Lawmen's has a big holster selection

2/23/2012 10:48:07 PM

Axelay that's ridiculous... hasn't it been way over 90 days by now? I'd be down there raising hell (figuratively) until they handed it over

2/24/2012 7:32:19 AM

Fuck, nevermind, that place was just an ad.

Any opinions on this place in Concord? http://www.eaglegun.com

Or any references for courses in the Charlotte area for beginning shooters? I can go shoot with friends, sure, but they aren't the best at teaching fundamentals I did find this place http://www.firepowernc.com/

Also I did find a review for this other place up the road which made me lol:

Quote :

"These folks are CRAZY. He spent half the time talking about religion, and how evil muslims are taking over the world and we have to stop them with force. The girl who did the units on the law did the best job, but she clearly does not have the grasp of the laws that you would expect from a course instructor. The main instructor said he shoots 9mm so that when UN soldiers invade the US he can snipe them and steal their 9x19 NATO ammunition. The main instructor is seriously out of his mind and in need of counseling. Do NOT take this class. "

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2/24/2012 8:20:09 AM

I am in Charlotte, and have been teaching new shooters for years.
I would be happy to do an intro course if you are interested.

Eagle has gotten good reviews from everyone I have talked to. I hear they are regularly busy.
Firepower is terrible.

2/24/2012 9:48:37 AM

Eagle is where I bought my Kahr and have been there many times. It's just a small good ole boy shop but they have a great selection and brand new range.

they're also willing to negotiate prices, especially during gun show season.


i would be interested in a Charlotte TWW tactical shooting course. that would be fun.



based on their facebook site, they must have completely remodeled.. looks better than ever

here are the details for Eagle's Range...

Quote :

" It's $15.00 for half an hour. $20.00 for a whole hour. $250.00 for an individual for a year and $350.00 for a family for a year. On the year memberships, they start the day you come for the first time! You can contact us here or by email at eagle.guns@yahoo.com or give us a call at 704-788-9013. FAX: 704-721-3681. Open MON-SAT from 9:00am till 9:30PM.Close at 9:30PM on SAT. We hope to see you here shooting with us!!!!"

2/24/2012 9:51:17 AM

Re: Tww tactical shooting course
Weapon: Rifle, pistol, shotgun, or both, all three?
Time: 1 day, 2 day?
Skill level: none, low, some experience?
Cost: $80, $150, $250 (per person)?
How many people:5, 10?

I know some instructors, and could set up a class, but most have a minimum number of students, or a minimum $ intake on their part.
This would require solid commitment from people.

2/24/2012 10:07:58 AM

Anyone ever shot with these guys?

Trace Armory Group in Hillsborough
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trace-Armory-Group/171911812861102

2/24/2012 10:17:15 AM

I'd certainly be interested in a TWW course, but I'm a beginning shooter so it'd be basic stuff as opposed to tactical/advanced shooting - for now. My interest would mainly be in pistols unless I got a shotgun sometime soon...and a shooting course on shotguns would probably be the incentive I need to get one, haha.

My skill level with pistol is low (I can hit the target, reload, clean, but lack fundamentals of stance, trigger pull, avoiding fire anticipation) and none with shotgun (what button reloads?)

From my basic research it seems the going rate was about $75 for a beginners pistol course (4 hours), so anywhere around there would be fine with me. Not sure on adding shotgun on top of that but I'd be cool with anything reasonable.

[Edited on February 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM. Reason : adsf]

2/24/2012 10:29:48 AM

Quote :

"Anyone ever shot with these guys? Trace Armory Group in Hillsborough https://www.facebook.com/pages/Trace-Armory-Group/171911812861102"

I've not shot with them. I kicked around their website for a minute, because I'm always interested in the market saturation of tactical shooters in the NC area.

I can caution you this, if a guy has his magazines mounted upside down, he's probably just trying to reinvent the wheel; additionally being an 11B infantry cat is hardly qualification to teach anything more than basic rifle marksmanship. I was an 11B for 3 years.

Now, down in the Fayetteville area, you have Larry Vickers, Kyle Lamb, the guys at TigerSwan etc. You can also find Larry Vickers trained intructors in the area. I just don't have a lot of time for people who's instructor staff lists being an industry rep as a qualification.

2/24/2012 11:18:12 AM

where would yall do this at?

I would be down.

2/24/2012 11:39:13 AM

^hopefully eastern charlotte

2/24/2012 11:40:57 AM

hmm... i'd have to arrange some housing but i could be down

What are we shooting what should we bring?

2/24/2012 11:43:32 AM

Quote :

"Axelay that's ridiculous... hasn't it been way over 90 days by now? I'd be down there raising hell (figuratively) until they handed it over"

I dunno, maybe I'm just being impatient. I turned in the paperwork on December 19th. Still, maybe I'll give the Sheriff's office a call just to see if they can give me any update. They'll probably just tell me that they're waiting on the SBI to finish the background check.

OK, so I just got off the phone, and they indicated that it has been ordered and should be in the mail any day now. Here's hoping.

[Edited on February 24, 2012 at 2:28 PM. Reason : phone]

2/24/2012 2:26:26 PM

ah i must have been thinking of someone else. Even so, it's been longer than 45 days. like you said, hopefully it's on the way

2/24/2012 4:01:35 PM

anyone have a line on a trigger housing pin and retainer spring for a mossberg 500.
both midway and brownells are backordered.

2/24/2012 4:47:52 PM

love eagle guns, btw.

A+++++ store

2/24/2012 5:06:00 PM

Quote :

"I'm a beginning shooter so it'd be basic stuff as opposed to tactical/advanced shooting"

High speed stuff is just mastering the basics; shooting while doing a hand stand still comes down to sight picture, sight alignment, grip and trigger control.

2/24/2012 5:09:23 PM

Ok, I'm about to pull my hair out but I'm looking for a loop/strap to secure my rifle to a belt/vest when its sling to the rear. I know they make them but need can't find anything on the interwebz.

2/24/2012 11:13:53 PM

Rare earth magnet in your kit or something like this http://www.optactical.com/tagweca.html

2/25/2012 2:17:59 AM

Quote :

"anyone have a line on a trigger housing pin and retainer spring for a mossberg 500. both midway and brownells are backordered."

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/catalog/Products.aspx?catid=11934

2/25/2012 6:14:59 AM

^^Thank you

2/25/2012 10:13:06 AM

my latest acquistion: S&W M&P15 ORC. I'm in NJ so this is a NY/NJ compliant rifle (i know it sucks big time) but i'm still pretty excited by it. i plan to give it a tactical look and have already started looking into parts and accessories for it.



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2/27/2012 9:07:38 AM

looking for a good target shooting (no .22) pistol

I was thinking .357 sig thoughts?

2/27/2012 1:50:25 PM

expensive ammo for just target shooting

[Edited on February 27, 2012 at 2:54 PM. Reason : 9mm is cheap]

2/27/2012 2:54:26 PM

9mm

2/27/2012 3:07:52 PM

I guess I should have been more clear, im kinda a sniper nut. It started with my mosin went to a .338 and then to another big gun.

I kinda like long shooting guns.
I want to learn how to shoot long and flat with an auto pistol (I have a colt python)

2/27/2012 8:27:58 PM

knock yourself out

2/27/2012 8:35:52 PM

a lot of target shooters use .357 sig don't they?

it's not THAT expensive

2/27/2012 10:25:14 PM

i don't really look at factory centerfire ammo prices

2/27/2012 10:41:08 PM

lucky.

2/27/2012 10:58:32 PM

luck's got nothing to do with it. it doesn't cost much to get started reloading

2/27/2012 11:02:19 PM

Anyone on here somewhat familiar with historic German rifles? I have a KAR88 in my possession that's in decent condition (aside from the wear/tear from WW1) and has been in storage (a closet, wrapped) for the past half century. Many KAR88s were bought by the Turks and were changed from a .313 to a .323, but this one has been in my family's possession since my great grandfather returned from WWI.

Anyone know where I should start on the road to restoration? The rifle itself was manufactured in 1891 in Germany and being that it was made before 1898, I do not believe I need to have a permit for it because it's technically an antique. Correct me if I'm wrong or point me in the right direction, please.

2/28/2012 3:06:32 AM

I'm not sure why you'd need a permit for any rifle in NC anyway


And you'll ruin any value it has by restoring it. Old guns are not like old cars.

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2/28/2012 7:31:32 AM

^^depends what you want to do with it. do you want to hang it on the mantle? do you just want to preserve it? do you want to shoot it?

without seeing some pictures or numbers its impossible to know if its worth anything or not. thats not a rare gun by any stretch, so value shouldnt be your first concern anyway.

sounds like its more of a sentimental piece anyway, but i shoot all my grandfathers guns i inherited.

2/28/2012 7:52:34 AM

I'd love to have it up on a mantle, but I'd also like to take it out on the range every now and then (or my older sister's backyard). I'll put some pics up shortly, probably later tonight (it's at home in MA, but I'll get it when my parents move).

From what I've seen from auctions, it'll go for anywhere from $400-$450 which for an "antique" isn't anything, so I'm not too worried about restoring it. What I do know about it: I'm almost positive it was re-bored from a .313 to a .323, so it'll fire 8x57 JS rounds (like a Winchester 8x57 170 Super-X round). I don't believe it's been fired since WW1-20 years after... so at least 70-80 years ago was the last time it was fired. Aside from dust in the receiver & barrel, there isn't any noticeable aging to the wood finish or the steel components. It's also missing an ammo clip, and it's been difficult to find a non-reproduced clip (I've heard the originals work better than the reproductions).

This is the best I can do for now, but the following video is the same rifle (KAR88/GEW88):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Egez2czZc

2/28/2012 8:31:25 AM

slug the barrel and see what you've got. clean it and go shoot it.

2/28/2012 9:04:58 AM

might be worth it to have headspacing checked..

2/28/2012 9:34:04 AM

If you want to slug the barrel, let me know. Lacking an actual 8mm mold, I can shim a .313 mold and make you a slug that would fit a 8mm barrel, if that's in fact what it has. I would be wary of shooting modern ammo in it prior to having it looked over. If it hasn't been mix-matched with different parts or shot very much, I wouldn't worry too much about headspacing. That action isn't going to be incredibly sensitive to relaxed headspace. It would probably be more happy with hand loaded rounds using a black powder substitute like Trail Boss anyway where it wouldn't matter much.

2/28/2012 10:33:46 AM

i agree it would probably be happiest with some weaker handloads.

but i disagree with anything BP-related in this particular gun.

2/28/2012 10:41:14 AM

I've been asked about buying a used revolver. Here's my reply for future info.

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"The biggest thing is you just need to get your hands on it because many people don't know how to inspect a revolver well enough to let you know how the real condition is. It's a lot to type, so just read this thread and let me know if you have questions: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=1430 A couple of things I want to point out that aren't covered in the post: -front to back cylinder play (called endshake) is bad, but it's normal to be able to feel just a tiny bit of endshake. If you can clearly see the cylinder move front to back with your eyes then it's likely too much endshake. -The article doesn't mention forcing cone erosion. The forcing cone is the breech end of the barrel where the bore is actually tapered to allow the bullet to enter the barrel without hanging up. Erosion happens when you shoot too many high pressure rounds, or light weight/high velocity rounds, the B/C gap is too big, you're handloading with inappropriate powders, or a combination of all those. Look at the inner edge of the forcing cone end of the barrel. The edge should be crisp. If it's rounded with little crack-like lines running perpendicular to the edge then it's eroded. If those little erosion lines aren't well defined and run less than a third of the barrel wall thickness then it's ok. If the erosion is 1/3 - 2/3 of the thickness then I'd expect a price drop of maybe $50-75. If the erosion is more than that take $100 or more off the price and if you expect to shoot a lot then plan on bringing it to a gunsmith to have the barrel set back. -Check the forcing cone and frame around the forcing cone for cracks. Don't buy anything with a crack. -Look at the top strap (the frame above the cylinder) and check for top strap cutting ("flame cutting"). The spot on the top strap you want to look at is directly above the barrel/cylinder gap. It's normal to have a small black line right there that's caused by the escaping gasses hitting the top strap. If the line is deep and well defined then it's a sign of excess barrel/cylinder gap or a sign of shooting a shitload of high pressure loads. The spot that is cut is a weak point. I wouldn't buy a gun that's been cut more than 1/32 of an inch deep. If it's cut less than that then I'd expect a price drop. If it's not cut deep enough to catch it with your fingernail then it's a non issue. So that's about it. Look for typical stuff too like damage to the muzzle, holster wear, etc. I guess you could ask him how many rounds he shoots and what kind/weight ammo. If she's shot a few hundred rounds of full power 110gr 357 then I wouldn't even bother looking at the gun unless he's willing to drop the price when you find problems. Low bullet weight magnum loads are the worst for wearing out revolvers. "

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2/28/2012 11:01:01 AM

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"Ok, I'm about to pull my hair out but I'm looking for a loop/strap to secure my rifle to a belt/vest when its sling to the rear. I know they make them but need can't find anything on the interwebz."

How exactly do you want to secure it? Just kinda hanging out of the way?
Do what I do, just go buy some webbing and clips or snaps from REI and make whatever you need. With a little creativity you'll have some custom stuff that works better than what you can buy.

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"looking for a good target shooting (no .22) pistol I was thinking .357 sig thoughts?"

Quote :

"I guess I should have been more clear, im kinda a sniper nut. It started with my mosin went to a .338 and then to another big gun. I kinda like long shooting guns. I want to learn how to shoot long and flat with an auto pistol (I have a colt python)"

I'm with NRR, 357Sig is stupid expensive for target shooting.
You really won't gain much better trajectory with 357 sig vs 9mm anyway so you're better off just learning the trajectory on a cheaper cartridge.

Quote :

"a lot of target shooters use .357 sig don't they?"

No. Target shooters who want more velocity in a 35 caliber use 9x23 or 38 Super.

2/28/2012 11:16:07 AM

I know that in NC you need a permit/CC to buy a pistol even through private sale. How does this affect things like inheriting pistols?

Also, what are the limits on borrowing pistols?

I know that for NFA items, some legal experts have posited that one's NFA items can't even be used or handled by another person even while under direct supervision as that would constitute a transfer. I can't find the link to where I read that but I'm pretty sure it was from a website talking about NFA trusts.

My father-in-law has a few pistols I'd like to borrow for an extended period since he never shoots them and I would like to spend some time at the range with them. I assume that he would carry legal liability for anything I did with them in the case of my borrowing them.

2/28/2012 3:40:37 PM

Inheriting a pistol? Still need a permit if it's going through an estate.

[Edited on February 28, 2012 at 10:34 PM. Reason : ..]

2/28/2012 10:31:46 PM

You can borrow guns with no problem as long as you are legally allowed to posses them. You do not gain ownership just by possession.
NFA items can be used by anybody with the owner/trustees presence.
For inheritance or gift, you must have CHP or get a Pistol Purchase Permit





A compensated pistol can send small pieces of lead or copper flying at high velocities from the ports.
When firing from retention, these small pieces can hit the shooter (good guy) or 'bad guy'.
In my case, they hit the shooter (me). The wounds are very small, and shallow, but ended up bleeding a good bit. Instructors gave me the target with blood splatter and powder burns to take home.
After two days of healing:


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2/28/2012 10:45:30 PM

damn. What gun and what load?

2/29/2012 12:05:34 AM

G23c, 165 grain federal FMJ

2/29/2012 12:50:47 AM

Just when I thought that a compensated Glock 17 was something I'd like to buy.

2/29/2012 1:00:19 AM

I always wondered about that, and how porting affects the rifling and trajectory. decided not to go compensated when I got my g32

2/29/2012 1:04:25 AM

I'm all for gun control.
And before I get flamed, by gun control, I mean:

2/29/2012 4:41:06 AM

from what i read 9x23 kinda died... it was sorta what i was looking for.

everyone shoots 9mm major or .38 super.

They don't like tapered rounds because magazines can't hold as many.

What's a good gun to start with if concealment isn't a priority?
someone's modern 1911 rendition?

I was messing around on inifinity's website and built a 6" barrel comp shooter for only $5500 lol.

is 9x23 worse then 357sig per round ?

I heard 38 super was expensive as hell.


[Edited on February 29, 2012 at 8:04 AM. Reason : .]

2/29/2012 7:58:36 AM