twitter reports are always conflicting. Saudis saying they shot down a scud, people on the ground saying it felt like a meteor strike or an earthquake, Yemen claiming they targeted an airfield even though SCUDs have shit accuracy at that distance and you're basically just lobbing explosives at the Saudi capital.

2/5/2017 8:50:51 PM

LOL do you know how far Riyadh is from the Yemeni border with Saudi? It would take a Scud quite a long time to reach Riyadh. Saudis have loads of Patriots and they would have shot it down long before it reached Riyadh, as they have before many times in the last couple of years.

2/6/2017 4:16:28 AM

So a US congressman just admitted that the US strategy is to attack Iran through ISIS. We should be investigating the collusion with ISIS instead of Russia. Smoking guns all over the place.

https://www.google.com/search?q=dana+rohrabacher&oq=dana+roh&aqs=chrome.0.0l4j69i57j0.4846j0j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8#q=dana+rohrabacher&tbm=nws

6/13/2017 12:13:48 AM

It definitely seems like the Syria strategy has been refocused to focus on Iran than ISIS.

6/20/2017 11:02:11 AM

Anything you do to affect regime change in Syria you have to deal with Iran. They are half the forces on the regimes side.

6/20/2017 11:21:56 AM

^^^

Quote :

" In terms of his positions, Rohrabacher voted to repeal Obamacare,[3] denies global warming,[4] is a staunch opponent of illegal immigration,[5] and favors the legalization of marijuana.[6] In foreign policy, he supported withdrawing U.S. troops from Afghanistan,[7] called Trump to punish Turkish President Erdogan on embassy violence,[8] sided with Russia in the Russia–Georgia war, supported the annexation of Crimea in 2014[9] and supports cooperating with Russia in Syria[10] to the extent that House majority leader Kevin McCarthy said allegedly joking that Vladimir Putin pays both Donald Trump and Rohrabacher.[11] He was warned in 2012 by the FBI that Russian spies may have been trying to recruit him to act on Russia's behalf, after he met with a member of the Russian foreign ministry privately in Moscow.[12] Following the ISIS terrorist attacks in Tehran on June 7th, 2017, in which 17 innocent civilians were killed, he suggested that the attack could be viewed as ‘a good thing', and surmised that President Trump might have been behind the coordination of this terrorist attack.[13]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dana_Rohrabacher

/credibility

6/20/2017 2:44:58 PM

Bump for Trump allegedly wanting to torpedo the nuclear deal.


FYI the goal here isn't an outright war with Iran, so much as it is to provoke Iran into cranking up Hezbollah and Hamas terror attacks across the Middle East (and perhaps further). Conservatives need scarey muslims.

7/18/2017 1:03:33 PM

so Republicans are responsible for scary muslims, and not scary muslims themselves?

7/18/2017 2:09:25 PM

They're responsible if they purposefully provoke them. Perhaps I should have said the "Intent is to provoke Iran into cranking up hamas and hezbollah?"

7/18/2017 6:02:00 PM

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/07/21/trump-assigns-white-house-team-to-target-iran-nuclear-deal-sidelining-state-department/amp/

Trump is nuts. Seems like his approach is to pick a version of reality he wants to believe and bend facts to match this delusion.

Mad at Sessions for doing the right thing and recuse, mad at tillerson for acknowledging Iran as being compliant. This is a very Cheney approach to foreign policy.

7/21/2017 9:06:17 PM

Can someone give me the TLDR on the Iran nuke deal as well as why Trump wants to disband it so ardently?

I spend a lot of time reading about Russia/Eastern Europe but know almost nothing about Iran.

10/13/2017 6:51:40 PM

because if obama did something it's bad

10/13/2017 11:58:41 PM

i honestly can't tell if it's because he hates obama or if the Russia collusion story is 100% true and he's just doing everything he can (on Russia's behalf) to split us from all of our allies

but on the real, i don't even know what the deal entails

10/14/2017 12:22:00 AM

It’s Obama. He is still really butthurt over the correspondents dinner. It hurt his thimble sized dick self and he will do anything to destroy his legacy country and American people be damned.

Russia is not happy about decertification I’m sure..

[Edited on October 14, 2017 at 7:21 AM. Reason : X]

10/14/2017 7:21:14 AM

H.R.1191 - Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/1191/text

Verification and monitoring in the Islamic Republic of Iran in light of United Nations Security Council resolution 2231 (2015)
https://www.iaea.org/sites/default/files/gov2017-35.pdf

10/14/2017 3:19:34 PM

So basically, the Secretary of State says whether Iran is complying or not. Then the President also says whether he thinks Iran is complying or not and has to prove why he thinks one way or the other.

Did Trump provide any explanation at all or did he just say he isn't certifying it?

10/15/2017 4:13:04 PM

- trump uses Kushner to work with bin salman (the progressive Saudi letting women drive and stuff) to try to seize power in Saudi Arabia
- MBS (bin salman) closes border with Yemen to thwart houthi rebels
- MBS accuses Iran of supporting Houthis
- This is considered an act of war
- US backs SA In war against Iran

Looks like SA is asking for international cooperation in resolving the conflict with Iran, I don’t think this will lead to war, but maybe... at the minimum grounds to reinstate sanctions on Iran

This assumes MBS is able to hold on to his newly seized power— seems really tenuous but i don’t know enough about SA

I’m thinking this is more volatile and dangerous for America than the North Korea situation. I can’t imagine this helps with oil prices too

11/6/2017 1:30:38 AM

At least we are fighting on ISIS side in one country

11/6/2017 2:05:55 AM

https://twitter.com/lisang/status/926981556815781888

Quote :

"NYT strongly implying that Trump conspired w Prince Mohammed bin Salman to have his [Trump's] rival Prince Alwaleed arrested. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/04/world/middleeast/saudi-arabia-waleed-bin-talal.html "

Newer article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/world/middleeast/saudi-crown-prince-purge.html

11/6/2017 2:54:00 AM

Haley was parading a missile casing around today implying Iran is amassing weapons

They're clumsily trying to lay the groundwork for making the case for a war

Tillerson has been going back and forth publicly about North Korea

Meanwhile Trump is calling Putin directly, and being tightlipped about what they're planning

12/16/2017 2:51:33 AM

We need a government (Russia?) to help us start a popular organic, grass-fed uprising in the US. I wonder how many US taxpayer dollars went into this uprising.

1/2/2018 3:11:57 PM

The media is completely lying about these protests. Its a yearly protest. Its not a new thing and the signs literally say the opposite of what the MSM is reporting. Its not about Trump its the same thing that has always happened. They are trotting out war criminal john bolton to say the same thing. They didn't even both to hire new people from last time.
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/01/01/john-bolton-trump-us-goal-should-be-regime-change-iran
Pictures are being used from Bahrain. Fake news is so lazy.

Yall bought Iraq and Syria and now yall are buying the Iran propaganda.

1/3/2018 12:38:10 AM

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=105001643636917&id=100023812444427


cherokee and anyone else who doesn't know about the propaganda/military industrial complex need to see this

[Edited on January 4, 2018 at 2:57 AM. Reason : already happened]

1/4/2018 2:49:59 AM

Just to be clear, I never once supported the Iraq 2003 war and don't see any reason for war with Iran (the nuclear deal we have with them is actually working).

I also don't see a need for an outright war with North Korea either, but would understand one if it happened considering what they do to their citizens.

[Edited on January 4, 2018 at 8:47 AM. Reason : a]

1/4/2018 8:46:15 AM

He lives in an alternate reality if he thinks most of us were gung-ho about Iraq and Syria. There have been countless threads and posts criticizing Obama’s foreign policy specifically.

Or he’s Earl and he’s trolling.

1/4/2018 9:19:59 AM

Yep.

The only intervention I ever argued for was in Ukraine but I completely understand why Obama didn't do it. I think it's one of his biggest failures but I totally get why he didn't do it.

1/4/2018 10:18:27 AM

Quote :

"Just to be clear, I never once supported the Iraq 2003 war and don't see any reason for war with Iran"

but you were just affirming your trust in the media the other day? Which is it?

Quote :

"but would understand one if it happened considering what they do to their citizens."

Iraq was the same story and of course you were against it after everyone else decided they were against it but you are ready to buy in again with a different country. Evidence that you can be manipulated by the media.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anfal_genocide#The_campaign
These events still happened right? So what changed? Why was Iraq a bad idea?

Quote :

"The only intervention I ever argued for was in Ukraine. I think it's one of his biggest failures but I totally get why he didn't do it."

So you wanted to start world war 3 over a democratic accession with overwhelming popular support all because the media told you a different narrative. More evidence.

Quote :

"He lives in an alternate reality if he thinks most of us were gung-ho about Iraq and Syria. There have been countless threads and posts criticizing Obama’s foreign policy specifically."

I never said "most" i said "cherokee and anyone else...". Double check on that and I still don't see many people speaking out against Iraq and Syria. I'd characterize the mood as indifferent at best (except opeii and a few other occasional posts). The Russia connections, trump, and GOP threads are the only ones that are really active outside of me.

[Edited on January 4, 2018 at 5:13 PM. Reason : he said obamas biggest failure was letting a bunch of russians join russia without starting ww3]

1/4/2018 5:08:09 PM

You guys got hardcore earl'd

1/4/2018 7:48:33 PM

Yea I'm done debating the media manipulation and deep state conspiracy stuff. It's ridiculous at this point. The "democratic" secession of Crimea is hilarious sounding to me.

[Edited on January 5, 2018 at 6:21 PM. Reason : a]

1/5/2018 6:18:39 PM

Its history.

Quote :

" Supreme Council declares the Republic of Crimea to be an independent, self-governing entity, then holds a referendum on the status of Crimea on 16 March, which results in a majority vote to join the Russian Federation.[9]"

Quote :

"The Treaty on Accession of the Republic of Crimea to Russia was signed between representatives of the Republic of Crimea (including Sevastopol, with which the rest of Crimea briefly unified) and the Russian Federation on 18 March 2014 to lay out terms for the immediate admission of the Republic of Crimea and Sevastopol as federal subjects of Russia and part of the Russian Federation.[175][176] It was ratified by the Federal Assembly by 21 March."

Quote :

"On 24 March, the Ukrainian government ordered the full withdrawal of all of its armed forces from Crimea.[194] In addition, the Ministry of Defense announced that approximately 50% of the Ukrainian soldiers in Crimea had defected to the Russian military."

But the west only like democracy when its convenient to their goals. Anytime a referendum doesn't go there way they just say the people are wrong and the referendum is illegal.

And taking you don't know the recent history, I doubt you also know the longer term history of Crimea. My question was why didn't you know about any of the history or details of the events you were so passionate about starting ww3 over?

[Edited on January 5, 2018 at 8:14 PM. Reason : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation#Crimean_status_referend]

1/5/2018 8:14:27 PM

Quote :

"The parliament also voted to hold a referendum on greater autonomy set for 25 May. The troops had cut all of the building's communications, and took MPs' phones as they entered.[110][111] No independent journalists were allowed inside the building while the votes were taking place.[111] Some MPs said they were being threatened and that votes were cast for them and other MPs, even though they were not in the chamber.[111] Interfax-Ukraine reported "it is impossible to find out whether all the 64 members of the 100-member legislature who were registered as present at when the two decisions were voted on or whether someone else used the plastic voting cards of some of them" because due to the armed occupation of parliament it was unclear how many MPs were present.[116] The head of parliament's information and analysis department, Olha Sulnikova, had phoned from inside the parliamentary building to journalists and had told them 61 of the registered 64 deputies had voted for the referendum resolution and 55 for the resolution to dismiss the government.[116] Donetsk People's Republic separatist Igor Girkin said in January 2015 that Crimean members of parliament were held at gunpoint, and were forced to support the annexation.[117] These actions were immediately declared illegal by the Ukrainian interim government.[118]"

Quote :

"The referendum was held despite the opposition from the Ukrainian government. Official results reported about 95% of participating voters in Crimea were in favour of Russian annexation of Crimea.[160] The results of referendum were questioned;[161] another report by Evgeny Bobrov, a member of the Russian President's Human Rights Council, suggested the official results were inflated and only 15% to 30% of Crimeans eligible to vote actually voted for the Russian option.[37][162] The means by which the referendum was conducted were widely criticised by foreign governments and in the Ukrainian and international press, with reports that anyone holding a Russian passport regardless of residency in Crimea was allowed to vote.[163] After the OSCE refused to send observers Russia invited a group of observers from various European far-right political parties aligned with Putin, who stated the referendum was conducted in a free and fair manner.[164][165]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation_of_Crimea_by_the_Russian_Federation

Last post I'm going to make about this stuff. Your default position apparently is that any single thing said or reported in the United States automatically renders it fake, misleading or propaganda. That is not a rational nor is it a true and verifiable statement. Starting a debate from that position renders the debate pointless. The run-up to Iraq 2003 was different than Iraq 1990, different than Afghanistan 2001, different than Korea now, different than Iran now and different than Ukraine would have been in the 2014-2015 time frame.

If you cannot recognize what happened in Crimea, particularly surrounding the "democratic vote," then you are simply such an American apologist that you have lost all sense of what is going on in this world.

So at this point, you may continue regarding RT and North Korean government news as truthful sources. The rest of us, or actually I'll just speak for myself, I will continue gathering information from the myriad number of news organizations we have while reading books (oh god, so much propaganda!) and pulling the truth out where it can be found and ignoring the money-driven aspect with respect to pundit shows.

[Edited on January 6, 2018 at 12:56 PM. Reason : a]

1/6/2018 12:54:37 PM

I'm not going to debate you. I'm just going to ask you some questions to try and clarify what you think but you have misinterpreted my positions.

Quote :

" Your default position apparently is that any single thing said or reported in the United States automatically renders it fake, misleading or propaganda. "

This is not true. Most of my news comes from the United States. I don't like absolutes. I think you are the one taking this default position by saying any thing on RT or North Korea is fake. Is that true?

Quote :

"Starting a debate from that position renders the debate pointless."

I think you misunderstood my position. My position is that ALL sources have some sort of bias. Think about it. What kind of organization would work to destroy their own self interest?

Hypothetically speaking, what kind of company would hire entire teams of people to knowingly go out there hurt their bottom line?

No company is in business with the goal of losing money and no government is in power with the goal of losing power. Don't you think those are safe assumptions?

Quote :

"If you cannot recognize what happened in Crimea, particularly surrounding the "democratic vote," then you are simply such an American apologist that you have lost all sense of what is going on in this world."

Of course it didn't happen organically. Of course Russia orchestrated it but apparently, they orchestrated our democratic election as well. Thats just how things go. There is power behind movements. That doesn't change the fact that Crimea is ethnically Russian.

Quote :

"So at this point, you may continue regarding RT and North Korean government news as truthful sources."

No I don't. They post true stories and they post fake stories. They have a pro-government bias and I know that going in just like I know about corporate biases. I will say this. RT had some of the best reporting on the less publicized DAPL protests. Why? because its in their interest to show oppression in America. Did that make it fake? no, because there IS oppression happening in america but the american media didn't report it at all initially so RT, along with far left news sources and social media from people on the ground was all i had.

Quote :

"and ignoring the money-driven aspect with respect to pundit shows."

So you think pundit shows are the only money-driven aspect of MSM? That would explain a lot.

[Edited on January 7, 2018 at 3:37 PM. Reason : you don't have to make up negative stories. you can just omit leave out positive stories.]

1/7/2018 3:34:02 PM

Warmongering genocidal bloodthirsty barbarians doing what they do best

Lobbyist Says Israel Should Create A 'False Flag' To Start A War With Iran
http://www.businessinsider.com/top-researcher-suggests-israel-get-nastier-with-iran-sink-sub-illicit-false-flag-2012-9

Video doesn't exist on YT anymore, but can be seen here:
https://twitter.com/S_Saeen/status/949672429546287105

Yes, I know this is from 2012, but it is highly pertinent to the current state of affairs, and lizards such as him have always abounded and schemed in the background... I bet there is like 10 times as many now.

This has been planned for a long time, at least since 9/11. I am sure most of y'all are familiar with Wesley Clark's expose on that? If not:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rz5fZziMWEE

1/11/2018 3:57:29 AM

we'll probably attack with our new F-52s

1/11/2018 2:00:19 PM

April 11 - Bolton becomes National Security Advisor
April 30 - Israel bombs Iranian troops in Syria. Later that evening, After meeting with Pompeo, Netanyahu gives some shitty presentation about Iran’s nuclear program.
May 1st - Pompeo sworn in as SOS. Whitehouse press makes a “clerical error” regarding whether Iran “has” or “had” a weapons program.
..........
May 12 - Trump recertifies the Iran deal?

5/1/2018 6:47:06 PM

We need to organize in advance so we can be ready to shut the economy down with protests if they move towards a war with iran.

5/1/2018 7:45:00 PM

"clerical error"? only if it means "we like to suck netanyahoo's dick every chance we get"

5/2/2018 3:10:29 AM

Which country is this:

-Has displaced 70% of the ethnic minority to refugee camps, allowing the ethnic majority to take their homes
-Walls off portions of the country, enforcing ethnic boundaries
-Kills protestors (including children) on a regular basis
-Terrorizes neighboring countries
-Has a functional nuclear weapons arsenal

5/2/2018 10:55:31 AM

5/2/2018 12:08:37 PM

what? why aren't we removing this terrorist, genocidal regime from power?

[Edited on May 2, 2018 at 12:22 PM. Reason : .]

5/2/2018 12:21:59 PM

5/2/2018 12:28:42 PM

idk why you're rolling your eyes

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/palestinians/fifth-week-of-gaza-march-of-return-protests-to-begin-1.6033006

5/2/2018 1:57:07 PM

because it's such a tired and predictable whataboutism response

5/2/2018 2:00:58 PM

it's not though. it's showing hypocrisy in their own argument for pushing several wars in the middle east.

5/2/2018 2:07:29 PM

Yea, Israel sucks. And it’s probably about to get worse.

It seems they are purposely trying to provoke Iran in Syria. Clearly, Netanyahu thinks he can sweet talk Trump into coming along (unless they both go to jail first).

We are fucked.

5/2/2018 7:09:22 PM

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/07/us/politics/trump-announce-withdraw-us-iran-deal.html

Seems likely at this point trump will leave the Iran deal

Would be ironic that as North Korea denuclearizes (allegedly— no denuclearization has happened yet) Iran REnuclearizes

I wonder if the other signatories would just re-sign the deal without the US? Basically what happened with TPP. Would Iran not be happy trading with Europe in exchange for not developing nuclear weapons?

I highly doubt the trump admin has any plan— his own advisors are telling him leaving the deal is a bad idea, it seems this is about trumps ego.

I don’t think Iran will want to escalate to war, but what are the outcomes here ?

5/7/2018 10:33:40 PM

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/four-ways-trump-could-dump-the-iran-nuclear-agreement/

5/7/2018 10:48:48 PM

Of course Trump has no plan aside from “not Obama.”

I’ve read a few pieces about Iran continuing with the deal with the EU if they all agree together to proceed with deal. Basically wait out the Trump storm.

5/8/2018 7:51:09 AM

Congrats, Bibi. You finally found your mark.

A PowerPoint presentation and not understanding past and present tense confuses POTUS.

5/8/2018 2:28:24 PM

Good breakdown of why this is really dumb from multiple angles:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/991758503340576768.html

And after reading that, read this to see how Democrats will inadvertently push war propaganda:

https://twitter.com/jonfavs/status/993886227832045569

Also this is funny as hell:

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/993949377940066304

Quote :

"President Trump, after lobbying by Israel (around 200 nuclear warheads), has announced that the US (6,800 warheads) is pulling out of the Iran (zero warheads) nuclear deal. The leaders of UK (215) warheads, France (about 300) and Germany (60 US warheads) say still staying in."

[Edited on May 8, 2018 at 4:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/8/2018 4:29:06 PM