just got back.

Never really been a fan of hers, but Anne Hathaway...she was fine.

7/21/2012 1:26:39 AM

I liked it better than the Dark Knight. A lot more suspenseful.

Bane was in my opinion the best "super" villain portrayed on screen in all comic book movies. I know everyone loves the Joker and all but he didn't really put all of Gotham at risk of being completely destroyed like Bane, and there wasn't nearly as much of a sense of urgency. Other movie super villains Lex Luthor or Magneto although were portrayed as putting the world in peril just didn't seem to have the same magnitude as Bane.

With Batman fighting Bane I agree that it was silly that Batman kept throwing punches. Batman is supposed to be the one guy who is smarter than everyone and an adapt to any situation. I'd think that after a few minutes of getting his ass kicked he would have tried something else or attempted to escape and deduce a better plan. I'd also think that Batman would see this giant mask on his face and figure that it was probably his weakness.

I liked the portrayal of Catwoman. At first Michelle Pfeiffer's Catwoman outfit was the gold standard for me but I do appreciate the retro throwback to Julie Newmar's costume. Anne Hathaway delivered and was a lot better looking than she has been in her previous films.

Solid work by Joseph Gorden Levitt. I would have liked the Robin reference to be a little more subtle though -- perhaps by revealing his real/full name to be Dick Grayson or Tim Drake or something like that. Although it would have messed up the tone of the movie, part of me was secretly hoping he would find a Nightwing costume or something in the Batcave.

also, lol at Lt. Dangle being the doctor in the hospital.

7/21/2012 1:37:12 AM

I feel the movie was well done for a trilogy. I was slightly disappointed at the lack of "Batman" but I respect the theme and story arch they did with it.

I thought this one tied in very well with TDK and how they used the Dent Act. Maybe I missed but I was curious why he had such a terrible limp & cane (but I buy it).

The Blake twist was nicely done. Was very excited at that.

Bane was a beast and ruthless. He definitely set a pace as a villain that made you believe at any second someone would day for the littlest of reasons. I do agree that his "doom" was too easily done (should have been a bit more epic of a scene)

Very well done! very well done


III

7/21/2012 3:11:56 AM

My opinion is that this was the finale that Gotham deserved.

7/21/2012 3:55:58 AM

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7/21/2012 7:24:49 AM

i still think they should do 1 or 2 more movies with it.. they definitely left it open for more sequels...IMO.. i know Nolan said it was his last one, but someone else could pick it up.

7/21/2012 8:24:19 AM

good luck getting the Nolan posse of actors/actresses to keep going w/ it

7/21/2012 8:27:28 AM

Robin's name was never really "Robin"

anne hathaway made this movie ok, for me

7/21/2012 10:56:25 AM

the ending:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i01_JOZIzHI

hans zimmer had some pretty epic music in these films

7/21/2012 1:46:54 PM

The ending pleased me so much, the ultimate feel good without being too lame. Not sure if this movie is one I can watch over and over again.

Ironman and Batman Begins are the only origin stories I can sit through more then once without squirming. Ironman was just damn good, and Begins had really fast pacing. No clue on how people handled the Spiderman reboot, so I'm really torn on the future batman reboot - it'd almost be nice if they continued with the 'new' Batman, but I don't think that'll happen.

7/21/2012 3:08:30 PM

Good movie, but I liked it the least of the 3. I had some trouble understanding Bane through the first half also.

Also I was a bit annoyed that they pretty much dropped the Gotham and it's above ground public transit from the first movie and went complete NYC

7/21/2012 5:30:40 PM

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"and went complete NYC"

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7/21/2012 5:36:09 PM

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"so I'm really torn on the future batman reboot - it'd almost be nice if they continued with the 'new' Batman, but I don't think that'll happen."

I sort of hope that with the next incarnation of Batman they'll skip an origin story -- just give us an established Batman.

7/21/2012 5:42:51 PM

I would like to see something like a darker live action Mask of the Phantasm

7/21/2012 6:15:10 PM

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"complete NYC"

...and Pittsburgh and London and Newark. And no Chicago, which were where the first two movies were shot.

7/21/2012 7:04:02 PM

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I know it was shot in other cities as well, but there was a pretty heavy emphasis on NYC. They used Manhattan shots on most or all of the panoramic shots. They used the whole bridge and tunnel system. They used the stock exchange and general Wall St area. Also they seemed to completely take out the above ground transit system that his father put in and had a bunch of shots of NYC subway entrances / exits

7/21/2012 7:10:44 PM

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I didn't care for the ending much. It put a bow on things a little too nicely. I think I'd rather Bruce had made the ultimate sacrifice. Also, someone should have told Christopher Reeve all he needed to do was have someone push his protruding vertebrae back in and he would have been dandy. And I concur, a weak ending for Bane.

















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7/21/2012 7:22:59 PM

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Since no one appears to have mentioned it, I thought the plane capturing sequence at the beginning was one of the most amazing movie moments in recent memory. It wasn't very realistic for it to break apart so easily, but otherwise very cool and original.

I also liked the little thing that Bane occasionally does of hanging both arms from his vest collar, which gives him this menacing confidence.

Catwoman has some good one-liners and kept the sultriness in check enough to be taken seriously. That was helped by the lack of gratuitous ass-shots of her in her suit. But I was happy with what I got to see of her.

I miss the lack of connection to the previous movies, but I guess they want to keep it accessible for new viewers.











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7/21/2012 8:07:18 PM

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i don't really get why so many people are saying there wasn't enough connection to the previous films. Batman Begins established the League of Shadows, Ras Al Guhl, and his plan to destroy Gothem, all of which are central to the plot of this one. The movie begins showing the direct consequences of the lie that they had to make at the end of The Dark Knight, and the scarecrow is thrown in for good measure. I too would have liked for there to be some kind of reference to the Joker, but other than that i don't really know what more people wanted in terms of connections to the earlier ones



















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7/21/2012 8:20:07 PM

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7/21/2012 8:26:46 PM

Spoilers (not doing that dumb massive scroll).

I think the whole first 1/3 was terrible. Everything was just so poorly paced.

Also, I nominate the scene for Levitt knowing who Batman was as the worst excuse is cinema history. "I took one look at you and knew you were tortured like me and could be the only person who was the Batman" What. The. Fuck.

Then, we go from Gotham is so clean that you are down to overdue books to seeing a known terrorist in the sewers and deciding that Batman MUST return? Really? You see an international terrorist and your first though is to summon a vigilante from 7 years ago (only HE will do!) instead of a government agency who probably has groups chasing after him?

I hated how in 30 seconds Bane goes from biggest badass on the planet to a mere lackey who gets killed with a single shot.

And lulz at determining the specific decay rate of a material to such precision that you know the exact second it will meltdown. Then proceeding to take this "unstable" device, attach it like a wrecking ball, and smack it into a bunch of things while carrying it out.
How is this device any more dangerous than, say, a nuclear power plant?

Aside from the terrible Robin reference, I thought the ending felt satisfying, though. It was a pretty big mess for a good portion of the movie, though.

/Spoiler

7/21/2012 9:13:33 PM

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lol'd at "ahh what a lovely voice"

7/21/2012 9:34:52 PM

^^^^I guess the first movie came out so long ago that I had forgotten about that.

7/21/2012 10:04:10 PM

^^^ pretty much agree 100%

spoilers, or whatever, but the movies out so idk why you'd be reading this if you havent seen it yet.

writing was mostly bad and nolans batman is still an idiot. he charges in without thinking shit through and gets owned by bane. whatever, thats fine. hes been that way throughout the series so its not that bad i guess. i understand the need for action in an action movie.

the whole thing with the fusion reactor becoming a bomb was so goddamn stupid. it would have made more sense if bane had just slowly smuggled parts of an actual bomb into the city and used that scientist dude to assemble it in the sewers. i know the public is too goddamn stupid to understand fusion vs fission and what it actually takes to make a nuclear bomb, but man its one of my biggest pet peeves.

its made even worse because it was an excuse to get miranda/talia into the story (by having her steal it) and it was just as shoehorned as the rest of her character. even though you dont see the reveal coming at the end, its mostly because miranda doesnt make any sense. why is she seemingly such good friends with bruce that she can show up at his house for a booty call, but he hasnt talked to her for months prior? i guess it was cause he made her ceo? theres no real relationship between them as far as i could tell so the reveal that she's talia doesnt matter. the backstory for both her and bane is very good, but we dont find out about it until the end. too late to care.

as a result we suddenly dont give a shit about bane cause hes just been doing what talia (this chick we dont know anything about up till now) tells him to do. this is good because he just gets owned and is assumed to die off screen. lame way to go for the bad guy of the movie (atleast up until 30 seconds ago).

the stock exchange heist was retarded (heh well these guys broke in and stole some codes that they didnt need because they had batmans prints i guess? well maybe they needed to codes and the prints? in that case wouldnt it be blindingly obvious that the totally fucked options wayne bought at the exact same time were fake?). its only purpose was to get wayne to reveal the location of the reactor which was so fucking stupid anyways.

i think if you ditched some of the dumber ideas and moved stuff around you could probably have made it much better.

good stuff:
Anne Hathaway is super hot and is a good catwoman
I like Joseph Gordon-Levitt and think he was pretty good despite the bad writing at times. i hope he gets more work.
bane is kinda cool up until the end.
teal'c is in it
satisfying ending to the series

re: ending: i rather they hadnt mentioned the robin thing at all and it was just assumed that blake would become the new batman.

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7/21/2012 10:19:15 PM

hated the Bane voice.

I liked the movie a lot more when it first ended. Now that I've had time to process it, I actually think it's going downhill in my eyes.

I give it like a B-.

7/21/2012 10:22:40 PM

the first two were pretty great, but this ones a mess that should have been rewritten or atleast re-edited

7/21/2012 10:29:05 PM

Felt like I needed to see it again to wrap my mind around this massive movie. It definitely fit together better the 2nd time around.

7/21/2012 11:00:48 PM

No matter how many times I see it, I don't think I'll understand how you can heal from a broken back in 2 weeks.

So...

7/21/2012 11:19:28 PM

so... it would be pretty cool to get a Nightwing movie out of this.

7/21/2012 11:28:47 PM

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Just saw it. Really good overall. The villain twist was solid, but let me nitpick a bit......


Who needs stem cell research when you have a rope?

Bane went from premium bad ass murderer to a sympathetic figure (a helpless child's hero) in a matter of seconds, and died like a bitch.

As previously mentioned, future Robin's reasoning for knowing Batman's true identity was absolutely ridiculous.

7/22/2012 1:09:11 AM

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I liked it, but I didn't understand exactly what made Bane so devoted to Talia (And I kind of suspected she was Talia the whole time).

Quote :

"No matter how many times I see it, I don't think I'll understand how you can heal from a broken back in 2 weeks."

It wasn't actually broken, more like dislocated. And I thought it was more like 5 months? That's how long the scientist guy said it would take for the reactor to become unstable and explode.

7/22/2012 1:40:12 AM

A mixed bag, but I enjoyed it. Hathaway was terrific.

As for JGL getting more work, the kid has been on a roll since Brick. It's a slow roll, but there have been no missteps.

7/22/2012 2:54:21 AM

^gi joe was a pretty big miss step, and he's got an action movie coming out soon that focuses on the world of bike messengers that looks pretty shitty. But I do agree, in general he is pretty solid

7/22/2012 3:06:37 AM

No one saw GI Joe or expected anything of it.

My main point was that he's always delivered the goods when called upon.

7/22/2012 3:08:47 AM

^^he's also got looper coming out which looks awesome

7/22/2012 9:53:08 AM

^holy fuck, I concur

7/22/2012 9:55:57 AM

There was one inconsistency that I noticed. Can anyone help me rationalize it?

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So apparently Bruce blew out his knees or whatever and Fox hooked him up with some cyber leg brace to be able to walk without a cane. I assume he was stripped of all his possessions after Bane beat the ever-living fuck out of him and had him carted off to the pit (a clever symbolic reference to the Lazarus Pit imo), which also probably included the brace. So then how is Bruce able to walk around and escape the prison? But even without the brace, wouldn't he be in constant pain as his leg bones are grinding against each other directly?

































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7/22/2012 9:58:54 AM

Saw it Friday night. A couple next to me walked out of it 30 minutes in.

7/22/2012 3:50:05 PM

I just saw it and enjoyed it. The transformation of Bane from ultimate badass to simple thug pawn in seconds was disappointing, followed by his terrible death which demeaned the character, and I too don't understand why talia was able to booty call bruce and later be all "you killed my father prepare to die".

I loved the ending, felt right. Even though the suicide mission would've made for a better story ending, I like that they went with a feel good cap instead.

7/22/2012 5:28:25 PM

A lot of good points already about why it was disappointing.

I thought there were some good moments that harnessed the sense of doom & despair as strongly as the 2nd film did, but overll the plot treated the viewers like idiots. Disheartening considering how smart the first two movies were.

Several examples of this that have been already talked about, for example the whole idiocy of an unstable nuclear core being measured down to the second. But it goes to other little things:

- Is there any more played out trope than the bad guy taking too long to fully spell out every detail of their master plan so that the good guy has time to race and stop them at the last second? (with the ever-present OH CRAP I DROPPED THE THING I NEED GOTTA TRY AND REACH IT and OOo my finger's on the buttoonnn). This is made-for-tv crap. Is this supposed to be an homage to the 60s TV series?

- Giant Wall Street robbery. Trades not suspended/canceled, richest man in the city loses all of his money. Nah, not suspicious.

- In several places it felt like the movie did something smart and then said OK NOW IN CASE YOU MISSED THAT LETS HOLD YOUR HAND. One example, when Batman gives Gordon the line at the end about providing a warm coat to a scared child - cluing him in about who he really was - did we really need to see the actual flashback, when if we know the first thing about Bruce Wayne we'd be able to figure out what he was referring to? This isn't a big deal I guess, but I felt like it happened in several places and just drags down the pacing.

Also, I don't understand the intention behind the atmosphere of Gotham in this movie. Was it supposed to seem like some ordinary NYC from a romantic comedy because it was the final movie? Because all the crime is supposedly stamped out? The scenes just seemed visually warm and light compared to the previous movies. Also people have already mentioned that the city itself is just shown to be Manhattan in the panoramic shots, down to the Freedom Tower under construction. No attempts and making it any different with CGI?

Ah well

7/22/2012 5:51:25 PM

The more I think about it about the death of Bane....

He was already suffering, and didn't want to see the suffering even more. So boom and done.

7/22/2012 7:50:42 PM

Also, there wasn't a huge explosion, but Selina shot him with the same cannon she used to blow a hole in the stack of cars blocking the tunnel. It's not a stretch for Bane to die from one shot by that thing.

7/22/2012 8:37:28 PM

he could also have been killed by someone dropping a grand piano on him

7/22/2012 8:51:21 PM

Just got back. My SPOILER filled gripes









* How the hell did Bruce get back to Gotham? He was broke and the river was frozen so he sure as hell didn't swim.

* So at the end of the court scene with Gordon and team, Bane essentially kidnaps Miranda. Then the VERY next scene she's back with Luscius and Bruce like nothing ever happened. then the scene right after that it's mentioned that Bane has kidnapped Miranda. Totally out of sequence.

* Cops running right at tumblers and armed thugs like it's the civil war? Why not? Batman takes out one tumbler in the Bat. Wanna take out the other 2 real quick? Nah fuck it I will just get out and fight them with my bare hands. Hope I don't get shot.

* Apparently nobody thought Bruce going broke and the stock exchange heist the same day had anything to do with each other. And I doubt Bruce has a loan out on that Lambo. Pretty sure there are bankruptcy proceedings before they start taking shit you actually own.

* Bruce has to walk with a cane but rappelling out of a hospital window is cake mix even before his magic brace.

*Bruce ends up with the girl that essentially lost all his money, got his ass kicked, and indirectly assisted with the destruction of the city including the death of many people. And apparently twenty of screen time is all it takes.

* We get a scene with Blake saying shame on you to Gordon for essentially denying parole to thousands of inmates that would have been ineligible without the Dent act. Then we see these same inmates storming outside Blackgate waving semi-automatic weapons over their head. Seems like the Dent act wasn't such a bad thing.

* Batman can walk on thin ice as it turns out.







Despite all that it was still entertaining. But those were points definitely stood out to me and took away from the movie.

[Edited on July 22, 2012 at 9:01 PM. Reason : Spellcheck my ass]

7/22/2012 8:56:23 PM

Ok. This movie is better than I thought. Lesson learned. The marathon concept ruins the 3rd in a row because you are so tired.

Still has lots of flaws to be picked at. But much more enjoyable when you are in a good mood.

7/22/2012 9:31:28 PM

I was so out of it after the first 8 hours of waiting and movies. I noticed Soooo many more details. I would not recommend the marathon thing to anyone.

7/22/2012 9:39:28 PM

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"One example, when Batman gives Gordon the line at the end about providing a warm coat to a scared child - cluing him in about who he really was - did we really need to see the actual flashback, when if we know the first thing about Bruce Wayne we'd be able to figure out what he was referring to?"

If I hadn't watched the first movie last week, I wouldn't have remembered that Gordon took care of Bruce that night his parents were killed. I think it was an important detail.

Overall, I liked the movie but I have a lot of the same complaints other have mentioned.

*Catwoman's 'debt' to Bane isn't explained.
*Seems like all the characters narrowly escape death. JGL had guns pointed at him at one point and instead of just firing the bad guys are like "Let's walk him over here and THEN kill him" for no apparent reason
*Not enough Batman. I enjoyed the buildup as all the 'pieces' move into place but the part between having his back broken and Wayne returning drags on too long.










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7/22/2012 9:41:52 PM

One gripe I had was with the reason that wayne had burned so much of his companies money. So he develops a fusion reactor and then won't use it because some scientist says he can weaponize it. It must surely be a massive weapon, but then you find out it is a huge 4 megatons, hydrogen weapons we currently have dwarf that. Wtf, it's not like you are going to be giving fusion technology out to anybody. It would basically be the same as building a nuclear reactor

7/22/2012 10:54:30 PM

^ uhh, the most powerful weapons we have in service are less than half that yield

7/22/2012 11:08:07 PM

^ but more powerful ones have been retired, 9 mt one was in us reserves until 2010. the us just prefers smaller warheads. The soviets detonated and weaponized a 50 mt device but it never entered service. And im sure th russians still have high yield weapons in their arsenal

7/22/2012 11:34:59 PM