feels like the Twilight Zone seeing so many people upset about this whole thing

4/30/2011 10:14:43 PM

We scared of almost everything, afraid to even tell the truth
So scared of what you think of me, I’m scared of even telling you
Sometimes I’m like the only person I feel safe to tell it to
I’m locked inside a cell in me, I know that there’s a jail in you
Consider this your bailing out, so take a breath, inhale a few
My screams is finally getting free, my thoughts is finally yelling through

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:46 PM. Reason : the words i never said]

4/30/2011 10:23:35 PM

This has nothing to do with race and screw you very much for suggesting it does

4/30/2011 10:24:56 PM

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"Having played team sports, I know how frustrating it is to guys who show up and pay their dues in practice, only to have some random kid think he deserves not to have to pay his. it's annoying as fuck, and it ultimately hurts the team."

because one of the top 3 QBs to ever play at NC State is just some random kid.

4/30/2011 10:25:58 PM

^^^dude, you'd love pack pride

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason : ]

4/30/2011 10:26:07 PM

^^^^holy crap ban for life.



[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:26 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2011 10:26:19 PM

^x5 I really don't like this guy.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:28 PM. Reason : tbdv]

4/30/2011 10:28:17 PM

Aww snap....someone just went all in

4/30/2011 10:31:15 PM

I can see what he means though. How could P Riv possibly have handled quarterbacking at NCSU when he seemed so focused on his second sport (having children)?

4/30/2011 10:35:15 PM

Ban The E Man. He's either an obvious troll or the biggest idiot on this board.

The statements in this thread have been unreal.

Brosius was pretty highly recruited will be a R-FR and Brian Taylor a true FR.

4/30/2011 10:38:35 PM

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"he makes it sound like TOB told him no matter what, he was going to be 2nd string..."

I'll bet TOB said "if you don't show up to spring and summer practice, you'll be #2." I see nothing wrong with that. if RW's definition of "fair chance to compete" is "showing up 2 weeks before the season starts and goin at it," then fuck him.

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"As a coach, you have to reason with two sport stars to keep their talent."

This is true. But "reasoning" and "showing up whenever the fuck you feel like it, the rest of the team be damned" are two different things.

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"because one of the top 3 QBs to ever play at NC State is just some random kid."

It has the same god damned effect on the team.

4/30/2011 10:39:46 PM

^^^and being so focused on being white?

The E Man gets my nomination for biggest ignorant idiot for that comment

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:40 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2011 10:40:19 PM

burro, wilson was going to show up at the start of fall practice.

This is as bad a decision from a head football coach that I have ever seen.

Do you think Wilson could beat out Glennon, burro?

4/30/2011 10:42:39 PM

that is irrelevant

clearly you have not grasped the fundamental reason this happened

4/30/2011 10:44:38 PM

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"burro, wilson was going to show up at the start of fall practice."

says who? russell or the rockies?

4/30/2011 10:48:04 PM

it wasn't even guaranteed that he was coming back at all, much less if he'd be back in time for the start of the season.

4/30/2011 10:48:51 PM

^No kidding. Possibly a slim chance he even plays football. People up in arms over a correct decision.

4/30/2011 10:50:24 PM

ok Dales, do YOU think Wilson would beat our Glennon? Or for that matter, can Wilson beat out the other backups?

unc sucks, there is a thread on packpride and they posted some tweet about it. Wilson was going to do the same thing he did last year. Show up for the beginning of fall practice.

Bullet, Wilson was coming back. That is why he called TOB, and why we are now hearing about this. Why would Wilson even need a release if he was going to play baseball? (as he has been doing that now for months)

4/30/2011 10:52:01 PM

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"Why would Wilson even need a release if he was going to play baseball? (as he has been doing that now for months)"

to keep his options open if he sucks it up on the diamond this year? to eliminate the distraction of holding the team hostage with his decision?

tob told him if he wanted the starting job, he had to practice with the team. of course i don't blame rw for choosing not to meet that requirement, but it was his choice, and it is what it is.

4/30/2011 10:56:40 PM

i don't believe he would beat out Glennon

Dana Bible revamped the offense to emphasize Glennon's talents, and Wilson would have to re-learn an offense that is not suited for his skills

you seem positive that Wilson was coming back in the fall, but i see no substantiated evidence that this was the case

unless you tapped O'Brien's phone you don't know what they talked about

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 10:58 PM. Reason : packpride tweets do not count as legitimate information]

4/30/2011 10:57:26 PM

I also don't see a lot of programs calling him for his services unless they just simply don't have a QB this year. He would most likely have to beat someone out at another school and in that case, if he honestly, truly was coming in at the beginning of fall practice, he is in the exact same situation he would be in here.

4/30/2011 11:02:58 PM

Dales, fair enough. Do you think Wilson could beat out the other backups?

“I really want the fans, N.C. State alumni and most of all my teammates to know if I had been given an equal opportunity to compete for the starting job, I would not have asked for my release,” Wilson said Saturday in a telephone interview. “I am a competitor.

How about that evidence Dales? Close enough to the situation?

http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/wilson-torn-up-about-leaving-nc-state

“N.C. State means the world to me,” Wilson said. “It’s heartbreaking to me that I had to go.”

^exactly UNC sucks. Only other schools dont have a idiot headcoach and realize that having talent on your team is usually a good thing. Esp a kid with leadership and skills that Russ has.

4/30/2011 11:10:17 PM

Early March:

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"QUESTION: What happens if Russell Wilson comes back? Hard to not play someone that good, but is that fair to Mike Glennon? O'Brien: Russell has made the decision to give major league baseball his full attention. We are excited that he has that opportunity. I personally told Russell that if I was 21 again and had that opportunity, I would be thrilled. With that being said, Russell understands that we have to move forward. There are no guarantees that he's coming back and we HAVE to prepare to move forward without him. Mike Glennon is a very talented young man. It's his turn to take the reins of this football team. We have to re-do the whole passing game. We lost three receivers that had 138 combined catches last year, 12 TDs and averaged 152 yards per game. The question isn't about being fair to Mike it's about being fair to this team and this program. We wish Russell the best - if he comes back, we'll welcome him, but he knows he'll come back as the backup quarterback."

http://www.gopack.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/030711aaa.html

4/30/2011 11:12:48 PM

Theoretically RW doesn't have to use his year of eligibility next year. And theoretically, he doesn't have to transfer.

Just sayin'.

(inb4 "theoretically you're a dumbass")

4/30/2011 11:18:08 PM

A man of his word.

4/30/2011 11:18:22 PM

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" “I really want the fans, N.C. State alumni and most of all my teammates to know if I had been given an equal opportunity to compete for the starting job, I would not have asked for my release,” Wilson said Saturday in a telephone interview. “I am a competitor. How about that evidence Dales? Close enough to the situation? http://blogs.newsobserver.com/accnow/wilson-torn-up-about-leaving-nc-state “N.C. State means the world to me,” Wilson said. “It’s heartbreaking to me that I had to go.”"

Damn, TOB is a fucking loser. Out-thought himself on this decision. You keep the All-ACC QB and you let the unproven player who has never beaten the All-ACC QB transfer.

This is college. Your time with your players in their primes is short. To build a PROGRAM, you need to have the best players in the best spots as much as possible. There isn't time to fuck around and let Mike fucking glennon learn the ropes.

A real coach, leader would have worked with Wilson rather than act like a prima donna little bitch and put down meaningless ultimatums to block the best QB in the ACC from coming back.

Only at a loser school like NC State could the coach spin losing the best QB in the ACC as a good thing. And only at NC State are fans dumb enough to swallow this swill.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 11:27 PM. Reason : ..]

4/30/2011 11:26:09 PM

"We wish Russell the best - if he comes back, we'll welcome him, but he knows he'll come back as the backup quarterback."

Wouldnt the best thing for the team be playing whoever is the best qb?

Someone remind me who said this: "We are a performanced based organization." apparently not

4/30/2011 11:28:08 PM

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" There are no guarantees that he's coming back and we HAVE to prepare to move forward without him.... We have to re-do the whole passing game. We lost three receivers that had 138 combined catches last year, 12 TDs and averaged 152 yards per game. The question isn't about being fair to Mike it's about being fair to this team and this program."

4/30/2011 11:33:47 PM

Ok bullet, do you think Wilson can beat out Glennon or the other qbs?

And since that line, Wilson was calling to say he was coming back to state, he didnt expect to be handed the job, just wanted to compete for it.

4/30/2011 11:38:02 PM

who was he calling?

and i think he wanted to compete for the starting position, if or when he came back in september.

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 11:47 PM. Reason : if or when.... ]

4/30/2011 11:43:25 PM

Jesus skokiaan has reached idiot status as well. What's going on around here?

You want to wait on a QB who is most likely not going to play football and is not practicing and let Glennon with 2 years left walk.

I really don't get the people that think RW should just be allowed to do what he wants. If he wanted to play football, then simple as can be, he should not have signed to play baseball professionally and played for NCSU one more year.

If CJ Leslie decided to join the basketball team in November at the first game, do you think Gottfried would allow that?

4/30/2011 11:44:07 PM

Bullet he called TOB on Friday to tell him he was coming back. TOB said no, so russ asked for the release so he can play football somewhere else.

^Do you think teams should play freshman who show up for the first practice in the fall?

^And Russ played baseball last year too. Showed up for first day of practice in the fall and did pretty well.
[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 11:47 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on April 30, 2011 at 11:48 PM. Reason : .]

4/30/2011 11:46:32 PM

From what I gathered it wasn't that he WOULD come back but that he MIGHT come back.

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:00 AM. Reason : a]

4/30/2011 11:59:31 PM

^read the interview with Wilson, he was coming back.

That is the only reason we are having this discussion NOW vs 2 weeks ago or 1 month ahead. He had made up his mind and was letting the coach know, then told no, so asked for his release.

5/1/2011 12:02:22 AM

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"burro, wilson was going to show up at the start of fall practice. "

great. competition for positions starts at spring practice. he just fucking lost.

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"Damn, TOB is a fucking loser. Out-thought himself on this decision. You keep the All-ACC QB and you let the unproven player who has never beaten the All-ACC QB transfer."

Yep, you let a guy hold your team hostage, fuck up all of your preparation, and then let yourself be assraped and unable to compete the next year because giving in to this prima donna made your other players leave because they were sick of working their asses off and having this dipshit come in without practicing and take over.

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"To build a PROGRAM, you need to have the best players in the best spots as much as possible. "

No, to build a program, you must have fucking players that buy in to the program. Running them off by treating some guys differently than others is a great way to tear a team and a program apart.

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"A real coach, leader would have worked with Wilson rather than act like a prima donna little bitch and put down meaningless ultimatums to block the best QB in the ACC from coming back."

a real player, a LEADER, would have showed the fuck up to practice along with the rest of his god damned team and stopped acting like he was special and didn't have to do the same shit as every one else.

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"Wouldnt the best thing for the team be playing whoever is the best qb? "

part of being the best QB is being able to be a leader. Not showing up to practice when every one else is out there busting their hump is hardly a good way to engender trust among your team mates.

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"Ok bullet, do you think Wilson can beat out Glennon or the other qbs?"

not if he's not there when the competition is taking place, no.

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"Bullet he called TOB on Friday to tell him he was coming back."

That;'s great. too bad TOB asked him for a commitment a LONG TIME AGO. RW didn't give it then, so he lost his chance. that's what a REAL LEADER does. stays to his fucking word and treats every one the same. If some other player on the team decided he didn't want to go to spring practice, and wanted to show up in the fall, what would you say to that player? hmmm?



all of you people asking if Wilson could have beaten Glennon aren't getting the point. Part of the competition is showing the fuck up to practice. RW didn't. So no, he can't beat Glennon

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:08 AM. Reason : ]

5/1/2011 12:04:27 AM

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"great. competition for positions starts at spring practice. he just fucking lost"

Ah, I guess that is why Freshmen never start for football teams. Great point.


And stop acting like Wilson is at home playing Xbox skipping football practice. He is playing professional baseball. He was unsure about his future and gave the coach 4-5 months notice of his return. That is plenty of time. Let Glennon start, but if Wilson beats him out in practice play the best player.

By your standards we should play Imhoff bc he has been to more practices than Glennon. haha

^Wilson showed up for the first day of fall practice last year and beat out Glennon. Why are you scared he does the same thing again this year? OH, bc you didnt know a month or two earlier than you did last year that he was coming back? lol

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:12 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2011 12:10:50 AM

Eye...I want a million dollars that doesn't mean I'm going to get it. Russell said he "wants" to come back...that doesn't mean he is and it doesn't mean the Rockies were going to let him. It was and is still undetermined.

And Russell knew coming in last year he had the starting job. TOB wasn't giving it to him this year because of the changes we were going to be making. He was told upfront his options and the results of his choices.

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:18 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2011 12:14:24 AM

^^not trying to get involved in your guys fight here, but it isn't uncommon for freshman to attend spring practices when possible, and they will def be at all camps and practices during summer.

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:16 AM. Reason : moar ]

5/1/2011 12:16:28 AM

^^ok man. It would be in our best interest if he doesnt play football next season for another team. That will only make us look like a joke.

However, it is clear that he wants to play football and we told him no. Why else would you get the release and why now? What harm is there in going on like Wilson wasnt returning and when he shows up he competes for a position? Just like countless freshmen do every year.

^you do realize that the "freshmen" im referring to would be Sr. in high school at the spring game.
[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:20 AM. Reason : .]

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:20 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2011 12:19:35 AM

That would be how Rivers won the job...graduated early and started in the spring.

5/1/2011 12:21:27 AM

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"Ah, I guess that is why Freshmen never start for football teams. Great point."

or, it starts as soon as the person is available and able. RW is fucking available right now. he didn't show the fuck up. he lost.

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"And stop acting like Wilson is at home playing Xbox skipping football practice. He is playing professional baseball."

And, he's not at practice. He's able to be, and he's not.

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"He was unsure about his future and gave the coach 4-5 months notice of his return. "

Awww, gee, how sweet of him. Allow us all to bow down to RW and thank him for his kindness.

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"By your standards we should play Imhoff bc he has been to more practices than Glennon. "

No, not really. Both have been to all practices they were eligible for, both are competing, and Glennon is winning. Wilson, meanwhile, ISN'T AT PRACTICE, and he is able to be. Nice try.

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"Wilson showed up for the first day of fall practice last year and beat out Glennon. Why are you scared he does the same thing again this year? OH, bc you didnt know a month or two earlier than you did last year that he was coming back?"

Maybe because we set up the whole fucking system for someone else? Maybe because Glennon has actually been showing the fuck up? Maybe because the team will respect a guy who shows the fuck up to practice more than a guy who sweeps in whenever it is fucking convenient?

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"It would be in our best interest if he doesnt play football next season for another team. That will only make us look like a joke."

why, because we are jealous mother fuckers? what a bullshit line.

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"However, it is clear that he wants to play football and we told him no"

WAAAAAAH!!!! HE WANTED TO PLAY BUT DIDN'T DO WHAT HE WAS SUPPOSED TO DO!!! IT'S NOT FAIR!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!! He didn't say he wanted to play when it mattered. He didn't come to practice when it mattered. Now, it doesn't fucking matter.

^^^ this

5/1/2011 12:24:55 AM

Why would we be a joke? Because we moved on from a part time QB that was good enough in a weak ass ACC conference?

5/1/2011 12:26:06 AM

Did Moose get to campus early? The other freshman that started last year?

Im not sure I remember TA graduating high school early to get to spring ball.

I know you see the larger point. The number of kids that graduate HS early to make spring ball are low. It does put them at a big advantage. But after being at state for 4 years, I doubt it would have greatly helped our All ACC qb that much. But hey, ill go along with you. Lets say it is critical. Great, so bring him in and let him improve in practice. If he is better than everyone else, play him.

5/1/2011 12:27:45 AM

it will be very hard to watch russ play elsewhere if it comes to that...but TOB knows what he's doing...and he did the right thing here. 80+ other guys are doing what they committed to do for the coaches and the school and they deserve continuity and 100% leadership from their (would have been) only returning captain.

Best of luck Russ...I'd rather you just sign w/ an NFL team and move on. You don't want to play for another school...no one loves you like we do...just move on.

Also anyone who thinks TOB should be fired or is an idiot needs to think about what they are saying. He's in an impossible position. How can your other QBs trust you if you are going to let RW keep doing what he's doing?

I just wish Russell wasn't such a damn good kid and graduate in 3 years...this wouldnt be a problem if he was normal

^Moose didnt' start till midseason genius (Dean Haynes started at least 3 or 4 games IRCC)...he earned it through his play during games.





[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:39 AM. Reason : df]

5/1/2011 12:31:46 AM

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"Im not sure I remember TA graduating high school early to get to spring ball."

haha, you bring up EXACTLY what TOB is trying to prevent: a guy that thinks he is better than everyone else and thus doesn't have to follow the rules.

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"But hey, ill go along with you. Lets say it is critical."

Being at spring practice doesn't necessarily make you a better player. No one is saying that you have to come to spring practice in order to be a good player. Rather, people are saying that the competition begins at spring practice. And guess what? RW aint fuckin there.

But, it does show your level of commitment to the team. RW isn't there. Ergo, he's not as committed as TOB wants him to be. You are hearing RW say "I wanted to compete for the job," but what you haven't heard is whether TOB told him to be at spring and summer practice in order to be able to compete. You are only getting one side of the story, and I'd be willing to bet my last ass crack that TOB told him what he had to do in order to be able to compete for the starting job and that it included coming to spring and summer practices. RW didn't do that, and he doesn't want to do that, yet he wants to be able to compete. FUCK HIM

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 12:38 AM. Reason : ]

5/1/2011 12:36:50 AM

Ok, lets assume that TOB said just that. That Wilson had to be at spring ball. My question is WHY? It was ok last year that he missed it. He showed up at fall practice and won the job. Why the difference?

5/1/2011 12:40:47 AM

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"How can your other QBs trust you if you are going to let RW keep doing what he's doing? "

lol

5/1/2011 12:52:04 AM

what makes you think it was OK that he missed it last year? If you ask me, RW was a little off last year compared to his previous year.

or, maybe TOB saw that letting him do that was a bad idea and decided he wasn't going to allow it again. Maybe TOB saw the effect it had on the team and cohesiveness and decided that shit wasn't worth it. you've got this crazy idea that the ends justify the means, and it just aint fuckin true. Show up to practice and compete for the job. Don't, and don't.

5/1/2011 1:00:23 AM

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"I can see what he means though. How could P Riv possibly have handled quarterbacking at NCSU when he seemed so focused on his second sport (having children)?"

This is not really apropos of anything, but Rivers actually did ask Amato for permission before getting married.

Don't know that he wouldn't have done it anyway if Amato said no, of course.

[Edited on May 1, 2011 at 1:09 AM. Reason : .]

5/1/2011 1:09:06 AM

No one reads 48

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" At this level, the one position you can't compete over with a proven and established starter and moderately similar level backup is QB. ESPN told me so. Wiith the differences between Glennon and Wilson's play styles, their play books are completely different. You can't have two QB's trying to lead the team. That would be too detrimental to team chemistry, and unless one player far out performs the other (Wilson to Beck) you can't have that position constantly in flux."

5/1/2011 1:15:17 AM