yes she naturalized in 1988

10/31/2018 10:23:16 AM

Donald was, though. So while correct they really weren’t so-called “anchor babies.”

But they are shitty humans.

10/31/2018 10:24:50 AM

the layers to his argument are going to cause some hilarious issues.

So far Ive heard that they will be focusing on "illegal" immigrants and not people who have a legal right to be in the country moving forward from this point. So are people on a temporary visa, permanent resident, or work visa still under the rules of the 14th? Ive heard alittle of everything. Someone "on the internet" was complaining about people flying here while pregnant and giving birth here. I cant imagine that would be included but who knows!

Also, according to my family and what records we have, my great great grandmother was never a citizen. She was born in the Austria Hungary Empire and died in the 1930's. lol

[Edited on October 31, 2018 at 10:38 AM. Reason : giving/having]

10/31/2018 10:37:23 AM

if you're in the country illegally and ICE tries to arrest you just tell them that the president said you're not subject to their jurisdiction and they have to go away and leave you alone

checkmate, pedes!

10/31/2018 10:42:44 AM

Quote :

"Someone "on the internet" was complaining about people flying here while pregnant and giving birth here. "

This is why Trump will never follow through on this. His Russian oligarch owner’s would be furious if they couldn’t fly their wives/mistresses to South Florida to give birth.

10/31/2018 10:46:27 AM

Clearly this will only pertain to brown people.

10/31/2018 12:01:26 PM

lol at anyone who says it won't happen because it isn't legal

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans

liberals really need to stop basing their arguments on legality.

[Edited on October 31, 2018 at 12:51 PM. Reason : .]

10/31/2018 12:36:13 PM

I was just thinking that this morning. They’re so close to being like, “Constitution? Shmonstitution” and flipping us all off.

YO DICK! TELL EM WHAT WE DO AT THE RANCH

10/31/2018 12:57:19 PM

Quote :

"lol at anyone who says it won't happen because it isn't legal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internment_of_Japanese_Americans liberals really need to stop basing their arguments on legality."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korematsu_v._United_States

10/31/2018 12:59:37 PM

^^^^^https://www.newsweek.com/feds-raid-maternity-hotels-birth-tourists-777643

[Edited on October 31, 2018 at 3:04 PM. Reason : ^]

10/31/2018 3:03:44 PM

I know I reference Hannah Arendt a lot, but you really should read her stuff to get a clear picture of the intent of the right-wing to consolidate power by stripping legal protections from those who oppose them.

With regards to treating immigrants (who are literal refugees seeking political asylum), Arendt argues:

Quote :

"The moment human beings lacked their own government and had to fall back upon their minimum rights, no authority was left to protect them and no institution was willing to guarantee them... ...The clearer the proof of their inability to treat stateless people as legal persons and the greater the extension of arbitrary rule by police decree, the more difficult it is for states to resist the temptation to deprive all citizens of legal status and rule them with an omnipotent police..."

By creating a class of individuals who are stripped of their rights and most basic of legal protections, you create the framework to then add more people into this new caste of non-people, who are effectively rendered politically impotent. By first stripping refugees of their basic personhood, you lay the groundwork to then strip away legal and political power from your adversaries by simply bringing their citizenship into question. You can even win elections and maintain the appearance of electoral and democratic legitimacy even as you are purging your enemies because you can simply declare them to be non-citizens. She goes on:

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"...It is quite conceivable, and even within the realm of practical political possibilities, that one fine day a highly organised and mechanised humanity will conclude quite democratically—namely by majority decision—that for humanity as a whole it would be better to liquidate certain parts thereof... ...The point is that a condition of complete rightlessness was created before the right to live was challenged..""

--Origins of Totalitarianism

Ending rights such as birth-right citizenship is a precursor to denaturalization and wanton criminalization and dehumanization of dissidents and other political undesirables. The minute you create the legal justification for retracting someone's citizenship status, you set the table for further erosion of legal protections for all citizens. Minority owned businesses can be seized and redistributed to friends of the state because an owner's legal status is questionable. Assets can be taken from immigrant communities and given to majority white business and land owners without compensation. Increased vigilante violence can be tolerated and encouraged against marginalized communities because the victims will lack the basic legal protections to fight back. Any form of dissent, negative media representation, or forms of speech can be met with the removal of basic legal protections

This doesn't just go away, it intensifies and broadens its scope to include any and all who oppose the current centers of power. This is not just an electoral dog-whistle aimed at riling up the libidinal pleasure zones of right-wing reactionaries; it's a clear signal of how this current regime intends to maintain and consolidate its power.



[Edited on October 31, 2018 at 7:48 PM. Reason : ]

10/31/2018 7:36:43 PM

And pretty much the entire Republican party (plus quite a few Democrats) have no problem with this escalation.

10/31/2018 8:46:41 PM

You guys are falling for intentional distractions

10/31/2018 9:14:44 PM

Distraction from what, exactly? That's a pretty flippant opinion to have that can honestly only be had in the comfort of white skin.

If you think this doesn't escalate into either executive action or vigilante violence then you are a shit ally

10/31/2018 11:40:25 PM

The comfort of the reality that you cant change an amendment with an executive order, gtfo with your hippie shit. This is about the midterms, it's no different than trump saying they had a tax cut for the middle class -- its nonsense

And distraction from what, are you serious? Did you already forget that Trumps message killed 11 people just days ago, someone sent bombs to 13 people and Trump replied by doubling down and saying he should ramp up attacks on the media, and someone just shot 2 black people in a Kroger after failing to enter a black church
Ignoring those things is the result of your privilege and the result of falling for intentional distractions. Trump was actually losing the narrative over the shootings and bombs, for once he wasn't able to control the media, then he made up some nonsense about citizenship and everyone forgot those things and now hes in control of the narrative again.

[Edited on November 1, 2018 at 12:04 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2018 12:01:29 AM

You just admitted that his words spawn vigilante violence against marginalized communities......

....and I just told you that his railing against birthright citizens leaves Hispanic communities at risk...


So I don't get why you're disagreeing with me.

11/1/2018 12:06:39 AM

Because you're being dumb as shit you fucking moron, stop falling into trumps trap


The only reasonable response is to point out that its nonsense and pivot to real issues. This is just more caravan b7llshit to distract dumb people, and liberal outrage is part of the plan.

[Edited on November 1, 2018 at 12:10 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2018 12:09:03 AM

They're literally putting brown babies into concentration camps and ratcheting up dehumanizing language that can and will be extended to include American citizens and you're out here pulling a Shrike and telling me to keep my eyes on the prize and focus on the midterms.

11/1/2018 12:14:27 AM

It's not nonsense though, the words are riling up his base and getting more and more people to say "yeah we should definitely murder immigrants at the border". And you don't know that he's bluffing.

11/1/2018 12:14:53 AM

The taxcut for the middle class was nonsense, and didn't stick.

This 14th amendment thing is sticking. Congresspeople are coming out in support, the media is musing seriously on the aspects of it. There is a real issue of birth tourism, which can be solved in lots of other ways that don't bump against the 14th amendment, but can also be solved by a slightly different interpretation of the 14th amendment. Even if they don't actually plan to do anything, or can't do anything, like abortion, it could become a new wedge issue that splits independents to the GOP.

America has long defined itself as a nation of immigrants and a melting pot, and Trump and the GOP obviously want to change this. They want to ensure we remain a majority white country.

If anything, people shouldn't be arguing about how Trump could/can't change it, and argue why it shouldn't change even if Trump could.

11/1/2018 12:14:54 AM

Dumb as fuck, you guys make it so easy for him

11/1/2018 12:15:43 AM

We should focus on the real issues... Not these fake issues like determining whether or not brown people should be exterminated.

11/1/2018 12:17:01 AM

You. Can't. Change. The. Constitution. With. An
Executive. Order.

Trump wants you to talk about this instead of real issues because talking about this fake issue gets votes for Republicans

You god damn rubes



[Edited on November 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM. Reason : So obvs ]

11/1/2018 12:17:42 AM

These are real issues if you're Hispanic. Or if you care about them.

[Edited on November 1, 2018 at 12:20 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2018 12:20:42 AM

If it could happen which it cant, but talking about it definitely helps Republicans so congrats you fucking retard

11/1/2018 12:21:30 AM

The average person doesn't get that or get why, they just see trump trying to do something.

The more significant thing is that politicians, even a democrat I think, has come out in support of the idea. I think a pew poll showed 65% of americans support changing how citizenship works.

it's an issue that affects votes, and has resonated for various reasons

11/1/2018 12:23:05 AM

Which is why it's important for non morons to point out why its horseshit instead of the fucking retarded liberal outrage you idiots are doing

Acting like it's a real possibility trump does this gets votes for Republicans

[Edited on November 1, 2018 at 12:27 AM. Reason : .]

11/1/2018 12:26:36 AM

The rhetoric is separate from whether or not it actually happens. The rhetoric itself is violent and dangerous.

don't drink and post dude

11/1/2018 12:30:30 AM

Love to see you hurl the word liberal at me as a slur for caring about the precarious position of minority communities who are being openly targeted by the president while you champion the importance of electoralism. How very radical of you.

11/1/2018 12:32:52 AM

Trump knows he can't make this order. He's absolutely playing his base. Getting them to think he would try to anyway, and if he has his people in congress backing (on top of his newly tailor-made supreme court), he can. He's going to get hundreds of thousands if not millions more republicans to vote than would have before the caravan became an issue.

11/1/2018 1:21:44 AM

Quote :

"They're literally putting brown babies into concentration camps"

no no no

11/1/2018 1:50:35 AM

^^^^^I'm not positive about everybody, but I'm pretty sure most of us read the same shit this morning about how this garbage was a "distraction."





To be clear, you can jerk off all over west Raleigh. You and your whole overbred, lily white, slave owning, hippie Christian missionary family...you can all jerk off together in the Cameron Village parking lot, and I won't say shit. But don't call me a name--any name. You aren't in a position to ever do that.





(Why in the world are you doubling down on the asshole bit right now? Retards and rubes? Really?)





[Edited on November 1, 2018 at 3:52 AM. Reason : Hey, guys! I'm a better/smarter progressive than all you idiots/morons/retards/rubes. ]

11/1/2018 3:32:34 AM

I don't know why you all engage dtr, he's just a leftist version of JCE#s.

11/1/2018 7:46:00 AM

morons on npr talking about the caravan and ending birthright immigration and playing right into trumps hand

why are democrats so fucking bad at this

11/1/2018 8:24:19 AM

The only response to this nonsense from Dems should be “see you in court” and now back to [real issue]

11/1/2018 8:26:26 AM

^yep. This is a losing issue for dems. They need to stay on fucking message.

11/1/2018 8:49:39 AM

trump even has the crazies on this, he's pushing the conspiracy theory that soros is paying for this:

https://twitter.com/RiegerReport/status/1057771642775105537

Quote :

"TRUMP on whether GEORGE SOROS is funding the migrant caravan: “I don’t know who, but I wouldn’t be surprised. A lot of people say yes.”"

i'll agree that the timing of the caravan is suspicious, i could totally believe someone is manipulating them, but if there is a conspiracy you have to look at who benefits and that sure as hell isn't the democrats

11/1/2018 9:03:41 AM

Yeah I don’t see how this is helpful for Democrats.

11/1/2018 9:50:57 AM

Wow, lot of childish name-calling going on in here

11/1/2018 11:03:07 AM

^all of which are going to age poorly when the next act of domestic terrorism in the US is practically guaranteed to be against hispanic communities. And at our current rate, it will probably happen soon.

The hard-right fully believes that brown-skinned people are subhuman and a part of a grand jewish conspiracy to destroy the white race. Anyone who thinks that this is just a diversionary tactic to win a temporary electoral stay in power is an idiot and historically illiterate. You don't need constitutional authority to abuse executive power. Apparently some on the left think that holding up a pocket constitution will act as some sort of magical shield for marginalized communities against those abuses of power. It is not.

11/1/2018 3:13:11 PM

Quote :

"You. Can't. Change. The. Constitution. With. An Executive. Order."

He doesn't have to change the constitution. All he has to do is in put in place new rules about immigration and/or try to deport a natural born citizen. At that point its up to the courts. It would be nice to think it's a slam dunk but I bet Thomas and Kavanaugh would be on his side, convince the other that the language is unclear and it's over.

The constitution is just a piece of paper. It only protects us when everyone agrees what it means, which is never the case.

[Edited on November 1, 2018 at 3:22 PM. Reason : Who would have thought corporations could have unlimited political speech 20 years ago? ]

11/1/2018 3:20:26 PM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-46074719

Quote :

"The Nigerian army has cited a video of US President Donald Trump, in which he says soldiers should respond with force to migrants throwing stones, to justify opening fire on a Shia group this week. "When they throw rocks... consider it as a rifle," Mr Trump says in the clip."

11/2/2018 12:33:21 PM

11/2/2018 12:34:54 PM

Quote :

"i'll agree that the timing of the caravan is suspicious, i could totally believe someone is manipulating them, but if there is a conspiracy you have to look at who benefits and that sure as hell isn't the democrats"

It is never this.

Someone always stands to gain more from telling the secret than from keeping it. That someone would not choose to tell it on reddit either.

11/2/2018 12:38:29 PM

Quote :

"He doesn't have to change the constitution. All he has to do is in put in place new rules about immigration and/or try to deport a natural born citizen. At that point its up to the courts. It would be nice to think it's a slam dunk but I bet Thomas and Kavanaugh would be on his side, convince the other that the language is unclear and it's over. The constitution is just a piece of paper. It only protects us when everyone agrees what it means, which is never the case."

lol

no.

11/2/2018 12:47:33 PM

He just gave right-wing militias the implicit approval to go to the border and border towns to massacre brown people.

He just signaled to his base that a vote for him in this midterm is a vote for the stripping of citizenship of those "millions of illegals" in states like California (i.e, brown-skinned American born citizens). This isn't just hot air aimed at winning the midterm election. It's an obvious declaration of the strategy of how the right intends to maintain and consolidate its authority.

They aren't scheming to prevent citizenship. They are scheming to revoke it.

11/2/2018 1:12:44 PM

an executive order to change the 14th amendment is 100% hot air

if it happened (it wont') it would be challenged in 5 seconds and would get killed quickly in federal court. if congress starts talking about it then it's worth paying attention to because that might actually lead to a supreme court case, but as it stands both the left and right agree that it can't be done by executive order so this is nothing more than getting votes for republicans.

that is not saying that rhetoric isn't dangerous, it's saying that treating this like it's a real thing just feeds that rhetoric and makes it worse.

the only reasonable response to this is to call it the horseshit that it is



[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 1:37 PM. Reason : you god damn rubes]

11/2/2018 1:34:59 PM

Are you malfunctioning? Is he malfunctioning? You keep repeating the same fucking thing.


The entire point of this exercise is to excite his base to vote for Republicans so that they can control all branches of government in order to go ahead with this idea of revoking citizenship.

Why do you think they denied Obama a SC seat and gave two seats to total partisans under Trump? They are seizing power. They intend to use it.

11/2/2018 1:41:14 PM

Dtownral's entire persona on here is that he is locked in a room with total morons that keep shouting at him and he's just trying to get some peace and quiet. Never willing to consider the fact that he's wrong or even slightly elaborate on his argument. Every post is "[very basic statement with no supporting evidence] you idiots!" You don't have to post here you realize that right? If we're all such total rubes maybe find a smarter message board?

11/2/2018 1:50:27 PM

The executive order to intern & deport Japanese Americans lasted a year and a half before it was challenged by the courts, and Korematsu v. United States lasted 40 years before it was overturned. But it absolutely couldn't happen again.

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2018 1:50:55 PM