They said when the Seahawks were interviewing him, that they asked if he ever disagreed with a coach. He said yes. I wonder which coach that was.

12/23/2012 11:13:34 PM

I'm a huge Russell Wilson, Wolfpack and Seahawks fan. And I'm not a TOB fan whatsoever.

However, I think TOB made the right decision by picking a Glennon to start over a fickle Russell Wilson. Although Wilson was a better QB, I'd rather have two years of Glennon over one year of Wilson.

12/23/2012 11:16:15 PM

not only did TOB make the wrong choice, the coaching RW received was highly suspect. wanted to kill myself Wilson's second year when you could tell he was being told to stay in the pocket and he stopped scrambling as much.

fuck TOB

12/23/2012 11:19:37 PM

Yeah two mediocre seasons instead of an ACC title. Great logic. Cost him his job and deservedly so. You don't kick a legend off the team period.


Seahawks two months ago are irrelevant. As of right now only NE and Denver are on their level. Team would have probably coasted through playoffs at home.

They'll probably draw nyg/wash in the first round in the 4/5 game who they can obviously beat.

Then hopefully Atlanta who has been a remarkably average team most of the year despite their record.

The tough one would be SF or Green Bay on the road presumably in the NFC championship.

12/23/2012 11:22:08 PM

so we're just assuming we'd have won an acc title rw's supposed fourth year? I, too, can make stuff up

12/23/2012 11:24:58 PM

again with the ACC title talk

as good as RW was, his supporting cast wasn't necessarily ACC title worthy

dude couldnt even beat ECU

hell, he had 3 losses with one of the best offensive lines and running games in the country his senior season

12/23/2012 11:25:03 PM

SEA can still get the 2 seed with a win next week, and a SF and GB loss.

12/23/2012 11:25:48 PM

You can "what-if" all you want, but there was no guarantee that we'd have won an ACC title or made it to the conference championship. Go through your whole diatribe of the team we had and the talent in the conference, but speculation is speculation.

In hindsight, a lot of people hate the move for selfish reasons. RW did himself well to go to Wisconsin, get some exposure, put himself where he is now. Now that he's playing great, as some of us expected, we want to call him ours. Instead, we have to share. If RW ended up a flop, (still not outside the realm of possibility considering the flash in the pan QBs that have come and gone through the years) I don't think any of us would be in a rush to call him ours.

12/23/2012 11:27:36 PM

Million dollar kneel downs

12/23/2012 11:33:13 PM

i look forward to the Redskins putting the seahawks in the one-and-done category this postseason

12/23/2012 11:40:25 PM

There is literally a 0% chance he flops at this point.

The highest rated QB prospect ever out of college and hes already elite after 15 starts? Yeah just not possible that he's a dud at this point.

I mean yeah theoretically Tom Brady might suck next year and Mark ButtFumble Sanchez could win the MVP, but let's keep the conversation grounded in reality.

12/23/2012 11:44:20 PM

We would have been to an ACC championship if it wasn't for Torrey Smith.

12/23/2012 11:46:45 PM

Tom Brady wouldn't have won an ACC championship with our shitty defense

12/23/2012 11:49:56 PM

Look, say what you want but VT was not good that year.

We definitely could have beaten them. Clemson murdered them. It is likely that TOB decision to cut Russell Wilson cost us an ACC Championship and his job.

All we can do now is pray that we aren't going to be victims of a curse that keeps us from winning the ACC for 86 years like when the red sox traded babe Ruth.

Firing TOB was definitely a good move to appease the Gods who control these things. Let's see if it helps.

Our football team is going to be absolutely horrible the next few years, so we are definitely paying the price now.

12/23/2012 11:55:02 PM

Quote :

"not only did TOB make the wrong choice, the coaching RW received was highly suspect. wanted to kill myself Wilson's second year when you could tell he was being told to stay in the pocket and he stopped scrambling as much."

That coaching with Bible made RW the NFL QB he is, don't be stupid. They helped him a lot with his pocket presence and not just breaking down and running.

12/23/2012 11:58:01 PM

^ there is some truth that it probably made him a better nfl prospect, but goddam it made us a much worse team.

It's always funny when a team is like ok we can't have you getting hurt so don't use the skill that makes you an effective player.


Be like telling Michael Jordan not to drive to the basket or Deion Sanders not to steal bases. I mean sure Mac & Cheese is more healthy if you don't add the cheese too

[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 12:07 AM. Reason : a]

12/24/2012 12:05:08 AM

Oh boy. The RW/TOB discussion again...

12/24/2012 12:09:34 AM

What a sad fanbase...

12/24/2012 12:55:39 AM

Man. If TOB hadn't killed RW's dad and run him off, state would have won the NFC championship this year. Way to go Toby

12/24/2012 12:56:06 AM

I feel like this shit is worse than the unc "if we didn't have 2/3 of our defense suspended for improper benefits we'd have a national championship" talk.

12/24/2012 1:39:21 AM

"If only" talk makes us sound like some whiny ass Buffalo Sabres fans.

Fuck that.

12/24/2012 2:42:08 AM

Quote :

"The highest rated QB prospect ever out of college and hes already elite after 15 starts?"

????? not agreeing or disagreeing. just curious where that came from

12/24/2012 3:14:05 AM

Highest rated QB prospect ever based on Lewin career forecast. Higher than RG3 even. I posted that before the season.

12/24/2012 7:31:20 AM

you guys all know that Andrew Luck is still going to win the ROY, right? The ESPN hype machine is too much for Russell to overcome

12/24/2012 8:59:04 AM

East coast bias + horrible media market in Seattle = no ROY for RW

12/24/2012 9:01:16 AM

I'd like to see a .gif of him making Patrick Willis look like David Amerson trying to make a tackle on that 6-yard run (where he ran 60 yards). That some vintage RW right there.

12/24/2012 9:31:16 AM

it's not east coast bias. it's statistical bias. RG3 has better stats pretty much across the board (sans TD #'s).

but Luck? he is their team. wilson has the #3 rushing offense behind him. the colts are in the 20's. lynch has more than double the yards of the colts leading rusher, vick ballard. in fact, ballard's 736 total yards is less than the DIFFERENCE between the seattle and indy rushing attacks.

he accounts for nearly 3 out of every 4 yards they gain. he has engineered 7 4th quarter or OT game-winning drives.

the seahawks also have a top 3 defense while the colts are in the 20's there as well.

wilson's had a good year to be sure, but he's the 3rd best rookie QB. hell I want RG3 to win for selfish reasons, but I think I've convinced myself luck is better after looking at all the statistics

[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 9:56 AM. Reason : .]

12/24/2012 9:50:33 AM

^ I agree with everything in your post except for the last sentence.

I think RW is playing better than both of the other quarterbacks at this moment and for 2nd half of the season. And that's not taking anything away from RGIII or Luck...Wilson is simply balling out right now.

12/24/2012 9:59:47 AM

when are ROY votes submitted? RW winning the Super Bowl would certainly help his cause

12/24/2012 10:11:28 AM

Quote :

"Certainly not an all time great like RW. "

Don't you think it's a tad bit early to be saying this?

You people and your bandwagons. I swear. But it's Christmas Eve so I'll leave it at that.

Hallelujah! HOLY SHIT!!

12/24/2012 10:22:20 AM

People are just illogical about Luck.

He's not even in the same stratosphere as RW or RG3 right now.

12/24/2012 10:39:49 AM

^you're right - he's in the mesosphere

in the 2nd half of the season, Luck lost @ NE and @ Houston. RW lost @ Miami. RG3 lost vs. Carolina.

Luck even wins in losses

[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 10:46 AM. Reason : .]

12/24/2012 10:45:24 AM

Colts have a ridiculously soft schedule, and the team around him isn't nearly as bad as we were led to believe. I mean, look at all those interceptions. Clearly the defense is stepping up in some bad situations to not give up too many points on those turnovers.

12/24/2012 10:46:38 AM

seahawks opponents have 1 more win than colts opponents do

12/24/2012 10:52:49 AM

Colts have much easier schedule, and Wilson has better performances against common opponents. Luck interceptions are atrocious, too.


Right now, you'd easily want Wilson over Luck on your team.

[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 12:03 PM. Reason : .]

12/24/2012 12:03:00 PM

Luck has never thrown a game winning interception.

12/24/2012 12:37:34 PM

I love RW and he's having a great year but some of you are either seriously delusional about Luck, haven't watched his games enough to comment on him, or don't know shit about football.

[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 1:42 PM. Reason : or all of the above]

12/24/2012 1:42:10 PM

Luck has had an above-average season for a rookie QB

RGIII and Russell are having border line elite seasons for a rookie QB

they are all great, but Luck is way too careless with the ball

12/24/2012 1:55:09 PM

The more I watch Russell Wilson do well in the NFL - the more I realize how much boobs was right about TOB

12/24/2012 2:02:49 PM

TOB

[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ]

12/24/2012 2:35:57 PM

Thank you Jrb

Much respect

12/24/2012 3:02:48 PM

Look the colts stink okay. Enough, this argument isn't even debateable. Wilson and RG3 both Shit on Luck this year.

12/24/2012 3:51:14 PM

classic face trolling in this thread

12/24/2012 3:54:00 PM

Quote :

"Highest rated QB prospect ever based on Lewin career forecast."

End thread

12/24/2012 4:01:53 PM

the Colts stink, okay. they're probably the worst 10-5 team in NFL history

12/24/2012 4:38:04 PM

You're correct. You could make a solid argument they are only better than 5 teams in the NFL.

Wilson and RG3 are both top ten QBs this year obviously.

Luck is a borderline top 20 QB.


It's just not close, you're arguing about something that can't exist.

12/24/2012 4:46:09 PM

Luck has over 4,000 passing yards

Wilson doesn't even have 3,000

also Wilson throws a pick once every 37.4 pass attempts, Luck throws a pick once every 33.3 pass attempts...not as staggering a difference as the 10 INT to 18 INT total difference

^where are you getting your top-10 and top-20 numbers? RG3 and Luck are both fantasy football top-10 QBs...Wilson isn't a top-10 fantasy QB



[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 4:56 PM. Reason : RG3 would be ROtY if he hadn't missed a game and a half due to injury]

12/24/2012 4:51:30 PM

even if you equate fantasy success with real production, wilson has 5 less fantasy points than luck in my league

for what it's worth, i agree with rg3 & wilson being top 10 qbs this season

most advanced metrics show it to be true

[Edited on December 24, 2012 at 5:11 PM. Reason : /]

12/24/2012 5:07:21 PM

the Luck/Wilson/RG3 debate is face's niche

12/24/2012 5:13:01 PM

Lol at passing yards as a significant stat in determining the quality of a qb

12/24/2012 5:20:50 PM