MrLuvaLuva85 All American 4265 Posts user info edit post |
great game...tough loss but still so much more exciting to watch...we make a lot of mistakes but not as much in years past 11/30/2011 9:42:33 PM
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DROD900 All American 24640 Posts user info edit post |
I really wish CJW wouldve made that dunk 11/30/2011 9:42:57 PM
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cali_j2004 All American 3724 Posts user info edit post |
thats not fair i guess.. he practically carried us
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[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 9:44 PM. Reason : ] 11/30/2011 9:43:07 PM
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gunzz IS NÚMERO UNO 68205 Posts user info edit post |
this thread is full of ![](images/rolleyes.gif) 11/30/2011 9:44:06 PM
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HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
Never one to blame the refs, but Earl Walton:
Quote : | "@statefansnation same ref barred from the big east tournament after that St Johns game." | ![](images/mad.gif)
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 9:45 PM. Reason : ,] 11/30/2011 9:45:18 PM
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thegoodlife3 All American 39108 Posts user info edit post |
that literally has nothing to do with tonights game at all
and he wasn't even the one to make that call 11/30/2011 9:48:21 PM
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willembahh All American 2378 Posts user info edit post |
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/news/story?id=6207902
regarding mr walton 11/30/2011 9:52:50 PM
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Beethoven86 All American 3001 Posts user info edit post |
I think this sums up my feelings on the game:
![](http://media2.newsobserver.com/smedia/2011/11/30/21/50/18XT6E.Em.156.jpg) 11/30/2011 9:53:50 PM
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BlackJesus Suspended 13089 Posts user info edit post |
#3 SUCKS SEND HIM BACK TO CALI 11/30/2011 9:54:15 PM
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amac884 All American 25609 Posts user info edit post |
how lazy can we possibly be with passes? so frustrating 11/30/2011 9:54:29 PM
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fenway All American 3135 Posts user info edit post |
I'd really like to see DeThaey and TBDV get in some over Howell if he's gonna be that ineffective. Even in better shape he looks like he gets gassed way too quickly. 11/30/2011 9:55:52 PM
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synapse play so hard 60926 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "also SOMEBODY has to step up and be a three point shooter other than wood, looking at you johnson" |
good luck. he's 6 for 22...but his 1 for 6 performance against asheville might be skewing that some 11/30/2011 9:55:54 PM
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aaronian All American 3299 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I blame the ferret-eyed fuggly Zeller family for coming over here and fagging up our damn arena with their rodent filth." |
11/30/2011 9:56:07 PM
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DoeoJ has 7062 Posts user info edit post |
way more indiana fans there than i thought there'd be.
and one who was loud at the beginning and very end for obvious reasons. 11/30/2011 10:00:21 PM
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ncsuftw1 BEAP BEAP 15126 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Crean reminds me of Dwight Schrute" |
dude, seriously. i was sitting right behind their bench, and did a double take the first time I saw him. he looks identical to him from the side/behind 11/30/2011 10:00:47 PM
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ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "I'd really like to see DeThaey and TBDV get in some over Howell if he's gonna be that ineffective. Even in better shape he looks like he gets gassed way too quickly." |
This. TDT looks good and Vandy would have at least altered shots. 11/30/2011 10:01:06 PM
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cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
CJ Williams is so bad it hurts to watch. I closed my eyes a lot.
Still can be a tournament team. 11/30/2011 10:08:53 PM
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tommy wiseau All American 2624 Posts user info edit post |
too many Painter jumpers down the stretch 11/30/2011 10:10:56 PM
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BanjoMan All American 9609 Posts user info edit post |
This loss is hard bc zo played so well. Also, painter should not be our go to jump shooter.
Also that comment about zeller. 11/30/2011 10:12:04 PM
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JT3bucky All American 23187 Posts user info edit post |
turnovers killed us first half
defense sucking it up killed us 2nd half as well as taking early shots. 11/30/2011 10:14:56 PM
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synapse play so hard 60926 Posts user info edit post |
where was vandy tonight? 11/30/2011 10:14:57 PM
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ActionPants All American 9877 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "@Rich1Howell: Worst game I ever played. My fault" |
11/30/2011 10:16:50 PM
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The E Man Suspended 15268 Posts user info edit post |
why do we let the players tweet? 11/30/2011 10:18:47 PM
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dmspack oh we back 25276 Posts user info edit post |
Tough loss. I honestly think we're the better team but a few times we just shot ourselves in the foot and IU took advantage. At least we've still got a few OOC chances to get some quality wins. 11/30/2011 10:27:05 PM
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cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
CJ Williams = CJ Wilson on defense ![](images/eek.gif) 11/30/2011 10:30:39 PM
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Cubbie03 All American 513 Posts user info edit post |
missed dunk by CJ Williams missed open layup by Howell missed FTs at the end
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::dancing L:: 11/30/2011 10:31:26 PM
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Novicane All American 15411 Posts user info edit post |
our players tweet all the time. DeThaey retweeted one of my tweets this morning. I like hollerin' at'em to be honest. 11/30/2011 10:31:46 PM
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Brass Monkey All American 13557 Posts user info edit post |
I think it's pretty big of Howell to acknowledge publicly that he didn't play well. Hopefully he learns from it and plays better in the future. He is normally a good FT shooter (~80%) and those three that he missed were huge. Also he just lost the handle on the fast break, which happens to even the best players every now and then. We get those 5 points, and maybe the game turns out differently. 11/30/2011 10:37:52 PM
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dmspack oh we back 25276 Posts user info edit post |
^^^^Yeah that guy, Olidapo (I think), blew by him on a few occasions in the 2nd half. After some game recently, maybe the Elon game, Hahn and Haynes were talking about how much of a lock-down defender CJW is becoming. I don't see it.
And ^, agreed. Howell didn't play his best game. But he's a good player and has proven that this season. Hopefully he learn from it and improve.
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 10:39 PM. Reason : ] 11/30/2011 10:38:57 PM
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ohmy All American 3875 Posts user info edit post |
CJ Williams sucks as a lockdown defender. I was pissed when Hahn and Haynes were talking after that other game about how he was so great on defense. He got exposed tonight and the possessions where he was burned two or three times in a row did is in 11/30/2011 10:47:39 PM
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Ernie All American 45943 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "He is normally a good FT shooter (~80%)" |
On 22 attempts...
He shot 61% last year, 57% the year before
Better conditioning should help, but he's not gonna stay at 80% all year 11/30/2011 10:50:13 PM
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markgoal All American 15996 Posts user info edit post |
CJW is a good defender for shooters, more so than guys that put the ball on the floor and drive to the rim. 11/30/2011 10:50:51 PM
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Elwood All American 4057 Posts user info edit post |
Home non conference game hurts. Hurts more when you're up 7 and have a bunch of chances to increase the lead. Then Scott Wood for the second time getting an intentional foul.
But its a 29 point improvement over last year. Need 2 of the next 3 (Stanford, Cuse, and St Bonnie's) 11/30/2011 10:53:41 PM
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arcane mind Veteran 135 Posts user info edit post |
TBDV and de Thaey needed PT in this game, if only to increase our depth and get fresher legs on the court. We looked totally gassed late in the game. It killed our D and hurt our fight on offense as well. 11/30/2011 10:59:33 PM
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BJCaudill21 Not an alcoholic 8015 Posts user info edit post |
just got home from the game (and other things).. were either of those fouls on wood (intentional and the one that fouled him out) legit? obviously i didn't see replays, the breakaway looked like a pretty normal reach in, and the block from behind the ball came out pretty solidly but he could have gotten him too 11/30/2011 11:02:19 PM
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BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
I'm not as upset as I thought I would be. It was fun to watch up until the last couple minutes, and I still think we were the better team. But Indiana was darn good, too. Really good/fun game despite the refs.
^No, they weren't legit. There's another one that the crowd was upset about, but I watched it in slow motion, and he did get the guy's arm. There was at least one other that was bullshit, and I can't remember the fifth.
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:04 PM. Reason : Staying positive!] 11/30/2011 11:03:08 PM
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markgoal All American 15996 Posts user info edit post |
Vandenberg has a shoulder injury and was only going to play if we needed him, per Gottfried in the pregame show. 11/30/2011 11:06:22 PM
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timswar All American 41050 Posts user info edit post |
Is fourth foul was definitely a foul, it just wasnt a flagrant foul. 11/30/2011 11:07:22 PM
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Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
just got home:
-Indiana played about as perfect a first six minutes as you'd ever want, they scored 24 points in 6 minutes, that's 160 points/game pace; that said, our transition down the floor for defense was horrible, mostly in this six minute stretch but it was the case later on in the game as well where they'd get a shot and make a bucket before their shot clock got below 25.
-After that point N.C. State finally got their heads in gear, played some defense, and Indiana was having a rougher go of it not making as many shots: 24 points in first 6 minutes, 16 points in next 14 minutes.
-Second half was kinda even although State was getting in the lead. We had great free throw shooting throughout the game and then at some point we started missing free throws, missing easy layups, let Indiana back in the game, and our frontline defense underneath went incredibly soft and they were making layups to come back in. Just a complete choke on both ends of the floor.
-Harsh call on the intentional but it was just an incredibly dumb play by Wood. What the hell was he intending to do? The guy had a break, you don't dive to the floor before you get to the paint acting as if you're tripping the guy, you try to hit the ball as he puts it up expecting a foul to come. I joked with my dad that it was about as blatant as Pitkanen wrapping up a player last night on a breakaway in the hockey game that led to the penalty shot. God bless Scott Wood, but you're a junior so you've been at this awhile, why don't you go learn to do something besides shoot three pointers and free throws, but I guess there's a reason why IU and Purdue didn't recruit the local kid and that's because he's a one-dimensional player.
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:14 PM. Reason : /] 11/30/2011 11:09:25 PM
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BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Flyin Ryan: The guy had a break, you don't dive to the floor before you get to the paint acting as if you're tripping the guy, you try to hit the ball as he puts it up expecting a foul to come." |
We got a way different version at home.
It was obviously a foul, but it did not look like diving or tripping. It was a reach-in from behind with one arm. And then a reach-in with the other. And I suspect the guy who blew the whistle thought Wood was trying to hug him up.
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:18 PM. Reason : But he wasn't. And the dumbest part was the call, not his play.] 11/30/2011 11:16:58 PM
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dweedle All American 77386 Posts user info edit post |
sorry guys I forgot to post my analysis when I got home 11/30/2011 11:22:32 PM
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BridgetSPK #1 Sir Purr Fan 31378 Posts user info edit post |
AHA, I actually wrote up a whole analysis a couple times and decided not to post it.
I'm kinda glad I didn't cause, hot damn, Flyin Ryan is coming off as an idiot and a jerk.
New rule: if you get drunk at the game, don't come home and write what you and your asshole dad thought about it.
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:36 PM. Reason : Didn't mean for this to sound so mean. Sorry.]
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:38 PM. Reason : But you were mean about Wood! So I'm not sorry!]
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:39 PM. Reason : Take it back. Sorry again.]
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:39 PM. Reason : AHA, not sorry! But, seriously, goodnight, guys. And sorry again.] 11/30/2011 11:25:36 PM
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aimorris All American 15213 Posts user info edit post |
lol at blaming refs. They gave us plenty of chances to put the game away at the line. And I was at the game so I didn't have benefit of a replay but it sure looked like we got lucky with that goaltend no-call.
Questionable shot selection, missing shots around the rim, missed free throws - that's why we lost 11/30/2011 11:26:03 PM
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Pupils DiL8t All American 4947 Posts user info edit post |
I read: Quote : | "too many times they just do something really, really dumb" |
but I heard:
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[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:31 PM. Reason : ] 11/30/2011 11:28:59 PM
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Maverick1024 All American 4866 Posts user info edit post |
Johnson has got to start hitting those 3's, but I really like what I see when he's on the floor. He's always pushing the ball, rarely makes a dumb play, and plays really aggressive on-ball defense. I think we need to get him and Brown on the court more together. A lot more.
Harris will be a good player, but he's thinking too much out there right now. We need TDT to steal all of his minutes. Not sure why Harris got the nod over him tonight, but hopefully that changes soon. TDT hussles, rebounds, and supposedly shoots well. Not sure what Harris does well yet.
Also, I know they were guarding the hell out of Wood the 2nd half, but we've got to get him some more shots. It's damn near automatic 3 points when he squares up. The guards really need to look for him on the break more.
Not too disappointed overall. Gotta give credit to Indiana ... they're a solid, well-coached team. Their PG seemed like a little bitch though ... constantly bitching at teammates
[Edited on November 30, 2011 at 11:49 PM. Reason : ] 11/30/2011 11:45:43 PM
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cptinsano All American 11993 Posts user info edit post |
I feel bad for johnson. I watch him make every 3 in shoot around and then can't buy a basket during the game. 11/30/2011 11:57:15 PM
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Flyin Ryan All American 8224 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Bridget: I'm kinda glad I didn't cause, hot damn, Flyin Ryan is coming off as an idiot and a jerk." |
The first three bits is just basketball analysis. If you have an issue with it, say what it is and detail it.
On Wood, I'm just being honest. Hey, our team makes way too many borderline passes as everyone saw tonight, a lot of them get intercepted and ran back. First off (team), don't make those passes to begin with. Second, why the f*ck do you even put your arm in there when you're clearly beat by a couple bodylengths after such a play? It's not like even if Wood got the ball most any ref would not give the attacking player the call because it's a blatant reach-in where you're going around the player to get the ball he's dribbling in front of him. And then Wood makes it worse and gets the intentional called on him making a meal of the thing by going down to the floor acting as if he's just trying to flag the player down. If you're beat just foul him on the shot so he can't make it because at that point it's clear you're going for the ball: play smart defense. It's not even just Wood, we're in the last few minutes of the game and Zeller had a couple unchallenged two footers for easy scores. Where's the interior D?
You can't be a starter in this league with atrocious defense and poor decision making on top of it and expect your team to have success. He's the best we got though, so hopefully he gets better.
[Edited on December 1, 2011 at 12:18 AM. Reason : /] 12/1/2011 12:08:01 AM
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Brass Monkey All American 13557 Posts user info edit post |
Both squads are young, but talented. The difference being that Tom Crean has been at IU for 3 years and his older players are more used to his system. We on the other hand have all of our players learning a new system. It's only the 7th game for these guys running Gottfried's system. I hope we get a rematch next year as I think our freshman class will be better than theirs, which could prove to be the difference. Purvis can get to the rim with ease, Warren can provide more outside shooting for us than just Wood, and Lewis will be a fine back-up for Brown. 12/1/2011 12:10:11 AM
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skokiaan All American 26447 Posts user info edit post |
We did not need to lose this game. We were way more talented than them, but they beat us by playing smarter basketball.
As usual, perimeter defense sucks balls. Been a problem all year. Been a problem for years. You put teams away with defense, and we just let them right back in when we had the 7 point lead. That's an immature team, even though we have our fair share of upperclassmen.
We will be a much better team when CJ Williams is gone. He sucks balls on defense. He is a tweener who is too slow too defend a guard and too small to defend someone bigger. We should have had AJ defending their small guard, sliding Brown over to defend #4 who got all those drives on Williams. Brown could also have pressured their guard more.
Painter and Howell still have serious problems finishing inside. Shots that should be dunks turn out to be really hurried prayers inside.
We folded at the end, there, as well. Too many turnovers and not enough effective shots. We don't have anyone who exudes confidence in end-of-game situations. Brown is not there, yet. Howell's last few shots tell is about him. 12/1/2011 12:13:58 AM
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PKSebben All American 1386 Posts user info edit post |
I hate the Zeller family. Yet, I feel sorry for how absolutely painful on the eyes they are. 12/1/2011 12:14:38 AM
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