NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
My favorite thing in this cycle, by far, is the public confirmation that the entire evangelical bloc is a compete and utter fraud who isn't even worthy of my pity. 10/1/2016 12:26:32 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Vegas knows the polls are trash. When trump peaked about a week ago, the best odds i could get was 2:1. 538 said there was only a 55% chance she would win based on polls at the time so it should have been closer to straight up. I wanted to bet the house on Hillary but the odds didn't match the polls. This supports my idea that the polls are trash and they know it. They acted like Romney was winning last time around and he got wiped out. 10/1/2016 12:37:08 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Romney was winning once. The week after the first debate.
538 never had him as the favorite from what I remember.
[Edited on October 1, 2016 at 2:50 PM. Reason : Maybe you were following the unskewed guy? President Romney is winning in 2016 from him] 10/1/2016 2:49:41 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
the 538 model functions similarly to Lunardi's bracketology models. They both fluctuate quite a bit during the data collection, but are then pretty solid once the data is in and it's time to vote. 10/1/2016 3:05:16 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
and why would anybody even think about bringing up her husband's affair? It just makes no sense. Hillary hasn't been fought fucking around, and Donald has. I just don't see what he would have to gain from that. Is there a pro Trump person around that can explain this to me? 10/1/2016 3:54:21 PM |
kdogg(c) All American 3494 Posts user info edit post |
I remember the sympathy she received while it was all going down in the 90's.
The ONLY reason I could see the trying to do it would be to point to her hypocrisy about "trusting every alleged sexual assault" that she pushed a few months back.
:shrug: 10/1/2016 6:51:09 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
^yeah but then your attacking something very personal instead of her public policy. Trump has got loads of personal shit with women that she could bring up and to date hasn't. 10/2/2016 5:37:06 AM |
rjrumfel All American 23027 Posts user info edit post |
^^^What the right is going to drag out is how she attempted character assassination of the women who accused Bill of misconduct. True or not, that is their angle.
[Edited on October 2, 2016 at 9:19 AM. Reason : ^] 10/2/2016 9:19:02 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
There's no way trying to bring up bills affairs works. Trumps best case scenario is to get Hillary to start arguing about it so she looks hysterical, but I don't see this happening, she's been dealing with this since at least the 80s. 10/2/2016 3:19:10 PM |
eyewall41 All American 2262 Posts user info edit post |
Hillary knows to just bait the Donald and he will take it and become unhinged. It worked perfectly in the debate and the days following. His narcissism is the weakness she will continue to exploit. 10/2/2016 3:32:07 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
I hope we get an insider post-mortem after the election that tells us which of the Farenholtd/Eichanwald/NYT Trump stories were actually tipped from inside the Clinton campaign. I refuse to believe the media spontaneously decided to start doing their job this late in the game. 10/2/2016 4:49:48 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Theres a lot of overlap between the media and the clinton campaign so I'm not exactly sure what you're proposing. 10/2/2016 5:15:15 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Fahrentold has been on tha foundation since early in the primaries. The other one is a hack. 10/2/2016 5:21:04 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
^^ so thirsty 10/2/2016 6:17:11 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
Anybody saw this?
http://nation.foxnews.com/2016/10/02/wednesday-hillary-clinton-done-reports-julian-assange-s-announcement-tuesday-will-finish
10/3/2016 1:17:47 AM |
synapse play so hard 60938 Posts user info edit post |
Yes, and you couldn't have picked a more outdated, and less informative link than that
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 1:23 AM. Reason : Here. Perhaps you can learn something: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/02/report-wikileaks-cancels-highly-anticipated-tuesday-announcement-due-to-security-concerns.html]] 10/3/2016 1:22:27 AM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
He's got nothing, I predict. 10/3/2016 2:01:13 AM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
I am sure that he has something, I just doubt that it is anything new. 10/3/2016 6:05:16 AM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
Synapse always with the condescending jerk like attitude. Outdated? Yeah I was 1 hour out of date, and I am supposed to magically know there is an update, right? You don't always have to be like that.
Just wasted my finger strength.... 10/3/2016 7:35:44 AM |
synapse play so hard 60938 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | " Due to security concerns at the Ecuadorian Embassy, Julian Assange's balcony announcement on Tues has been cancelled, per @wikileaks 12:50 PM - 30 Sep 2016" |
1 hour, eh?
What do u think they have Opie?]10/3/2016 8:08:19 AM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
Asange has been saying he's had stuff since Day 1, he doesn't. 10/3/2016 8:57:18 AM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
yeah, I think that he is just trying' to stay relevant. 10/3/2016 9:05:10 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
I'm sure he has something but considering his obviously personal grudge against Clinton why should we believe anything he releases is true? And if the DNC leaks, which multiple federal agencies have said we're due to Russian hackers why should we believe the documents aren't altered?
He has lost all trust as far as I'm concerned. 10/3/2016 10:41:34 AM |
eyewall41 All American 2262 Posts user info edit post |
The balcony announcement was cancelled but it will still be done via video. 10/3/2016 11:09:47 AM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
10/3/2016 12:17:28 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
maybe its that bill had a kid with a black prostitute in the 80s and his life didnt matter
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3819671/Man-claiming-Bill-Clinton-s-illegitimate-son-prostitute-continues-campaign-former-president-recognize-him.html
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 12:42 PM. Reason : f] 10/3/2016 12:37:14 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
But I thought Bill was impotent and Webb Hubbell was Chelsea's real father. Which is it? 10/3/2016 12:43:39 PM |
beatsunc All American 10748 Posts user info edit post |
^never heard of the impotent claim, i have heard sterile but maybe thats just used to explain why hillary had the kid webb. hell if i know 10/3/2016 12:50:43 PM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
If you had evidence of Clinton's "pay to play" corruption, when would a leak cause the most damage?
We saw the evidence of the DNC corruption come out right before Bernie was out.
The real question is, what would it take to get Clinton charged? The FBI is apparently bought off. DOJ obviously is. This kinda corruption is scary. Not to you resident hacks, naturally. #ImWithHer
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 12:54 PM. Reason : .] 10/3/2016 12:54:15 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Its not that surprising the last few presidents have done it. None of this crap is unique to Hillary and I think thats why democrats keep screaming sexism. People who supported bush and especially obama are turned off by hillary doing the same sort of things.
With me, I'm done with all of them and both parties so its not sexism but I certainly understand why that is such a popular argument. "Men have gotten away with corrupt leadership forever and suddenly its an issue when a women is about to do it" 10/3/2016 12:59:05 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "But I thought Bill was impotent and Webb Hubbell was Chelsea's real father. Which is it?" |
I thought Hillary was a lesbian. When did people stop talking about her being a dyke? 2008?10/3/2016 1:31:13 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Somebody went to Drudge Report today.
(it is funny that Drudge posted the same story in 1999 and called it fake then -- wonder what changed?)
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 1:39 PM. Reason : X] 10/3/2016 1:37:34 PM |
GoldieO All American 1801 Posts user info edit post |
The Webb Hubbell thing I had never even heard before and seems completely without merit just by taking one look at Chelsea. Seems like the whole danney williams thing could be resolved with a paternity suit - not sure if one has ever been filed before, but if not I have no interest in learning why bc this revelation would have no impact on the election. 10/3/2016 1:40:12 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
I mean there was DNA tests done. The damn article link on Drudge is literally still up from 1999.
Guess they are just desperate at this point? Daily Mail is obviously very right wing as well.
http://www.drudgereportarchives.com/dsp/specialReports_pc_carden_detail.htm?reportID=%7B85D2988C-C91E-46C5-A384-714C85BD92E4%7D 10/3/2016 1:49:07 PM |
GoldieO All American 1801 Posts user info edit post |
That was a DNA analysis from what I understand, not true DNA test using a sample from Clinton. 10/3/2016 1:55:21 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
not sure what the funnier reaction is. JCE getting triggered yet again? or Earl telling us for the millionth time that he's done with both parties? in fact, i think the latter might have overtaken theDuke's "i'm a libertarian" for the most repeated statement in soap box history. mazel tov.
also, in latest polls, Johnson + Stein in combined single digits.
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 3:15 PM. Reason : .] 10/3/2016 3:14:52 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Its sad that I have to use that as a disclaimer because Americans have their heads so far in the sand. Without the disclaimer, anytime I criticise Hillary, I'm immediately labelled a trump supporter and bombarded with reasons why trump is going to kill us all.
Or on the other side, I could criticise Trump and get bombarded about how the war in syria has failed and Obamacare isn't the answer.
I'm above all of that. Those are so obvious any 3rd grader should understand that Trump should not be the president or that the wars have to stop. Its insulting that the nation is having such backwards conversation. Its probably going to take us 20 years to even start to discuss real problems (once they hit us in the fucking face) and that depresses me very much.
Quote : | "also, in latest polls, Johnson + Stein in combined single digits. " |
just another form of voter supression
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 3:52 PM. Reason : i guarantee you the polls are way off. ]10/3/2016 3:49:42 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Personally I think any criticism of Clinton (or Obama) from you is fine.
But you go out of your way to defend Trump while throwing in a casual hedge that you don't like him.
It almost seems that since Bernie made you cry you have a massive agenda is all. 10/3/2016 3:51:46 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "i guarantee you the polls are way off. " |
lol you should unskew them. any chance we can get you to pull a karl rove on election night?10/3/2016 3:58:59 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "But you go out of your way to defend Trump while throwing in a casual hedge that you don't like him.
It almost seems that since Bernie made you cry you have a massive agenda is all." |
because its annoying how people don't realize why trump has been successful. There is no reason to vote for trump so its really bad when the media tries to spin stuff and twist his words to hurt him. That only makes him stronger. I defended him against some of the BS because its not necessary but also because the media is full of shit. So yes, I do have an agenda against the media that has created/perpetuated most of our problems including trump.
Instead of just trying to convince people that racism bigotry, sexism, and being an overall con are wrong, you should also take a step back and ask yourself the following questions
"Why would so many people support trump?" "What could push someone so far that they would see trump as the answer?" "Why have trump supporters completely disregarded all negative information about trump ?" "Why does the media have zero credibility amongst trump supporters?"
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 4:26 PM. Reason : the media always wanted exactly what we have now]10/3/2016 4:25:52 PM |
goalielax All American 11252 Posts user info edit post |
"Why would so many people support trump?" Racism and/or stupidity "What could push someone so far that they would see trump as the answer?" Racism and/or stupidity "Why have trump supporters completely disregarded all negative information about trump ?" Racism and/or stupidity "Why does the media have zero credibility amongst trump supporters?" Racism and/or stupidity
(this is tongue in cheek, but only like 47% so)
Quote : | "Instead of just trying to convince people that racism bigotry, sexism, and being an overall con are wrong" |
you say a lot of dumb things. this is one of them.
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 4:52 PM. Reason : .]10/3/2016 4:47:52 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
Thats my point though. You are out of touch and haven't learned anything from history. Instead of reaching out to these people and trying to hear their real grievances, you take the easy way out and just label them as "stupid racists" and labeling me as "dumb" for not doing the same. That will only push them farther away and deeper into extremism. You continue to make the same mistakes with terror, and law enforcement as well.
Our failed government and neoliberal politics have turned the country into a breeding ground for hate. Most of these people realise the hatred is wrong but they have been pushed into a corner and feel like their voices have gone unheard to long. They are victims of racist manipulators. If they had a government that cared about them instead of corporate interests, they wouldn't be so vulnerable to the racist manipulators.
JCE calls it the "victim-narrative", you will probably call it "sympathising with racists" but its all the same. You can't end terror, racism, or rioting while simultaneously oppressing the people who are vulnerable to joining it and ignoring all of thier greviences.
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 5:06 PM. Reason : its a lot easier to call someone a stupid racist than it is to try to figure out why] 10/3/2016 5:05:36 PM |
BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
Don't give the left too much credit for being full of smarties. I am sure that a ton of the liberal voting base would boil up over hearing that he hasn't paid any taxes in the past 20 years, even if he did so in a legitimate way. 10/3/2016 5:25:32 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
You know, at this point, it's hard to believe there's much overlap between Trump supporters with "real grievances" and people who "realise the hatred is wrong". It's not like Trump has been subtle with his racism and xenophobia, if anything he's getting more explicit with each passing day. You're either ok with it, or are too stupid to realize it's hatred.
[Edited on October 3, 2016 at 5:36 PM. Reason : .] 10/3/2016 5:36:15 PM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
If it's so explicit, maybe you could name 1 example? 10/3/2016 6:28:28 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Mrs housekeeping 10/3/2016 6:35:49 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Honestly just search any Jewish reporter on twitter and read the responses.
At some point it doesn't matter if Trump is explicit or not. He has dog whistled awful people out of the shadows. 10/3/2016 6:36:47 PM |
JCE2011 Suspended 5608 Posts user info edit post |
Lol allegedly said ms. Housekeeping. The people shitting themselves about that is why Trump is popular. Orange asshole vs corrupt calculating robot. Tough call. 10/3/2016 8:04:54 PM |
UJustWait84 All American 25821 Posts user info edit post |
Trump never denied calling her that. In fact, he doubled down on his comments. But you're too fucking stupid to understand the whole situation anyway, so why am I bothering? 10/3/2016 8:16:46 PM |
The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
yo nym, you didn't answer the questions 10/3/2016 8:19:43 PM |