farnold can play 20 minutes against wake if they run that retarded press defense again this year

other than that his ass needs to find the bench permenantly

7/13/2009 5:20:26 PM

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"i am seriously going to be fucking livid the entire season if farnold plays more than 3 minutes/game. i hope you're ready to read about it on tww, everyone."

i'm more excited about that than the actual games.

7/13/2009 5:25:38 PM

Man I have been a pack fan all my life and have just graduated from NCSU........our Basketball team has been failing terribly since my freshmen year which wast 04-05 season.......what the hell is next with our program? Atleast the football program has been making a few strides forward!

7/13/2009 5:34:24 PM

eh, Farnold can play against the scrub teams cause I still think he has potential. If he rocks out with his cock out I'll give him more than 3 minutes in the ACC. Otherwise, I agree. He has shown flashes where he can play but a lot where he was a total waste. Of course, everyone on the team has shown that they can suck a lot of ass at times so whats the difference?

7/13/2009 5:34:32 PM

Farnold would probably be a better basketball player if it weren't for all those people on the internet putting him down all the time.

7/13/2009 5:56:26 PM

Has it been noted that we filed a petition with the clearinghouse? I'm sure it's standard procedure and it's not like it's worked out for us in the past (Schea Cotton). Also, he could be here in January from what I read on the other site.

7/13/2009 6:12:23 PM

"the other site" is not applicable on tww. just a heads up.

7/13/2009 6:38:05 PM

what the fuck does that mean?

[Edited on July 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2009 7:05:27 PM

Do we still have a basketball team?

7/13/2009 7:10:03 PM

If he got here in January he'd still only have 3 more seasons to play, correct?

Seems like it would be a waste of a year of eligibility if you ask me

Although I guess he would redshirt this season if he didn't come until Jan

[Edited on July 13, 2009 at 7:38 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2009 7:37:45 PM

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"Hodge wasn't even the guy his freshman year. "

Hodge carried us to the NCAA tournament that year. He was our best player along with Grundy. He made a HUGE impact as a freshman. Don't be foolish. Of course, he was like the top recruit that went to college that year but still freshmen can make a difference.

7/13/2009 8:08:35 PM

Hodge was good ... I wasn't saying he wasn't. Just saying he didn't come in and instantly become the go-to guy (just as brown wouldn't come in here and instantly become the guy). That was Grundy's team.

Some people are acting like we lost our entire recruiting class and our best player. (1) We've got some good players not named Brown coming. (2) Brown should be here next year

7/13/2009 9:09:15 PM

I think the loss could have a bigger impact than you are thinking because of:

a) Brown is expected to be a good enough player to make significant contributions as a freshman.

b) Our team's glaring weaknesses at his position(s).

c) The talent and experience level of this team in general doesn't leave much margin for error.

d) What a dreadful season could mean to our program, coaching situation, and 2010 recruiting class.

7/14/2009 1:56:23 AM

smith is our go to guy this year

the problem is he needs A) someone to get him the ball without turning it over 5 times a game and B) someone to take the heat off him so he doesnt get triple teamed

7/14/2009 1:57:33 AM

(C) Improve passing ability out of the post.
(D) Find teammates that can consistently make shots when he passes out of said triple-team*.

7/14/2009 2:36:07 AM

don't have rivals.com access, can someone who does plezzzz post a summary of the interview LoBrown's coach gave about him not qualifying, i guess it shocked him according to the teaser.

[Edited on July 14, 2009 at 8:00 AM. Reason : a]

7/14/2009 7:59:48 AM

^ give me a few and i will

7/14/2009 8:37:30 AM

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""All your doing is berating the rest of us for believing hat we were told." that is precisely what i'm doing. i'll show you to put your hopes into a four month old blog that is blindly optimistic about everything, and then talk like what they post is fact."

Despite the rumors, Brown not qualifying is still a surprise. I don't recall you saying otherwise prior to this past weekend, and no credible media source came out and stated anything either.

And yet, somehow us getting blind-sided by Brown's ineligibility is all WPH's fault. Nevermind the fact that the majority of us check TWW, PackPride, radio shows, and other news sources for this kind of info. No, the blame all belongs to WPH... 100% their fault...

That doesn't make a lick of fucking sense...

7/14/2009 8:38:18 AM

i totally just missed the memo that we are not getting Lorenzo Brown. thanks, vacation.

oh, and FUCK.

7/14/2009 8:39:02 AM

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"Over the weekend, sources have indicated that NC State's star recruit in the 2009 class, guard Lorenzo Brown from Centennial High in Roswell, Ga., did not qualify academically and will need to attend a prep school. Here is a look at the potential impact of Brown not being in a Wolfpack uniform this fall. Load on C.J. Williams? Most projected Brown as a starter next fall for NC State. Without him, there is a hole at shooting guard that must be filled, and the most logical candidate is sophomore C.J. Williams. Among all the candidates, Williams is the only one that has the combination of size and skills to fill the position. The 6-foot-5, 203-pounder averaged 3.7 points per game as a rookie, but he flashed some potential of being a solid role player for the Pack. NC State's only other options at two-guard may be sophomore Julius Mays and incoming freshman Scott Wood. Mays though is a bit undersized at 6-foot-2, 188 pounds, and Wood, 6-foot-6, 170 pounds, needs to get stronger. However, Wood will likely be NC State's best outside shooting option. A wildcard could be fifth-year senior Farnold Degand. There was talk last preseason of Degand spending some time at shooting guard. One potential positive is that if Degand and Mays spend more time at shooting guard, that could mean better ball handling and perhaps less turnovers on the court. Opportunity knocking One man's misfortune is another man's opportunity. With Williams now probably spending almost all of his time at shooting guard, a trio of swing players will now have a chance to earn major minutes. In addition to Wood, redshirt sophomore Johnny Thomas and freshman Josh Davis will have a chance to get on the floor more often at wing forward. Both are similar players, athletic wings who need to improve their perimeter skills. Thomas' experience last year may give him an edge if his knee is healthy and not an issue. He gives the Pack an above-the-rim performer and good defensive and rebounding presence on the wing. Davis will get a quick chance to prove his doubters wrong. NC State surprised recruiting observers when they signed him this spring. Wood though gives NC State an element on the court that neither Davis or Thomas provides, and that's a strong perimeter shooter. More big lineup? Another option at the small forward position is senior Dennis Horner. He averaged 6.4 points a game while making 35.4 percent of his three-point attempts as a junior and was one of the Pack's top reserves last season. Horner is listed at 6-foot-9, 218 pounds, and his quickness may be an issue defensively on the wing, but Horner is clearly more comfortable offensively on the perimeter and facing the basket. Last year NC State played some of their best basketball when coach Sidney Lowe adjusted his starting lineup and put Brandon Costner at small forward and replaced him at power forward with junior Tracy Smith. Costner and center Ben McCauley are gone, but State signed three low post players in Richard Howell, DeShawn Painter and Jordan Vandenberg. Those three will try to fill the void of Costner and McCauley's production and allow Horner to roam the perimeter. Hurt or help Lowe? Lowe obviously needs as much good news as possible, and Brown not qualifying is the last development he wanted in his program. However, the one small silver lining could be if Brown enrolls next year, that means he'll come in at the same time as five-star point guard recruit Ryan Harrow from Walton High in Marietta, Ga. The two lifelong friends would form, on paper at least, a potent backcourt that would rival most if not all the backcourts in the ACC. If State can show some strides in 2009, the arrival of Brown and Harrow should spark growing excitement around the Wolfpack program."

7/14/2009 8:45:52 AM

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"that is precisely what i'm doing. i'll show you to put your hopes into a four month old blog that is blindly optimistic about everything, and then talk like what they post is fact.""

wph works off of the some of the same sources that TOS and PP work off of.

this was surprising news for everyone involved. "believing what we are told" is exactly what happened with entire staff. no one knew this was coming and up until a couple of weeks ago he was believed to be a full qualified player.

7/14/2009 9:01:27 AM

^ that's why i want to know what his coach said because if his coach was surprised, will all the other "insiders" stand up so we can start hanging on your every prognostication and get off WPH's balls.

7/14/2009 9:45:48 AM

this is a pretty good blog post about the Brown situation from Adam Gold at 850thebuzz:

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"Lorenzo Brown isn’t walking through that door. No offense to Lorenzo, whom I’ve yet to actually see play a basketball game, but I don’t see where that really matters that much to the black cloud that appears to hover over NC State basketball. Remember, that as good as Brown is rumored to be, he was still only rated as a top 40 player by Scout and Rivals, so we’re not really talking about the next Eric Gordon. That’s not to say that Brown not being a part of the 2009-10 recruiting class isn’t significant. I think it’s highly significant, just not necessarily in a basketball sense. Clearly, the Wolfpack is facing a climb up a very steep slope in order to squeeze into the upper half of the ACC, but that was the case even had Brown gotten through the NCAA’s academic filter. The significance of Brown not showing up on campus is far more damaging to the public image of the program for two major reasons. The first being that — based on Brown’s reputation — Sidney Lowe won’t be able to showcase his best recruit since J.J. Hickson to the fans to at least give them a glimpse of the type of talent he’s capable of bringing to — and cultivating in — Raleigh. Without Brown on hand, it’s just a team full of role players and no star power, in other words, nothing to alert the media about. The second, and most troubling part of this equation, is that if you’re the head coach, you absolutely have to know that your #1 recruit is going to be an academic qualifier. I don’t see this as an option. When you’re trying to build a program, and you share an airport with two of the greatest programs in the history of the sport, you have to make sure that the star-caliber players you do get, qualify to play academically and you don’t get caught cheating to get them. I think Sidney Lowe is a good basketball coach. There are zero men who are given the reins to coach 300 NBA games who can’t coach. I’ve always said that the proof will be whether or not Lowe can attract good enough players to build a strong, contending program on Hillsborough Street. Through 4 years, there’s no indication that recruiting is significantly better than it was during the first four years under Herb Sendek — and we all know that recruiting was the element that took the longest to catch up during the previous administration. State probably can’t be as good without Brown as they would have been with him, but that element isn’t nearly as damaging as the PR hit you take when your ONLY high-profile recruit doesn’t make the grade — literally."

http://www.850thebuzz.com/blog/?p=10455#more-10455

7/14/2009 1:26:16 PM

He's pretty spot on about the PR part, but I think he is severely underestimating the basketball effect this will have.

Lorenzo was going to be a contributor this year and was expect to be a MAJOR contributor, maybe even go-to guy in Harrow's freshman year. I've said it countless times but THE largest improvement mentally/physically/emotionally is almost invariably from your freshman year to your sophomore year. Now we are going to have TWO guys (and guys we envision as being go-to guys) do that at the same time in what will be a very strong conference in 2010-2011...

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"Despite the rumors, Brown not qualifying is still a surprise. I don't recall you saying otherwise prior to this past weekend, and no credible media source came out and stated anything either. And yet, somehow us getting blind-sided by Brown's ineligibility is all WPH's fault. Nevermind the fact that the majority of us check TWW, PackPride, radio shows, and other news sources for this kind of info. No, the blame all belongs to WPH... 100% their fault... That doesn't make a lick of fucking sense..."

Hmmm... well I have heard rumors on here and from many other places about this happening for well over a year now. Every time (and I know simonm was one always said it was a possibility from what he read IIRC) someone said that it was meant with an almost angry dismissal. I'm not saying I saw it coming, but it wasn't an out of nowhere type of thing...

[Edited on July 14, 2009 at 1:41 PM. Reason : x]

7/14/2009 1:37:36 PM

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"...when your ONLY high-profile recruit doesn’t make the grade..."

Brown was the highest profile recruit, but wouldn't Howell and Painter be considred high-profile as well?

7/14/2009 1:45:26 PM

Mid 60's... They are nice recruits but Brown was a headliner...

7/14/2009 1:50:31 PM

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"Hmmm... well I have heard rumors on here and from many other places about this happening for well over a year now. Every time (and I know simonm was one always said it was a possibility from what he read IIRC) someone said that it was meant with an almost angry dismissal. I'm not saying I saw it coming, but it wasn't an out of nowhere type of thing..."

i've seen it posted by one credible person on packpride and he was some user from the state of GA who may have been a GT fan...cant remember.

when sources that travel with team and play golf with coaches tell you something you tend to take their word for it. if any of them saw this coming they sure didnt let anyone know about it even being a serious possibility.

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"he was still only rated as a top 40 player by Scout and Rivals, so we’re not really talking about the next Eric Gordon."

Zo was rated much higher as a junior ... cant remember but i think it was injury that set him back

[Edited on July 14, 2009 at 2:35 PM. Reason : sdf]

7/14/2009 2:20:29 PM

Brown's academic standing had been floated for a while...but so were a million other players who all made it in. You don't even have to go off our list of signees to find one. When Painter first decommitted from Florida it was said we wouldn't pursue him as most thought he wouldn't qualify for another year. Then it turns out he had gotten things sorted out pretty well and Lowe got on him. Wall, Bledsoe, Cousins...all these guys were said to be in worse position than Brown, but of course it's our guy that's fucked

7/14/2009 2:54:51 PM

Its been said numerous times that Brown's SAT score and GPA had him qualified to play this season as of a week or so before graduation. Whatever happened remains to be known but don't sit here and bullshit about someone knowing that he wouldn't qualify. His own fucking coach said he was good to go as late as april. Nobody knows what happened, leave it at that until you hear otherwise. Everyone with inside information either has their lips sealed or they don't fucking know. (for the record, this rant wasn't particularly directed at you^)


^^Brown was rated as high as 14 after his junior season and a knee injury hurt him on the AAU tour last summer. Other than that, when the rankings were mainly decided, he has been stellar.



[Edited on July 14, 2009 at 4:56 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2009 4:46:26 PM

basically he had some issues with some of his absences due to AAU traveling that were thought to be excused, but they weren't


nothing to do with grades

7/14/2009 9:50:13 PM

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"There are zero men who are given the reins to coach 300 NBA games who can’t coach."

This is not a good point. There is a huge difference in the NBA game and the college game. Lots of great coaches at one level have failed at the other. Plus Sidney has like the worst NBA winning percentage ever among head coaches. Not sure why he would use this.

7/15/2009 12:05:40 AM

I've said this before and will say it again. NC State basketball will never be any good until we fire Sidney Lowe. 4 years is plenty of time.

7/15/2009 12:34:18 AM

well he's only coached three years, but whatever.

7/15/2009 12:37:26 AM

^^ We'll see how things are at the end of the season then.

7/15/2009 9:03:21 AM

dude, it's bad enough you repeat your own posts over and over. please don't start repeating my posts.

7/15/2009 9:08:00 AM

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"nothing to do with grades"

it has to do with missed work ... math work to be specific. thats why he went to summer school to make up said work and graduate. now absences do have an effect on grades so... the whole math work and the math teacher situation was known as early as mid may.

7/15/2009 9:08:01 AM

^^ dude, it's bad enough you repeat your own posts over and over are a jackass when we disagree. please don't start repeating my posts be a jackass regardless.

[Edited on July 15, 2009 at 1:09 PM. Reason : [b]]

7/15/2009 1:08:57 PM

Well, Hargrave should be nasty next season:

ESPNU 100 forward headed to Hargrave

Dominique Ferguson, ranked No. 8 overall in the ESPNU 100, is leaving Lawrence (Indianapolis, Ind.) North High and will enroll at national prep school power Hargrave Military Academy in Chatham, Va., his father told the Indianapolis Star.

Deon Ferguson told the paper "it would have been tough" for his son to meet college entrance requirements had he stayed at LN.

"think he's ready for the next step," the elder Ferguson said. "The public schools aren't great right now. Instead of classes of 32, he'll be in classes of seven or eight."

The former Kentucky commit is still considering the Wildcats, along with Duke, Arizona, Indiana, UCLA, Florida and Texas among others.

Shawn Kemp, Jr. to spend year at Prep School

Class of 2009 center Shawn Kemp, Jr. will not enroll at Alabama in the fall and will instead attend Hargrave Military Academy (Chatham, Va.) for one season, according to The Tuscaloosa (Ala.) News. Kemp, the son of former NBAer Shawn Kemp, Sr., failed to qualify for admittance to Alabama but remains committed to the Crimson Tide.

The 6-foot-9 Kemp will be the first 2010 commitment for new Tide head coach Anthony Grant.

[Edited on July 15, 2009 at 2:34 PM. Reason : sdfa]

7/15/2009 2:32:28 PM

Not sure, but I'd imagine Ferguson and Brown/Kemp will be on different teams. If it's anything like football, they'll have a high-school team and a college-aged team for the non-qualifiers

7/15/2009 2:56:33 PM

"I don't really have a set date for trimming my list. I'm just going to see how it goes, but I will say this, NC State will be in my top five when I do trim it. You can quote me on that." - Luke Cothron

7/15/2009 7:55:08 PM

^I saw that, it was nice to get some good news on the recruiting front after the Brown debacle.

7/15/2009 8:37:21 PM

zomg, brown/harrow/cothron, top 10 2010 class

quick! get your hopes up!

7/15/2009 10:04:19 PM

hahaha, the cycle continues.

7/15/2009 10:52:20 PM

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"The public schools aren't great right now. Instead of classes of 32, he'll be in classes of seven or eight."

since when is the class of 32 kids bad? maybe your kid is just retarded and couldn't get a 900 in SAT score.

7/16/2009 12:08:04 AM

^do you not understand how a class of 7 or 8 would be better than 32? Perhaps its you who's retarded.

7/16/2009 8:21:44 AM

^^Seriously. For me, the most substantial college classes were always the ones that had under 10 students. Except for volleyball, and that's cause my class was loaded with hot chicks

7/16/2009 9:29:17 AM

State fans recruiting hopes: the ugly cycle

-> -> -> -> -> ->

7/16/2009 10:58:02 AM

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"since when is the class of 32 kids bad? maybe your kid is just retarded and couldn't get a 900 in SAT score."

You sure you aren't thinking class as in graduating class? He was talking about actual classes with 32 kids, which in a high school is a ton of kids for one teacher to handle.

I'm not surprised with this, until I actually see the players have arrived on campus and are in the Pack uniform I don't actually believe they'll end up here. It sucks losing him for a year, but I'm more worried that that is just another year for something to go wrong that he doesn't end up here at all, or injury, etc.

7/16/2009 11:05:18 AM

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"State fans recruiting hopes: the ugly cycle\"

So next is

I, too, think Cothron will eventually commit.

7/16/2009 11:51:38 PM

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"You sure you aren't thinking class as in graduating class? He was talking about actual classes with 32 kids, which in a high school is a ton of kids for one teacher to handle."

yea, but to get a qualifying score to play ball in college? A class of 32 might not be ideal, but it doesn't take a lot of effort to get a 900 (or is it 850) on the SAT.

7/17/2009 1:54:41 AM