Clinton has also said that she could be flexible on abortion, and might consider bans so long as certain exemptions were included (health of mother, rape, etc)

3/8/2016 8:11:37 AM

Clinton is moving towards the center because she considered the election in the bag. Note her stances on fracking and abortion.

3/8/2016 8:21:05 AM

It just seems like the people that heavily support abortion bans and fracking aren't going to cast a vote for her regardless of her positions, Because Benghazi (or insert your favored fever dream here).

Perhaps I just don't understand the geriatric "swing" voters she is trying to attract.

3/8/2016 8:30:30 AM

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"Clinton is moving towards the center because she considered the election in the bag. Note her stances on fracking and abortion."

She's moving to the center to target those independents who don't want to vote for Trump.

3/8/2016 8:51:19 AM

she's naturally in the center, moving left was a temporary action to adopt and steal Sanders' platforms only as long as she needed to

3/8/2016 11:08:24 AM

Yeah she's held that position on abortion for a long time. It's just nice to hear her say it again after PP's endorsement.

3/8/2016 11:16:58 AM

^^ this. People don't actually think she's progressive do they? This country has moved so far right that THIS is what people think is leftist. You'd think boomers would remember real leftists in the 60s and 70s but maybe they were just too high.

3/8/2016 11:30:21 AM

baby boomers made too much money

3/8/2016 11:46:46 AM

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"Clinton is moving towards the center because she considered the election in the bag."

She found every excuse she could to talk about church in the last debate. This is probably why as well. She sounded so much like a republican who happens to like black people.

3/8/2016 11:56:52 AM

Not surprisingly at all, many reports of problems coming in from Michigan

3/8/2016 6:57:20 PM

Sanders is suing Ohio over voter suppression by the Ohio sec of state.

https://berniesanders.com/sanders-sues-in-ohio-to-protect-young-and-minority-voters/

3/8/2016 7:17:37 PM

^LOL! Yep, there are no white people under 18 in Ohio I bet.

3/8/2016 7:26:29 PM

They're not allowing people who will be 18 by the general election to vote in the primaries, even though it is currently the law.

Edit: actually it isn't the law. It's confusing the way they have set it up.

"Husted said Tuesday that there has been no change -- 17-year-olds who turn 18 by Election Day in November have always been allowed to vote in direct nominations (such as Ohio's Senate primary) **but barred from voting for delegates in the presidential primary.**

"I welcome this lawsuit and I am very happy to be sued on this issue because the law is crystal clear," Husted said in a statement. "

What a dicklord.

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 7:33 PM. Reason : .]

3/8/2016 7:28:40 PM

Big4Country is amazingly dumb

3/8/2016 8:21:37 PM

^ the problem is that he's America. He probably still has an above-average IQ.

3/8/2016 8:23:45 PM

i'm sure he knows words, he has the best words

3/8/2016 8:27:10 PM

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/mi/Dem

12% reporting in Michigan, Sanders up 4.8%

538 sweating harder than Rubio

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 8:28 PM. Reason : 15%, 3.6% now]

3/8/2016 8:27:34 PM

the dye is cast, nothing you can do now, just stop watching and check the results in the AM

3/8/2016 8:30:24 PM

^ Wayne county. All about that..

3/8/2016 8:49:06 PM

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"Seventy-two percent now believe he [Sanders] could win the general election, a 21 percentage point increase from the last time the survey was conducted in December."

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/voters-increasingly-see-sanders-as-electable/?_utm_source=1-2-2#.VtvTEBlc0T0.google_plusone_share

3/8/2016 9:50:12 PM

fuck. the gap in wayne county expanded and now hillary's won if you extrapolate everything.

3/8/2016 10:05:56 PM

He's back up to almost a 3-point lead (after falling to less than 1). The votes in Ann Arbor, Grand Rapids, and Lansing are all favoring Bernie but have low reporting so far. He should be able to keep up in the rest of the state even with losing Detroit.

Also, wasn't she supposed to win the state by 17 points? No matter what the end result is, this is embarrassing for her campaign.

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 10:13 PM. Reason : -]

3/8/2016 10:12:49 PM

Its too late for moral victories. Bernie has to win now and im pessimistic because 22%(her lead) of 50%(unreported) of Wayne county is still 3% of the entire vote.

The other counties are relatively small compared to that. Its going to be SUPER close.

3/8/2016 10:15:52 PM

Yesterday, CNN's political prediction had him at a 2% chance to win. It had gotten as high as 80% before the big Wayne polls came in, dropped down to 40%, and now is back up to 70% 86% 95%

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 10:50 PM. Reason : -]

3/8/2016 10:40:03 PM

corrupt wayne county waiting to see how many votes hillary needs to win before reporting.

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 10:44 PM. Reason : j]

3/8/2016 10:42:54 PM

He's won. Wayne isn't enough to overcome the rest of the counties he's winning.

3/8/2016 10:45:19 PM

you can't just assume its going to go the same way its gone in the first 56% either. What if the 44% precincts that aren't reporting is all inner city detroit. Then hillary could get 80% of those votes and that could be more than 44% of the population. I won't be comfortable until that number changes by a lot.

3/8/2016 10:53:35 PM

TYT were just the first to call it for Bernie

3/8/2016 10:57:46 PM

Up 4 points with 86% reporting. What 44% are you talking about?

3/8/2016 10:58:29 PM

He's talking about Wayne county. It's absurd to think she'll make up 4% at this point. It's over. God damn, what an incredible upset.

3/8/2016 11:02:52 PM

only 64% of wayne country is reporting. 18% of the votes are in wayne county including detroit which is +60% for hillary. That means 7% of the entire state's votes are uncounted AND in Wayne county. ATM, if Hillary has to get 85% of the rest of wayne county to win which is unlikely but wouldn't be surprising if its all inner city detroit.

3/8/2016 11:03:18 PM

18% of the population is in Wayne County, that doesn't mean they're showing up to vote.

3/8/2016 11:05:21 PM

but they haven't called it though so it must be proportional

3/8/2016 11:08:33 PM

At this point any changes in the numbers won't affect the delegate count. They are going to get an even split. "Winning" a primary only means the map gets a different shade of blue, which is incredibly misleading.

3/8/2016 11:21:51 PM

yeah but imagine the narrative if we won iowa, nevada, and massachusets. It would be "over for hillary"

3/8/2016 11:27:49 PM

and AP just called it

538 says:

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"One reminder about the Democratic calendar: Although there are a lot of reasonably good Clinton states on March 15 — according to both polls and demographics — we then have a stretch of states that look quite strong for Sanders. These include Idaho, Utah, Arizona, Alaska, Washington, Hawaii, Wisconsin and Wyoming, all of which vote from March 22 to April 9. So if Clinton underperforms her polls on March 15 in states such as Ohio as she did tonight in Michigan — and pollsters probably ought to be checking their turnout models carefully after tonight — she could have a really long few weeks ahead, even though Sanders’s delegate math remains highly challenging."

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 11:35 PM. Reason : .]

3/8/2016 11:33:56 PM

CNN.com says 100% chance he wins, but they haven't said so on air yet.

-----And there it is.

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 11:41 PM. Reason : -]

The wide-angle shot of the empty Bernie HQ hall is silly. They are spinning low expectations from his own supporters. But no show of the empty room where Hillary was supposed to give her victory speech but canceled it to get to Florida.

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 11:44 PM. Reason : -]

3/8/2016 11:35:54 PM

Didn't see that coming. Last polls had Hillary up by > 20%.

[Edited on March 8, 2016 at 11:44 PM. Reason : Guess that shows ya what polls are worth ]

3/8/2016 11:43:36 PM

polls don't account for republicans who want a socialist nominee

3/8/2016 11:45:08 PM

So democrats have no winner take all states?

3/8/2016 11:53:09 PM

incorrect

3/8/2016 11:58:25 PM

you are the most notorious poster for saying something is wrong with no explanation of reasoning. that post was not helpful at all.

3/9/2016 12:12:08 AM

That was an optimistic response on my part, but yeah that's how it works

[Edited on March 9, 2016 at 12:33 AM. Reason : http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/donald-trump-would-be-easy-to-stop-under-democratic-rules/]

[Edited on March 9, 2016 at 12:33 AM. Reason : V yah just for GOP]

3/9/2016 12:31:08 AM

i thought there were no winner take all states?

3/9/2016 12:32:16 AM

As I understand it there are several states where the districts/precincts have winner-take-all policies and some which split delegates. That's why the delegate math takes a long time to work out even when the votes are all in.

3/9/2016 1:47:49 AM

If there is anything to take away from Michigan it's that the pollsters have some major demographic problems that should put their future projections into question

3/9/2016 7:40:13 AM

This is really the first cycle real polling aggregators (in other words not hucksters like that asshole who ran unskewed polls) can't be trusted. Too much other stuff going on.

3/9/2016 10:36:21 AM

Quote :

"Nate Silver went back and found that only one primary, the 1984 Democratic primary in New Hampshire, was even on the same scale as this upset. In that contest, the polling average had Walter Mondale beating Gary Hart by 17 percentage points, but it was Hart who won, with slightly more than 9 percentage points over Mondale. ... The question I am asking myself now is whether this means the polls are off in other Midwestern states that are holding open primaries. I’m talking specifically about Illinois and Ohio, both of which vote next Tuesday. The FiveThirtyEight polling average in Illinois gives Clinton a 37 percentage point lead, while the average in Ohio gives her a 20 percentage point lead. If Michigan was just a fluke (which is possible), then tonight will be forgotten soon enough. If, however, pollsters are missing something more fundamental about the electorate, then the Ohio and Illinois primaries could be a lot closer than expected."

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-the-stunning-bernie-sanders-win-in-michigan-means/?ex_cid=story-facebook

[Edited on March 9, 2016 at 11:39 AM. Reason : ]

3/9/2016 11:38:55 AM

I'm calling an NC win by 5-10 pts.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/nc/north_carolina_democratic_presidential_primary-5175.html?new=1

3/9/2016 11:45:15 AM

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3/9/2016 12:16:08 PM