bar that showed the game, and it was packed full of students gearing up for MNF. GUESS WHO WAS WATCHING THE GAME? Me. Nobody else gave a damn at all. Then, to top it all off it wasn't even in the student newspaper this morning.

I can't believe that these guys have a good ball program here and it is no recognized.

/rant

11/22/2011 11:19:47 AM

Texas is a football state, just like Alabama, Louisiana and every other state in the southeast. My dad tells me all the time how high school football games are on primetime tv down in Mobile, AL like they are bigtime college/NFL games

11/22/2011 11:22:16 AM

I was just about to post the same thing. I have been going to texas forums trying to find comments on the game. Most dont even mention the game. Too focused on football. In fact, I havent found a thread on the loss. They have to be the most underappreciated basketball team in the entire NCAA. I dont know why a heavily ranked recruit would want to play for a team that has such piss poor support. And think how big their school is. 38,000 undergrads, and I can't find a decent forum. There are at least 3 good ones for NC State with a little more than half their size.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:23 AM. Reason : .]

11/22/2011 11:23:01 AM

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"I heard Gottfried was egging him on that it was a bad call."

I really hope this is true.

11/22/2011 11:27:56 AM

checking in from texas, not a single mention of the game on any of the three sports talk radio stations for the hour i flipped around this morning

all about the ut/ta&m game and if leinart can not fuck up the season

11/22/2011 11:28:27 AM

theres a 6page thread on http://texas.247sports.com/Board/Texas-Longhorns-Message-Board-Forum-21

but still 6 pages is pretty sad. their school newspaper doesnt even have a story online lol http://www.dailytexanonline.com/section/sports

11/22/2011 11:30:36 AM

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"i can't say i've seen a comeback that good here ever.. even since i started watching ncstate play in the 80's"

The WF game back in the herb era was very similar to this.

11/22/2011 11:31:23 AM

^ yep, was it 17 at half? Loudest I've ever heard the RBC Center

11/22/2011 11:37:44 AM

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"The WF game back in the herb era was very similar to this"

Nah, I was there. We were down by way more at the half and it was as if every single shot Wake took in last few mins of the game was botched on purpose. State won this game, Wake lost the other.



[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 11:45 AM. Reason : asdf]

11/22/2011 11:44:28 AM

lol at andy katz's voice

11/22/2011 12:43:42 PM

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" ^ yep, was it 17 at half? Loudest I've ever heard the RBC Center"

16 at the half. The scored to open the 2nd half to make it 18


I was at the game and remembering telling my buddy at half time "we are going to win this game"


He looked at me like I was crazy

11/22/2011 12:47:53 PM

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"It is most definitely the reason we won and you are in denial if you think otherwise. They were dogging us by 20 points. We didn't really change anything to come back. We ran the offense just as well, and we had the same questionable defense. Texas just had no one to run the show. They were throwing passes right to us."

I'm sorry, but I watched the game in replay today. State was already on a run, and had brought the game back from 18 back to 13 with 2 freethrows to possibly cut it to 11. Texas was starting to fall apart with the fouls. Even if Brown doesnt pick up the technical, he is on the bench with 4 with 8+ minutes remaining. State would have probably taken the lead, or at least tied before he was put back in.

Did it help us? Sure! Would the outcome have been different without him? Possibly, but it sure as hell isnt a foregone conclusion like you pretend it is.

[Edited on November 22, 2011 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .]

11/22/2011 12:54:02 PM

MAAARRCCUSSSS

MELLLLLLLLLVINN

11/22/2011 1:08:45 PM

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"we lost what we should have won, we won what we should have lost. "

huh?

11/22/2011 1:51:35 PM

The beginning is the end, the end is the beginning.

11/22/2011 1:52:34 PM

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"^ yep, was it 17 at half? Loudest I've ever heard the RBC Center"

I was just talking about that game with a co-worker earlier. Agree that it's the loudest I've ever heard the RBC center.

11/22/2011 1:59:01 PM