yeah, that was ridiculous, what with hickson being the best player on our team and all.


and keep dreaming if you think howell is going to be as good as hickson. hickson was a beast. howell will be good, but there's a reason jj went in the first round.

12/8/2009 4:06:07 PM

^ As much as I would love to agree, Howell is not Hickson. But I do think he could be Tracy Smith.

12/8/2009 4:06:57 PM

yeah go ahead and agree with the troll

maybe then it'll go away

haven't tried that yet

12/8/2009 4:08:44 PM

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"NO..because he'll play them 8 minutes a game too trying to "settle them in." "

god you're fucking stupid...Painter and Howell aren't playing big minutes because they aren't good enough at this point in their careers to take minutes away from Horner and Smith. I guess we should just play the freshmen for 20 minutes a game and lose, that way they will be "seasoned" in time for us to lose ACC games too. If Cothron, Brown and Harrow ARE good enough when they get here to play big minutes, Lowe will give them big minutes...it's pretty fucking simple.

12/8/2009 4:11:37 PM

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"So I wouldn't expect next year's to jump right in and make us a top 3 ACC team like many of you are believing."

Hopefully nobody is assuming that. But it's possible. And if we are a "top 3 ACC team" next year, it won't be solely b/c of next year's class. The seemingly solid foundation that's being built right now will be a big factor in that.

12/8/2009 4:15:13 PM

this is getting too funny

12/8/2009 4:16:01 PM

message boards are hilarious

12/8/2009 4:17:19 PM

I just wish GenghisJohn/Bullet would stop calling everyone that has a different opinion than them a troll. It's like talking to a five year old.

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 5:06 PM. Reason : .]

12/8/2009 5:05:57 PM

Quote :

"It's like talking to a five year old. "

pot meet kettle








[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 5:53 PM. Reason : clarification]

12/8/2009 5:52:15 PM

^^ If you aren't a troll you must just be stupid.

Quote :

"CJ Williams could start in front of Wood if your argument actually held any water."

I think this thread should be changed to the NCSU fan credibility watch.

12/8/2009 6:17:06 PM

Quote :

"yeah, that was ridiculous, what with hickson being the best player on our team and all. "

ha

hickson may have had more talent than anyone on that team but he had many many games where he dissappeared. he was not ready for top level acc play.

sid's handling of jj has been discussed ad nauseam, so i wont get into that, but i had to address your statement.

12/8/2009 6:58:44 PM

i'd disappear too if i were a big man playing on a team with guards that couldn't make an entry pass to save their life

he was the best player on that team and we were lucky to even get him for 1 year.

12/8/2009 7:20:50 PM

no one on that team was ready for top level acc play on a consistent basis

but omg one guy got hot for 3 games and we beat duke without gerald henderson!!1

12/8/2009 7:28:24 PM

whatever, he got entry passes all the time, he didnt have enough lower body strength to bang with real acc big men, and when he did post up, he couldnt handle a double team. obviously a guy that needed a year to bulk up and learn to handle the speed/size of college. prob would have been great his soph year.

12/8/2009 7:36:35 PM

im sorry

but i would hope that in the same situation, sid gives the ball to the guy that is nba material

and if ben mccauley doesn't like it, that's tough shit

i understand the whole argument about disrupting team chemistry, but it doesn't look like we're missing Ben or Costner too badly now. if somehow we end up getting CJ Leslie, I hope Sid starts him over Wood at the 3, I don't care if Wood were to get a little upset by it. if you have a great player, then the great player should play.

and all the hickson haters really make me lol

12/8/2009 7:59:02 PM

nba material != nba ready or even necessarily college ready

plenty of great college players arent nba material

and i'm not a hickson hater, if anything i am putting blame on sid for throwing him into the fire when he wasnt ready. i think if hickson had stuck around a 2nd year he could have been a star. as it was, sid decided to roll his dice and make significant changes to a team that had finished the year hot and made it to the tourney finals. it clearly didnt work out, for whatever reasons. you cant say that if he had done differently, it would have been better, that is pure guesswork. however, hickson didnt win any games for us, that is for sure.

and the wood argument is pure idiocy at this pt, it is no big decision to start a frosh over a guy that sucks. hickson took PT from two guys who had proved themselves in acc play.

[Edited on December 8, 2009 at 8:57 PM. Reason : a]

12/8/2009 8:56:38 PM

Quote :

"sid for throwing him into the fire when he wasnt ready"

i see what you're saying

but i'm pretty sure he went 12-12 from the field in his first game

12/8/2009 9:01:50 PM

against short people U

12/8/2009 9:25:52 PM

Lol, I don't buy any argument about Hickson not being better than McCauley. Look at how McCauley performed w/o any serviceable guards (last year) versus how Hickson performed with basically the same set of guards (a year earlier).

Or hell, even compare the two during the season they played together. Some games they get the same number of minutes and Hickson put up better numbers pretty much every time. And some games McCauley would absolutely disappear.

12/8/2009 9:33:34 PM

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"In his first game as a freshman, Hickson scored 31 points, making all 12 of his attempted field goals against the William & Mary Tribe. He scored a career best 33 points later in the season. Hickson was named ACC Rookie of the Week on three occasions, scored 20 or more points seven times and registered 10 double-doubles. He set an ACC single-game freshman record by pulling down a career-high 23 rebounds and also added 13 points and four blocked shots versus Clemson University. Hickson scored a career-high 33 points on 10-11 shooting and grabbed 13 rebounds versus Western Carolina University and put up 27 points and 14 rebounds versus Miami in the first round of the ACC Tournament. For the season he averaged 14.8 ppg and 8.5 rpg (leading all freshmen) while shooting 59% from the field. He was selected to the All-Freshman team in the ACC, and an honorable mention for All-ACC."

THROWN INTO THE FIRE

lol

12/8/2009 9:55:02 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsiBhQ60rJE

12/8/2009 9:58:16 PM

^^^Yeah, I liked McCauley on offense but he was always a huge liability on defense. His interior D consisted of putting up his arms and standing still. JJ, as a freshman, altered shots in every game he played in.

What really pissed me off was when the team would act butt hurt and just stand around once they passed they ball into JJ instead of crashing the boards. You could also see the hesitation and unwillingness of some guys to pass him the ball, even when JJ had the favorable matchup.

JJ was by far the best player on that team and on a team without a capable pg Lowe was damn right to make him the core of the offense. It is absolutely obvious that Atsur made a lot of players look a hell of a lot better than they actually were.

My biggest problem with Lowe that season was his unwillingness to bench the "Big 3 Vaginas" as they poisoned the team with their shitty primma donna attitudes.

12/8/2009 10:49:51 PM

^ditto

12/9/2009 7:24:52 AM

Quote :

"CJ Williams could start in front of Wood if your argument actually held any water"

lolol i had my doubts and thought you were a troll, turns out you're just an idiot...

12/9/2009 10:03:46 AM

Best thing we have going for us this year is the absence of the "Big 3 Vaginas". Now we can actually start to rebuild our program.

12/9/2009 10:09:04 AM

Quote :

"My biggest problem with Lowe that season was his unwillingness to bench the "Big 3 Vaginas" as they poisoned the team with their shitty primma donna attitudes."

He never benched them, but he did cut their playing time significantly toward the end of the year. I remember Tracy Smith starting a few games at 4 and JJ and 5 -- Costner and McCauley came off the bench.

The problem was it was too little too late. Add Gavin Grant (a 4th Vagina) to that team, and the fact we had NO point guard -- Javi's first year, Degand injured, Marques Johnson -- and you have all the makings of a shitfest of a year.

12/9/2009 10:29:38 AM

To be fair, at the time it would have been just as unpopular with the fans if he would have sat our most accomplished and experienced players on the bench because they were being babies about playing time. He was in a tough place.

12/9/2009 10:39:12 AM

Young team surprising its coach

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/ncsu/story/6579094/

12/9/2009 11:05:02 AM

sounds to me like coach doesn't know his OWN team

12/9/2009 11:51:50 AM

A lot of good in that article. I like reading this ... it shows Lowe and Co. are thinking outside the box to help the team learn how to win consistently:

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"Lowe enjoyed his team's win at Marquette so much that he and his staff edited a highlight tape of all of the positive things his players did. "We titled it "How we won this game" and we showed them all of the things they did to win that ball game," Lowe said. "Just to remind them, this is how you play the game." "

12/9/2009 11:51:52 AM

^^It's December ... he probably doesn't

12/9/2009 11:52:26 AM

NC State fans each year (like clockwork):

Hope: rising... rising... play some cupcakes .. riSING.. play some more cupcakes.. RISING.. beat a Marquette or a Pittsburgh .. hopes RIIISSSSSIINGGG!!!

... go on 10 game ACC losing streak

Hope: DESTROYED.


I for one will not partake in this anymore. It's getting to be ridiculous.

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 11:59 AM. Reason : []

12/9/2009 11:57:42 AM

fine, then stop watching basketball and shut the fuck up

12/9/2009 11:59:22 AM

fuck you, I'll watch basketball if I want and I'll make all the accurate observations I want too. This is a fucking sports forum.

is this or is this not the thread to discuss Sidney Lowe's credibility?

If you want to think he's a credible coach after posting nothing better than a 10th place finish in the ACC for the past 3 years because he beat a mediocre Marquette team on the road then that's fine. I'm just pointing out how ludacris it is to say that after his 3 year track record.

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 12:04 PM. Reason : .]

12/9/2009 12:00:03 PM

still credible

12/9/2009 12:04:49 PM

based on the single win over a Marquette team that played like shit in the 2nd half?

12/9/2009 12:05:34 PM

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"I for one will not partake in this anymore. It's getting to be ridiculous."

Good, stop following Wolfpack sports you uncle-fucker.

I seem to remember similar statements from you when you were OhBoyeee (as well as statements about "arguing w/ a 5-yr old"), and yet you're still here. Why?

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 12:08 PM. Reason : ]

12/9/2009 12:08:31 PM

trolling you.

acting petulant.

i'm sure there's a myriad of reasons.

12/9/2009 12:11:48 PM

Troll troll troll

give me a fucking break. Just take a look at who is doing the real trolling here. Bullet and GhengisJohn. I'm trying to discuss with another poster why they think Lowe is "still credible" and if it is because of a single win over a Marquette team that played horribly for the 2nd half and we managed to win by 4.

If you aren't going to discuss Lowe's credibility in this "Sidney Lowe credibility" thread and call people "uncle-fuckers" or "troll" at every turn you really aren't contributing to the discussion.

12/9/2009 12:14:54 PM

still credible

12/9/2009 12:15:36 PM

I think the important thing to note here is that this is the first real Sid team. That's the biggest change to this year. How well we do is another story, but now Sid should be able to play his game with his players.

12/9/2009 12:19:29 PM

To those who believe he is "still credible":

Lowe's body of work at NC State has been pretty bad. Sure he has won a few games here and there that he had no business winning (the lone UNC win, the win over Duke, the Marquette road win, etc). But if you look at the over all trend of the wins/losses and where we finish in the ACC since his arrival there is absolutely nothing to suggest he's a credible coach. We've gotten ZERO results in his 3 years here.

Now the recruiting he's done has been credible, if not incredible, and some of those recruits haven't even arrived on campus of course. This is year #4 and he's started off better than any could have expected, but we've only played 7 games. A win on the road against Marquette, as I said earlier we probably had no business winning, and if we played them 10 times in the same circumstances we'd probably only win maybe twice?

To blindly declare Lowe as "still credible" after he's produced ZERO results is definitely far fetched.

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 12:33 PM. Reason : []

12/9/2009 12:30:11 PM

still credible

12/9/2009 12:32:20 PM

I'll go ahead and assume that with your lack of a rebuttal and smart ass response that I've made my point to you.

I'm glad I could shed some light on the subject for you.

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 12:36 PM. Reason : []

12/9/2009 12:36:23 PM

still credible

12/9/2009 12:37:55 PM

so who do you propose we get instead?

12/9/2009 12:39:41 PM

please don't encourage him

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 1:13 PM. Reason : V fuck off OyBoyeeee]

12/9/2009 12:46:18 PM

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"so who do you propose we get instead?"

You'll have to remember, I'm not the Athletics Director here. However, I'm in the same boat as a lot people after the sick recruiting class he managed for next year, so if I were AD I'd give him this year and next. If he can't make the NCAAs by next year though he's gone.

Calipari and Barnes were big name coaches that turned us down, but we had them on the hook, they just got away. I'd probably hire a firm this time to try and hire a big name proven coach and have a solid back up. I don't buy into the hype that a big name coach wouldn't want to coach at NC State (historic basketball school) and in the ACC (the best BBall conference in the nation). We were very close on Barnes and Calipari.

^ please quit trolling me

[Edited on December 9, 2009 at 12:51 PM. Reason : []

12/9/2009 12:51:20 PM

still credible. his freshman are showing potential, and with an amazing recruiting class coming in (finally some pointguards!! [not that javi isnt doing well right now (fourth in the nation in assits or something??)]) he will only continue to get better. we gave herb like 9 years. sidney will hopefully start to prove himself by year 5

12/9/2009 12:53:03 PM

I think Sid get's this Season and next to do show improvment.

12/9/2009 12:57:17 PM