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"BOTH automatically or manually, but you can't expect every app developer to do that extra work to get their app to market. in the end it's pretty dumb, especially when so many other competing platforms support multitasking"

As a developer, I would never use an excuse that piss poor. If the OS gives you the ability to 'pause/resume' your app you should take full advantage of it and leave the whining of multitasking to the users. If you don't know what you're doing you have no business getting apps to market. Between Push and 'pause/resume' it mimics multitasking to a degree except when it comes to apps like Pandora/radio which is really the only good use of multitasking on such a device.

I cant view apps/content side by side. Even if I could I wouldn't want to because the screen is small enough for one window at a time. That leaves us with audio. If audio apps could run in the background much like the iPod app then thats all that is really needed for multitasking. Push/'pause resume' takes care of everything else.

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 12:05 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2010 12:03:02 PM

the argument you're attempting to start will be moot when apple releases OS 4.0, FYI.

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"apps like Pandora/radio which is really the only good use of multitasking on such a device."

hahaha ok man, if you say so.

3/16/2010 1:44:28 PM

^what other apps besides audio apps will you benefit from with multitasking that 'pause/resume'/push doesn't already address?

and location service apps just drain the battery plus there are apps that update your location without the app running...so thats not it.

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"the argument you're attempting to start will be moot when apple releases OS 4.0, FYI."

When you can link something from apple.com on OS 4.0 then we'll talk. Until then its all just speculation and rumors.

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 1:49 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2010 1:48:04 PM

I'm actually with Golovko on this to a certain extent. The problem with your game not saving state is ultimately the developer's issue, not Apple's.

Like, it'd be nice if Apple's OS supported multi-tasking, but it's been 3 years and it hasn't changed, so if you're the developer, you need to fix it.

3/16/2010 1:56:11 PM

^thats what I'm saying. If you are going to develop for a certain platform, know how it works and develop features accordingly.

Let the users bitch about the lack of multitasking.

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 2:04 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2010 2:04:12 PM

I mean i use backgrounder/multitasking daily for pandora, games, GPS app if I'm in my car (takes too long to load if i completely shut it down, my run-meter app for workouts, logmein, and various other apps that take too long to load/or don't save your settings on close.

How many of you actually use multitasking on the iPhone regularly so you have the legitimate experience to criticize/praise it?

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 2:25 PM. Reason : s]

3/16/2010 2:25:28 PM

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"what other apps besides audio apps will you benefit from with multitasking that 'pause/resume'/push doesn't already address?"

forget the game, it's just a pain in the ass to have to find/re-open up apps after getting a call...or after wanting to jump to another application do something quick (send text, update status etc). i can only imagine how much of a pain in the ass that would be if I wanted to use my iPhone for turn-by turn (like the droid does). like i said before, this thing is just a collection of applications, and it's starting to get on my nerves. if 4.o fixes it, then that'll be great. if not i might have to jump ship

i dont know about the droid, but on the Pre you can cycle through your running app windows with a swipe, just like you swipe through Safari windows on the iPhone. If you don't see then value in that outside of pandora and audio apps then i can't help you with that.

3/16/2010 2:27:41 PM

Can't swipe between applications in Android because Android has support for multiple screens in an instance of an application. Can hold down the Home button and get a pop-up task switcher, though. It even includes apps you've recently closed.

3/16/2010 2:30:17 PM

I can't alt-tab through my running apps

3/16/2010 2:32:43 PM

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"Can hold down the Home button and get a pop-up task switcher, though. It even includes apps you've recently closed."

I found a jailbreak app that does almost exactly that for the iPhone. Swipe your finger and it shows all running apps and lets you switch to them or close them.

3/16/2010 2:46:59 PM

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"like i said before, this thing is just a collection of applications, and it's starting to get on my nerves. if 4.o fixes it, then that'll be great. if not i might have to jump ship "

Lets pre-order Windows Phone 7 Series Phones together.

3/16/2010 2:50:24 PM

^ lol windows mobile, i was talking about android.

3/16/2010 3:10:30 PM

All the reviews did say Windows 7 mobile "out Appled Apple"

3/16/2010 3:40:19 PM

the only way that could be true is if they were paid to say that.

3/16/2010 5:24:47 PM

^haha not at all.

http://gizmodo.com/5472010/windows-phone-7-interface-microsoft-has-out+appled-apple

3/16/2010 5:37:18 PM

yea, windows phone 7 is gonna own. They way they handled the multitasking problem is great.

3/16/2010 5:39:18 PM

^ multi-tasking is pretty much exactly like apple from what I read. Native apps have background / push but developers have no access to it "for the time being". Supposedly they may eventually open it up but that's a big if. Did I miss something?

3/16/2010 6:31:12 PM

IBT negativeNancy Shaggy shit storm.

3/16/2010 6:32:01 PM

actually its nothing like the iphone. You can plugin to the core components of the os, removing the need for 99% of the multitasking you want to do on the iphone.

3/16/2010 6:52:27 PM

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"removing the need for 99% of the multitasking you want to do on the iphone."

lol? Either your understanding of multitasking is all wrong or mine is

3/16/2010 6:59:05 PM

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"lol? Either your understanding of multitasking is all wrong or mine is "

Actually the way that MS is handling multitasking is exactly what you were talking about on the top of the page. Rather than having a Pandora app, Last.FM app, etc, all of them plug into a Music hub. That music hub can then run in the background.

3/16/2010 7:25:52 PM

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"for the next version of the iPhone, is there any talk about an LED that lights up with you have a notification (missed call/text/whatever you want to define). My blackberry has this feature, and I love it. And I seem to remember the Pre having it to. Why isn't apple including this functionality?"

kinda possible with "Notifier" with jailbreak. it puts a notification icon in the title bar next to the battery icon for each different type of notification.

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"I would kill for the ability to jump to the bottom of a page automatically. Someone pelase tell me this exists and I just don't know about it"

exists with a jailbreak through "QuickScroll 2", nothing through the app store tho.


i'm really liking Circuitous app manager for backgrounder, get a nice little popout dock showing all of your backgrounded apps.

3/16/2010 7:31:27 PM

^strictly speaking from a UI design point of view...that is one ugly unusable UI. Way too busy and that background image doesn't help.

3/16/2010 7:37:21 PM

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"^strictly speaking from a UI design point of view...that is one ugly unusable UI. Way too busy and that background image doesn't help."

That's not how it is all the time. The side bar pops in and out, and in regard to the background image that's just personal preference. In no way is it ugly or unusable. I've seen far worse UI's on android phones or some jailbroken iPhones. I don't see how a background can ruin a UI unless it completely prevents you from seeing the icons. I for one got really tired of the black background. The iPhone UI hasn't changed in years. It's boring and bland.

^^No 5 icon dock?

3/16/2010 7:49:06 PM

^^what he said

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 7:54 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2010 7:54:31 PM

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"That's not how it is all the time. The side bar pops in and out, and in regard to the background image that's just personal preference. In no way is it ugly or unusable. I've seen far worse UI's on android phones or some jailbroken iPhones. I don't see how a background can ruin a UI unless it completely prevents you from seeing the icons. I for one got really tired of the black background. The iPhone UI hasn't changed in years. It's boring and bland. "

This is something I disagree on. A background image (photo not solid color/gradient) makes the home screen look cluttered and unusable. You have too many color variations in the image that it makes it harder to quickly and easily recognize icons. The example above makes it near impossible to read some of the icon labels because the text is almost the same color as the background.

A background image works for desktops because the primary method of running apps isn't distracted by the image. (Start menu in windows or the dock/finder in Mac OS X).

In reference to the side bar for background apps, that is a poor implementation for a UI. A better UI would have been to slide down (out of view) the 4 icon tray and slide up (into view) the background apps tray.

[Edited on March 16, 2010 at 8:05 PM. Reason : .]

3/16/2010 8:03:12 PM

Gloveco. Is there *anyone* you haven't tried to argue/disagree with in this thread?

3/17/2010 10:14:29 AM

like I said before, he'd argue with a damn wall.

3/17/2010 10:43:26 AM

Yes plenty. Or you know I could just agree with everything everyone says all the time.

3/17/2010 10:53:06 AM

i didn't want to believe it

but there it is in black and white

or black and gray i guess

message_topic.aspx?topic=590627&page=1#13833923

3/17/2010 11:14:51 AM

that's hilarious.

i'm glad i'm not the only one who notices it.

3/17/2010 11:38:15 AM

^^^or just shut up

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 11:54 AM. Reason : ]

3/17/2010 11:50:00 AM

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"^or just shut up and learn to think for yourself"

I have noticed that Froshkiller is an idiot and a troll. How was that even remotely an argument? Sadly I have yet to eat fast food that cost $5 or less. True statement. Can anyone disagree with how much I spend on any given fast food meal?

I have also noticed that synapse is an idiot and a troll and will agree with anything you say just for the sake of agreement.

I find that hilarious.

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"^^^I agree with you, I was just posting how I figured he came to that savings amount."

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" I will agree that pre-X quicktime was complete garbage."

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"I agree 100% with you on Palm being dumb."

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"While I would agree with you, my concern is that the USB port isn't actually for transferring video but rather the still images that most video cameras can also take."

[Edited on March 17, 2010 at 12:20 PM. Reason : I, too, can play your silly games.]

3/17/2010 12:11:24 PM

gloveco defends itunes, so that really says alot right there.

3/17/2010 12:15:32 PM

oh look, its negative nancy shaggy to help derail yet another thread.

3/17/2010 12:20:32 PM

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"color variations in the image that it makes it harder to quickly and easily recognize icons. The example above makes it near impossible to read some of the icon labels because the text is almost the same color as the background."

You can change the font/color/highlighting of the fonts to make them fit, or just turn off the text like i did. I know what the icons are, so I don't need the words.

Anyway it all comes down to personal preference. If you like looking at a black background each day then to each his own. I personally got bored of it and like having a background. It doesn't make it unusable for ME and that's what matters. Plus everyone who sees my phone loves the background and theme.

3/17/2010 12:25:31 PM

Anyone else notice that AT&T bumped up the file size cap for 3G from 10mb to 20mb? I just noticed this the other day.

3/19/2010 5:12:14 PM

The day golovoko moves on to the next best thing and gets the hell out of this thread, well that's the day it's only filled with relavent information.

3/20/2010 12:37:43 AM

going to London and Scotland tomorrow for 2 weeks. First thing I'm doing when i get over there is heading to an O2 store and picking up a 30 day sim card for 15 pounds. Unlimited data, unlimited text, and like 25 cents a minute (just going to use skype for voice (2 cents a minute)).

I love having a gsm phone.

3/25/2010 12:02:50 AM

So I just dropped my iPhone and the screen is pretty busted. It doesn't look like the glass is cracked, but the LCD is pretty messed up. I vaguely remember somebody on here saying they fixed iPhone screens (and searched but couldn't find it) do they/you fix the glass or the LCD? If the LCD, how much do you charge and how long does it take? Thanks

3/28/2010 8:43:37 PM

how much could i sell a near-new condition (no scratches on back or screen, buttons and dock connector work fine) 1yr old black 8GB iPhone 3G for right now? it will bring more if I restore and then jailbreak/soft unlock it, right? also would include a silicone slipcover, leather horizontal belt pouch with magnetic flip, unused screen protector, car charger and mount.

3/28/2010 8:56:19 PM

quick question....


I have a link to TWW on my apps and for the longest time the app icon was just the red/white horizontal bars of the thread list from chit chat. I noticed this weekend that the link is now the actual Wolf head (awesome!). How did this happen automatically?

3/29/2010 10:21:37 AM

qntmfred changed the icon on the website that pulls from. Your iphone just realized the icon had changed when you loaded the page at some point and updated it on your dashboard.

3/29/2010 10:38:34 AM

very cool

3/29/2010 11:35:45 AM

he changed that a LONG time ago... I was the one that asked him to do it and it was right after I got my iphone last summer

3/30/2010 12:21:27 AM

iPhone finally coming to Verizon

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2010/03/29/wsj-verizon-definitely-getting-the-iphone/

3/30/2010 12:51:38 AM

^ don't take this the wrong way, but you're an idiot if you believe that

3/30/2010 4:22:40 PM

Considering how closely the WSJ worked with Apple on the iPad, I don't think it's so far fetched to believe they would have an inside scoop.

3/30/2010 4:44:14 PM

A source outside of apple with an 'inside scoop', now thats funny!

3/30/2010 4:48:59 PM

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"Still, Yukari Iwatani Kane, co-author of the article, has previously reported some Apple rumors in the Wall Street Journal that turned out to be fairly accurate--so maybe that grain of salt doesn't have to be quite so big."

They've used controlled leaks before. Apple is retarded if they don't make a CDMA version, the recent growth of Android is reason enough to do it.

3/30/2010 7:40:09 PM