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"Are you malfunctioning? Is he malfunctioning? You keep repeating the same fucking thing."

stop making the same dumb point and maybe you'll get a different answer

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"The entire point of this exercise is to excite his base to vote for Republicans so that they can control all branches of government in order to go ahead with this idea of revoking citizenship."

and you're helping that happen by pretending that an executive order can change the 14th amendment you total sandwich

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 1:57 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2018 1:56:06 PM

It's like he understands that this is all an attempt to gain power.....But he can't quite figure out or admit to himself WHY they want that power to begin with.

Republicans aren't Democrats. When they get into power they use it. And they use it to remove the power of their enemies. Revoking citizenship is the next logical step in achieving that goal, and pinning your hopes on institutional checks and balances is some liberal-white-middle-class bullshit.

It won't happen (to him) so everyone else is a paranoid hippy retard rube super fag worrying about nothing.

11/2/2018 1:57:20 PM

which federal court do you think would let an executive order change the constitution?

11/2/2018 1:58:42 PM

Which federal court is going to stop right wing vigilante violence?


Who controls these branches of government that you're depending on? It sure as fuck isn't the left.

11/2/2018 2:00:22 PM

there is not any consensus among the right that an executive order can change the constitution

its hot air you gullible idiot

this is the kind of reasoning that exists among conservative federalist society trump appointees:
https://www.gibsondunn.com/wp-content/uploads/documents/publications/Ho-DefiningAmerican.pdf

11/2/2018 2:03:14 PM

Seriously, wtf are you trying to accomplish by trying to insult everyone? Constantly being an asshole isn't productive.

11/2/2018 2:10:14 PM

You realize that Trump has been appointing judges all over the place right?

11/2/2018 2:10:46 PM

Quote :

"You realize that Trump has been appointing judges all over the place right?"

um... read my post again

11/2/2018 2:11:39 PM

You keep retreating to your very narrow argument that an executive order can't change the constitution like we don't already know that.


We are telling you the intent of this messaging, and you keep staring blankly back at us saying, "these go to eleven"

11/2/2018 2:11:46 PM

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"You keep retreating to your very narrow argument that an executive order can't change the constitution like we don't already know that. "

it's absolutely not clear that you know that, i mean look at rwoody's post

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"We are telling you the intent of this messaging, and you keep staring blankly back at us saying, "these go to eleven""

yeah duh, i've responded to this and you've apparently ignored it

let me try it louder

ACTING LIKE IT'S A REAL THREAT AND NOT HOT AIR HELPS THEIR MESSAGING, IT STRENGTHENS THEM, IT GIVES THEM VOTES, IT HELPS THEM GAIN MORE POWER

engaging their bad faith hot air nonsense like it is a real credible threat is losing



[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:15 PM. Reason : rubes]

11/2/2018 2:12:45 PM

Dtownwral is going to show his solidarity with marginalized people as they are being dragged off to camps by yelling at them, "But that can't change the 14th amendment!" and then insulting them by referring to them as various half eaten household food items for some reason.

11/2/2018 2:16:05 PM

find me a post where i have said that immigration is not being attacked, i'll wait

11/2/2018 2:17:07 PM

Quote :

"ACTING LIKE IT'S A REAL THREAT AND NOT HOT AIR HELPS THEIR MESSAGING, IT STRENGTHENS THEM, IT GIVES THEM VOTES, IT HELPS THEM GAIN MORE POWER"

Just ignore the fascistic threats of people who want to exterminate you and they'll go away you guyyz why are you being such avocados?

11/2/2018 2:17:59 PM

Also ignoring the fact that executive orders can be unconstitutional and remain unchallenged, or wrongly interpreted as constitutional by the very right wing federal courts.

11/2/2018 2:21:06 PM

^^
you can reply to them in a way that's not pretending like trump is actually going to end birthright citizenship with an executive order

for example - by calling it horseshit

Quote :

"Also ignoring the fact that executive orders can be unconstitutional and remain unchallenged, or wrongly interpreted as constitutional by the very right wing federal courts."

there is no right wing consensus that an executive order can change the constitution, the link i posted above is a federalist society trump judge. if you disagree please answer the question i posted above: which federal court do you think would let an executive order change the constitution?

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:23 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2018 2:21:23 PM

Hey guys everyone has already agreed on what the constitution means and there is no chance a federal and Supreme Court packed with Trump sycophants will decide on a different interpretation of a short sentence.

There's no way the executive arm of the US government could decide to try deporting someone under a loose claim that they aren't citizens and have the Supreme Court uphold that. Not like the court has two Trump appointees and a 3rd with a wife that posts racist memes and conspiracy theories. You're basically relying on Roberts and Alito right? Good luck with that

^You can claim that current judges PROBABLY won't uphold something like that, and I'd agree chances are probably pretty low. But you are claiming an impossibility which is absurd. You get a good run of the right radical judges and you're relying on 5 guys.

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:26 PM. Reason : E]

11/2/2018 2:23:57 PM

please show me examples of trump judges who you think would agree to an executive order changing the constitution


edit: at least we'll finally be able to get some gun control when president sanders writes his executive order

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:28 PM. Reason : it wouldn't even make it out of federal court, which doesn't even matter because it's not real]

11/2/2018 2:25:17 PM

It's not "changing the constitution" you fucking rube, jesus. It's interpreting it differently which happens all the time. Half the country doesn't agree with the interpretation of half the amendments. Did citizens United "change the constitution"??

If you admit that a judge CAN decide that way, you're argument is completely different.

You need to say "this probably won't happen you rubes" instead of "this is impossible you rubes"

11/2/2018 2:30:02 PM

And regardless of whether or not it's possible, the fact is he is claiming he wants to do it, and so a significant portion of the country is embracing this rhetoric. We need to come out strongly against the idea itself, or else we're fucking terrible allies. We aren't just playing electoral politics here.

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:33 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2018 2:32:32 PM

no.

it would be a fundamental change, it would go against the point of the amendment and no court would go along with it

trump won't even try

if congress starts talking about it then it's worth paying attention to

right now it's hot air

it's hot air for the right, it helps them get votes and get power

democrats acting like it's real only helps the right

immigration is generally a losing issue for democrats even when the right side is operating in good(ish for them at least) faith. this is 100% bad faith hot air nonsense, it's a double loser for democrats.

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:34 PM. Reason : almost forgot: you rubes]

11/2/2018 2:33:26 PM

"They can't change the constitution, they can't change the constitution, they can't change the constitution," he repeats to himself as he's being stomped out by jack-booted thugs.

11/2/2018 2:38:48 PM

this fake threat is real, this fake threat is real, this fake threat is real, he shouts to the crowd of republicans at their election victory party as they gain more power

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:41 PM. Reason : rubes]

11/2/2018 2:40:35 PM

Except that's exactly what Trump is doing. He's declaring a fake threat to be real to excite his base


And he's going to do that regardless of whether or not the left engages with him on the matter. Ignoring his intent is to allow it to happen

11/2/2018 2:42:50 PM

President Trump at every rally: We should kill all Hispanics in America.

dtownral: Don't worry, he can't do that, it's unconstitutional. Just false promises that don't matter.

11/2/2018 2:43:09 PM

trump was losing the narrative last week, for probably the first time he had lost control of the message

he's controlling it again and winning the narrative

Quote :

"Except that's exactly what Trump is doing. He's declaring a fake threat to be real to excite his base "

your response, treating it as a real thing, also excites his base

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:45 PM. Reason : your position is helping republicans win votes]

11/2/2018 2:43:21 PM

Quote :

"it would be a fundamental change, it would go against the point of the amendment "

Not everyone that voted on that amendment agrees with you. And 2 Supreme Court justices disagreed in the precedence case just 20 years later so....

Also the term "illegal immigrant" didn't exist at the time so its silly to say the amendment was intended to give those children citizenship.

Also my reaction to this has absolutely no effect on anyone not reading this thread. As for me, it just makes me more solidly democrat, so I'm not sure how that helps republicans

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 2:45 PM. Reason : If only I could think of an amendment that was ruled different from the intent... ]

11/2/2018 2:43:56 PM

still waiting for examples of judges or which courts you think will disagree

11/2/2018 2:45:32 PM

Judge Kavanaugh
Judge Clarence Thomas
Maybe alito and gorsuch

11/2/2018 2:48:20 PM

no

and more importantly it wouldn't ever get there

11/2/2018 2:49:32 PM

Cool

11/2/2018 2:52:56 PM

winning narrative:
you can draw a direct line from the vitriolic language about the caravan and birthright immigration to the dead bodies in pittsburgh and the 12 bombs sent last week

losing narrative:
trump says he might issue an executive order to end birthright immigration, let's talk about what that would look like and if its possible and what that would mean.


last week the media was on the first one, now they are on the second one and you all are clamoring for more of it

11/2/2018 2:55:22 PM

We're talking on a message board you dope

What are we winning and losing? Are we political strategists or independent citizens? Are we media pundits? Does anyone here watch cable news?

11/2/2018 2:57:31 PM

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"trump was losing the narrative last week, for probably the first time he had lost control of the message"

Oh my fucking God. He was going to do this anyway. Authoritarian leaders always do. It's not something that can be ignored. You can't ignore fascistic threats. You have to expose their threats for what they truly are. In this case, the concept of "controlling immigration" as actually about revoking.citizenship for non-whites. The suggestion that this is paid by Soros is a clear anti-semetic dog whistle that suggests that Jews are secretly conspiring to destroy the white race. You have to make it clear that a vote for Republicans at this point in time is a vote for ethnic cleansing. Republicans are openly declaring who their enemies are so that they can kill them and call it an act of self defense.

Stop trying to expose his past crimes and start planning how to prevent his future ones. He's fucking telling you who his targets are. Believe him.

11/2/2018 2:59:37 PM

how is this:

Quote :

"winning narrative: you can draw a direct line from the vitriolic language about the caravan and birthright immigration to the dead bodies in pittsburgh and the 12 bombs sent last week"

ignoring threats?

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". You have to make it clear that a vote for Republicans at this point in time is a vote for ethnic cleansing. "

that's essentially what i am calling for

arguing about trump's hot air fake executive order is not doing that, it's a distraction from doing that

[Edited on November 2, 2018 at 3:01 PM. Reason : .]

11/2/2018 3:00:28 PM

after everything that has happenend that lsat 18 months I don't know how you can rule anything out, dtownral. Burying your head in the sand and saying it will never happen is not wise. but maybe i'm just a rube...

11/2/2018 3:30:02 PM

Yes

11/2/2018 6:42:56 PM

^^Because none of this shit is real to him. He's just posting. This is all about getting his lulz online. He doesn't actually care about the groups who are being targeted.

11/2/2018 7:35:44 PM

In other news Trump thought America was a shithole for 8 years.

11/2/2018 8:08:38 PM

^^ another dodge

11/2/2018 8:25:03 PM

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"In a new interview with Vanity Fair, Trump’s former personal lawyer Michael Cohen recalls four explicit instances of Trump saying racist things about black people: “Black people are too stupid to vote for me.” “Name one country run by a black person that’s not a shithole. Name one city." While traveling through a Chicago neighborhood: “Only the blacks could live like this.” On a black finalist on “The Apprentice”: “There’s no way I can let this black f-g win.” "

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2018/11/02/michael-cohen-says-trump-said-racist-things-heres-why-thats-increasingly-believable/

11/2/2018 9:37:43 PM

shocking!

11/3/2018 12:18:55 AM

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"that's essentially what i am calling for"

Yeah, sure thing, boss. You've spent the past two pages autistically screeching about the 14th amendment. It's pretty clear that your suggestion to fight Trump's threat of eliminating brown-skinned Americans is to fact-check him to death.

So while you're sitting in your chair yelling, "reeeeEEEE, Syntax Error, Syntax Error, Invalid input, reeee!!!! Cannot change 14th amendment with executive order, reeee!!!", he and his followers are in the corner ignoring you and asking themselves what their final solution will be for handling the "immigration question"

11/3/2018 12:44:48 PM

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"Angus King is a Fake Independent who votes with Schumer 88% of the time. Angus wants to repopulate Maine with Syrian and Somalian refugees. Support @SenatorBrakey who fights for secure borders and Better Jobs for Maine. #me #maine"

This is Jr not senior

https://twitter.com/donaldjtrumpjr/status/1058761659412606976?s=21

11/3/2018 2:23:59 PM

^^ another dodge, cute

11/3/2018 3:21:21 PM

Watching last nights Bill Maher, and most of his audience wouldn’t cheer for defending birthright citizenship...

11/3/2018 4:25:52 PM

Another GOP extremist shot 7 people last night

11/3/2018 4:47:45 PM

^ the yoga studio? Where the GOP link?

11/3/2018 6:05:18 PM

He said a bunch of racist, misogynistic stuff, and he complained about immigration and Obamacare. I think it's fair to make Republicans own their shit, and all the stuff he was on about is their garbage.



(He also said a bunch of stuff about the police, but that was probably just cause the police were the ones arresting him for butt touching strange women.)

11/3/2018 6:37:39 PM

Random trivia, but more Americans practice Yoga than watch NASCAR

11/3/2018 8:03:38 PM

U.S. militia groups head to border, stirred by Trump’s call to arms

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/us-militia-groups-head-to-border-stirred-by-trumps-call-to-arms/2018/11/03/ff96826c-decf-11e8-b3f0-62607289efee_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.622d9fb234e9


But at least he can't change the ConnNsssTiTUUutiOn

11/5/2018 2:14:20 PM