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"We have a shitty team. Enough with the "Fire Everyone" bullshit. Seriously. Our team sucks. Is it that hard to say?"

No shit our team sucks, you fucking faggot. It sucks because of Chuck Amato. You can't sit there with a straight face and say we shouldn't have beaten UNC with all the pieces we have.

[Edited on November 18, 2006 at 8:22 PM. Reason : Especially since they just dusted off last year's game plan.]

11/18/2006 8:21:35 PM

We're talented but our coaching staff doesn't know how to use it effectively. The discipline issue falls back on the coaches also.

11/18/2006 8:23:00 PM

I can sit here with a straight face and say that our O-line is the worst I've ever seen. And that we have great potential in our backfield, yet since the talent on our O-line is so bad, they never have a hole to run through.

Calling me a faggot for stating my opinion about our team? come on man seriously.

Fact is I agree that we need changes, but firing everyone isn't going to do anything. It's the players that are playing badly. Chuck isn't throwing interceptions, and Chuck isn't telling people to line up incorrectly on the line of scrimmage, and Chuck isn't the one not making holes for the running backs.

I'm not trying to defend Chuck, I agree that he's not that great of a coach, but all of the mistakes that I've seen in our losses have been player mistakes.

EDIT: If this were an NFL team they wouldn't be firing Chuck and Trestman, they would be trading out our O-line for people that don't false start and guys that can run block.


[Edited on November 18, 2006 at 8:27 PM. Reason : Arg Twice]

11/18/2006 8:25:20 PM

so...you want chuck to stay?

11/18/2006 8:27:26 PM

Honestly I don't think it makes a difference if he stays or not. If they don't respect someone who coached the same team that a number one draft pick and an incredible quarterback came from then I don't think they'll respect anyone else.

They'll still screw up on the field like they've done week in and week out.

11/18/2006 8:29:31 PM

so....they rack a disiprin? you're saying a change in coaches wouldn't affect anything? ok...

[Edited on November 18, 2006 at 8:35 PM. Reason : they lack discipline....south park reference.]

11/18/2006 8:33:58 PM

http://community.foxsports.com/blogs/Dudski/2006/09/19/Coach_Amato_to_English_Translation


[Edited on November 18, 2006 at 8:53 PM. Reason : ]

11/18/2006 8:34:40 PM

I've stayed away from these threads in the past but now... I give him one more year with this hot shot QB that we apparently got. I forgive him a little because Stone was supposed to be THE MAN.

11/18/2006 9:00:05 PM

fire him

11/18/2006 9:18:16 PM

^^ "I am the man"
-Chuck Amato

For page 14

The Chuck Saga continues...

11/18/2006 9:21:43 PM

[Edited on November 18, 2006 at 9:27 PM. Reason : ]

11/18/2006 9:27:16 PM

I've defended Chuck more than most State fans, but this season has, and especially this loss has killed all support that I had for CTC.

Peace out Chuck!

[Edited on November 18, 2006 at 9:31 PM. Reason : please resign]

11/18/2006 9:31:24 PM

This season has made it very hard for Fowler to continue to make arguements for Chuck to stay, and after that ass-raping of a football game I think a lot of the figures with actual sway in the university will say enough is enough. That was probably the poorest performance I have witnessed in person at a NCSU football game. And the worst part is a lot of the wounds were self-inflicted. It seemed like with every play we were shooting ourselves in the foot and barely trying. That says something about Lee Fowler's standards compared with UNC's if a 1 2-9 coach who was already fired for not being able to win ball games totally destroys our team, yet our coach is OK in his book.........

11/18/2006 9:31:27 PM

Quote :

"Honestly I don't think it makes a difference if he stays or not. If they don't respect someone who coached the same team that a number one draft pick and an incredible quarterback came from then I don't think they'll respect anyone else. They'll still screw up on the field like they've done week in and week out."

Get a MAC coach that does well right now. Someone from a low program hungry to do well. Amato has not done much that no one else couldn't do since Rivers' junior year and the Gator Bowl. College football coaches at mid-level BCS programs today are so spoiled by the fact they get 3 games against easy opponents usually every year so that they can prop up their 3-5 mediocre conference record and still go to a bowl game.

So here is Amato's record against BCS teams, all away games, and bowl games only:

(so remove I-AA, home games against non-BCS conference sides)

2000: 6-4, won Micron PC Bowl
2001: 5-5, lost Tangerine Bowl
2002: 8-3, won Gator Bowl
2003: 6-5, won Tangerine Bowl
2004: 4-6
2005: 4-5, won Meineke Car Care Bowl
2006: 2-7 (this is removing a loss against Akron that was supposed to be a gimme win)

So record against teams that were near our caliber or better in his tenure: 35-35
That record without Philip Rivers: 10-18

ACC Conference Record in his tenure: 25-31
ACC Conference Record without Philip Rivers: 8-16

Making a bowl game in today's college football universe is worthless when someone like Northern Illinois can make a bowl game going 6-6.

If you're going to make the argument that no one can do better, that is fine and it is your opinion. Then when we need to just take the UNC/Duke approach to football and just not give a s*** about the sport except to collect bowl money from other teams at the end of the year, just aim to go 6-6 and call that a good year. Ticket prices will come down and "lifetime seating rights" will become even more a joke cause it's not like people in the future would be in doubt of ever getting a ticket.

We're not an A-school, no one could ever doubt that we are not. But if what Amato is doing this year is the best we can do according to you, then we're not even a B-school either.

(And another thing, all of us are just griping on an internet message board. For God's sakes, we do not have any voice on what happens to Amato! That decision is made by a bunch of rich alumni. Those rich alumni than go to Weisinger-Brown, they tell Lee Fowler what decision he is supposed to make, and either Fowler makes that decision or they then go to the Chanceller Oblinger's mansion and tell Oblinger to fire Fowler. That is how things work in college sports. Rich alumni that give lots of money to the university and use their money donations to make decisions by deciding to not give it to said university anymore. Okay?)

[Edited on November 18, 2006 at 10:58 PM. Reason : ,]

11/18/2006 10:50:51 PM

I said that people should wait til the Carolina game. If people want him fired, I'm not going to berate anyone for it.

Personally, I think he should get one year to turn it around. He hasn't had a quarterback, and the O-line has been awful for the last two years.

Burke came here because of Trestman. Trestman is grooming him to be the heir apparent. Trestman should get one more year.

If they can't improve with a better quarterback and older receivers, improve that defense a bit, and just get that o-line to be marginally decent, then get rid of him.

11/18/2006 11:42:18 PM

Chuck is here to stay. stop this nonsense and back the Pack

11/19/2006 1:09:22 AM

fuck you

11/19/2006 1:24:51 AM

fuck you Earl

11/19/2006 1:25:57 AM

you sir, you are an idiot and a troll

go play in the street

11/19/2006 1:42:01 AM

you first, faggot

11/19/2006 1:43:01 AM

Ok Mike



I think u are hcngay or whoever created hcngay, im pretty sure of it

[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 1:45 AM. Reason : d]

11/19/2006 1:44:28 AM

11/19/2006 1:44:50 AM

^^ you must be proud of yourself, learning how to use the internet and all what with downs and everything working against you

11/19/2006 1:48:06 AM

i see what u did there Mikey

11/19/2006 1:59:05 AM

11/19/2006 2:04:13 AM

11/19/2006 2:13:07 AM

Quote :

"EDIT: I don't go to home games anymore because NC State fans are the shittiest fair weather fans I've ever encountered."

uhhhhh, sounds like you're the fairweather fan......

and you act as if this thread was created because of the unc game.... think again dumbass

11/19/2006 2:14:49 AM

haha. did anybody else get the bob ryan thing?

Quote :

"what if bob ryan told you he was interested in firing chuck finally is that something you might be interested in?"

11/19/2006 2:35:31 AM

f*ck you non-believers, you're about to see chuck at his finest next week!

11/19/2006 2:53:44 AM

going away party!

11/19/2006 3:00:40 AM

If you think Fowler is the problem with firing Chuck, that he wont get it done

Notice Fowlers name isnt on any of the buildings around the football complex and more importantly

it certainly wasnt Fowlers jet who carried him searching for a coach...

its out of Foulups hands

11/19/2006 4:50:53 AM

Reluctantly signed.

Part of me hopes that the final nail goes in the coffin next week, but if we lose to ECU again we'll never EVER hear the end of it.

So here's to 4-8 and Coach Cowher.

11/19/2006 5:30:54 AM

CHUCK HAS TO GO

anyone catch his latest excuse or whine session after the heel game? it was in the durham herald sun this morning and i assume the N&O as well. He states "well, Lou Holtz was 2-2 against them, and he was a great coach, and we were 3-3 against them, and now we're 3-4"

that is awesome chuck. WE DO NOT CARE WHAT ANOTHER COACH DID AGAINST UNC IN ANOTHER ERA WHEN THE TEAMS WERE COMPLETELY DIFFERENT AND COLLEGE FOOTBALL WAS MUCH DIFFERENT. I don't know if Lou Holtz ever lost to them when he had more talent, but you have now 3 TIMES IN A ROW. I cannot take another petty excuse. he has never taken any responsibility for anything that goes on in this program that is negative. he will take credit for the facilities every 5 seconds, but when anything negative comes up he ALWAYS has an excuse.

also, he has to go so we do not fall too far behind carolina. W/ them getting Butch, he could have them rolling next year or the year after at worst and if we keep idiot around and he keeps doing what he is doing it is only going to get worse and it will take us forever to catch up to the Heels in recruiting and all other things when a new coach does come in.

seriously everyone it is time. we have facilities and talent to attract a good coach. unc hadn't even been competetive but in one game this year against DI talent and they whooped us yesterday thoroughly for 3 of the 4 quarters. it is time for a change.

[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 9:29 AM. Reason : .]

11/19/2006 9:19:37 AM

the chargers and rives was a topic on "sports reporters" just a minute ago. they gave philip high praises, and one of the panelists said, "he gave chuck amato, over at nc state, three extra years".

nice. even some no name sports writers on a shitty espn show are picking up on this.

11/19/2006 10:19:01 AM

if i was a recruit i wouldnt want to come to an amato led program, thats why i want him gone. if we dont make changes soon we are going to fall too far behind to recover.

i mean christ, we had our worst loss of the season to a team that is so bad they fired their coach.

11/19/2006 10:46:04 AM

We need M.A. Fox to come back to Raleigh for Thanksgiving......

11/19/2006 10:47:36 AM

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2006/11/19/blood-in-the-water-tudor-dascenzo-fire-away/

SFN article that includes Caulton Tudor and Dascenzo quotes from the News & Observer this morning.

11/19/2006 10:50:26 AM

Quote :

""We have a shitty team. Enough with the "Fire Everyone" bullshit. Seriously. Our team sucks. Is it that hard to say?""

If we had a really shitty team we would not have had the talent to beat BC or FSU..... our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline, and our players making very stupid choices (also could go under lack of discipline but I am not saying all of that is chucks fault).

[Edited on November 19, 2006 at 10:58 AM. Reason : )]

11/19/2006 10:56:06 AM

11/19/2006 12:02:53 PM

Quote :

"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

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"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

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"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

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"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

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"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

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"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

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"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

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"our losses were a result of a few things.... bad play calling, lack of discipline,"

one word....COACHING

11/19/2006 12:13:22 PM

I Hate Chuck

11/19/2006 12:19:53 PM

Fire Chuck....hire Mac Brown... LMAO

11/19/2006 12:34:15 PM

11/19/2006 12:34:57 PM

^

hahahaha holy shit that ref hates some daniel evans

11/19/2006 12:37:21 PM

LOL at those people that say we have a shitty team. We have some tru damn talent all around. We been pretty decent in sending some players to the pro's and they have been producing well and really shoing high caliber talent that shows we produce athletes...

Now whats fucked up is evident. As so many others have said and I totally agree..it comes down to coaching. Yeah, it is the players fucking up on the field with lack of discipline giving us a hundred yards of penalties a game...but that in the end always falls on the coaches laps. Bad play calling...coaches decisions. Many of our games were lost because of holding, late face masks, giving up long 3rd downs b/c of penalties, off-sides and pass inteference. We have a 3 and 1...turns into a 3 and 11. We get other team to 3 and 13, we give them a first down after stopping them. Game in and game out for multiple seasons.

I know we are going to be stuck with him for one more year, but I want him fired. I was pro-amato and I feel he did what he needed to do here, get us some noteriety and face time. Showed we can put some athletes in the league and make some noise.

Now we need a constant leader, a coach that can lead, a coach that can take blame and whip some asses into hard core machines....

Ok...back to studying law...exams coming up


III
&
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11/19/2006 12:37:50 PM

6 in a row chucks gotta go

11/19/2006 12:39:21 PM

2000: 6-4, won Micron PC Bowl phillip
2001: 5-5, lost Tangerine Bowl phillip
2002: 8-3, won Gator Bowl phillip
2003: 6-5, won Tangerine Bowl phillip

Note* phillip rivers was not a recruit of chuck amato

11/19/2006 1:52:52 PM

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2006/11/19/dear-wolfpack-nation-and-other-national-media/
aha.

11/19/2006 2:07:10 PM

He's gone.

11/19/2006 2:15:45 PM

Quote :

"How about lets put the blame where the blame is due. Evans throws interceptions, our offensive line can't run block. Oh and how about the penalties for lining up on the line of scrimmage incorrectly? Something a 7th grader could handle."

well Mr. Football, in case you didnt know, it is the coach's JOB to make sure that this shit does not happen, you fucking moron.

11/19/2006 6:21:18 PM