ahahaha

who would have thought that kicking two field goals after getting turnovers in your opponent's territory would come back to haunt you?

9/15/2013 4:18:51 PM

9/15/2013 4:18:57 PM

AWESOME COMEBACK CAM!!!111

9/15/2013 4:19:04 PM

damn it all to hell

[Edited on September 15, 2013 at 4:19 PM. Reason : +1 for FIRE RIVERA]

9/15/2013 4:19:19 PM

I hope his family starves to death for Christmas.

9/15/2013 4:19:30 PM

"fans"

9/15/2013 4:19:35 PM

Didn't want to throw a pick on that last play.

9/15/2013 4:19:40 PM

LA wouldn't take this team off our hands if we paid them to

9/15/2013 4:19:47 PM

The worst thing that happened to Ron Rivera was Norv finally getting fired. Cause now he can't just point at Norv & say, well at least I'm not as bad as him

9/15/2013 4:19:54 PM

Coaching to lose

9/15/2013 4:20:31 PM

I turned it off after they went up by six knowing 100% they were gonna lose by one. That's how bad it has become there was no doubt in my mind that's how it was gonna go. At least the Chargers won glad I switched to that game.

9/15/2013 4:22:03 PM

9/15/2013 4:22:12 PM

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"AWESOME COMEBACK CAM!!!111"

I mean those were 3 good handoffs, because that was pretty much all he could do at the end of that last drive.

9/15/2013 4:22:17 PM

why would we hire a coach that likes to throw the ball when our qb cant throw

9/15/2013 4:23:18 PM

i cant wait until this terrible organization runs cam out of town and he leads another team to the super bowl.



[Edited on September 15, 2013 at 4:28 PM. Reason : c]

9/15/2013 4:26:11 PM

9/15/2013 4:30:11 PM

^LOL

9/15/2013 4:32:35 PM

really cool to kick a useless FG on 4th and 1

he should have been fired before the Bills PAT attempt

9/15/2013 4:35:56 PM

^^^

9/15/2013 4:38:44 PM

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"I turned it off after they went up by six knowing 100% they were gonna lose by one."

haha, i literally walked out after the 2 min warning because I was like either the panthers going to win or find some way to fuck it up. Glad I got to save 10 mins of my life for something useful...

9/15/2013 4:40:03 PM

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"I was like either the panthers going to win or find some way to fuck it up"

I'm pretty sure everyone knew they were either going to win or lose

9/15/2013 4:43:28 PM

at least we're not the Redskins

9/15/2013 4:44:53 PM

Only thing we've got over the Skins is we'll keep our nickname.

9/15/2013 5:18:12 PM

9/15/2013 5:19:45 PM

nicely done

9/15/2013 5:22:59 PM

Worst coach ever

9/15/2013 6:39:22 PM

Organization blew it when they didnt can Rivera and go after Chip Kelly last year.

9/15/2013 7:09:39 PM

^yep

9/15/2013 7:33:15 PM

david shaw will be a nice hire i think

9/15/2013 7:34:01 PM

Is lovie Smith available, is he a coordinator this year somewhere? I would love to get him

9/15/2013 7:34:56 PM

^ Normally I'd say yes but we need to get an offensive guru involved.

Gruden might be the best fit if you want a known commodity.

9/15/2013 7:50:49 PM

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"A sack seems appropriate"

Exactly what I said as soon as his ass hit the ground. *sigh*

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"I turned it off after they went up by six knowing 100% they were gonna lose by one. That's how bad it has become there was no doubt in my mind that's how it was gonna go. At least the Chargers won glad I switched to that game."

Yeah, we were mostly watching the Chargers game since we figured the Panthers would find SOME WAY to shit the bed. The SD vs. PHI game was a good one! I really don't know why PHI blew all 3 TOs at the end though. Oh well....a W is a W. REALLY pissed about the Panthers though.

9/15/2013 8:15:16 PM

I don't think Rivera is cut out for an NFL head coaching gig, although I think he's gotten a little better

But how much of this do you think could be improved with a good OC? I mean, our offense looked pretty baller 2 years ago with Chud, but our defense wasn't good. Then last year, we went 7-9 and lost like 5 games in the last 2 minutes, due to age defense. Now our defense seems pretty legit, assuming the shitload of injuries suffered today aren't serious ones. I'm not ready to give up on the season yet, though I do think the coaching staff has a lot of work to do.

Couple other things:

- Home teams were 10-2 today (at one point...after 12 games had been completed obviously)...so we weren't the only team who should've won on the road but didn't
- Buffalo isn't a very good team but they're not terrible. They're not as good as Seattle, but they gave the Pats all they could handle last week, and barely beat us

But they did beat us, and the Pats have issues until they get some healthy WRs/TEs

I don't know how I feel about firing a HC/OC mid-season. While I don't think Shula is a good OC, one of the criticisms of the gameplan versus Seattle was being too conservative. Some said that was good for Cam, that he wasn't forcing it and took what the defense gave him. Unfortunately the Seattle defense doesn't give much. So it seemed one of the adjustments today was to go downfield more often, which we did. We took shots, but unfortunately Cam overthrew a lot of balls downfield. The Ginn TD was promising, but kind of an outlier of the day. I blame Cam a good bit for inaccurate passes.

But YET AGAIN, just like last year, we were in a position to win a game, and our defense couldn't hold up. That final play was such a terrible miscommunication. Stevie Johnson couldn't have been more wide open. I would've loved to see a batted ball on that play and to see Buffalo have to go for it on 4th down, obviously. I'd rather lose with Buffalo making a spectacular scoring play on 4th down to win than a pathetic blown coverage play on 3rd down

/rant #emo #yolo #fuck

9/15/2013 8:22:14 PM

I have no idea how anyone could make the claim that Rivera has improved

he makes the same mistakes every week, which is exactly why we all knew we were going to lose that game

there's a chance that I'll settle down by next Sunday, but as of now, I don't plan on watching another Rivera-coached game

9/15/2013 11:00:26 PM

I just want to know why now after 3 seasons, Cam still releases ball late. He waits until well after wr's make their break. The ball should be in flight 1-2 seconds before he typically throws it. It would also help our OL from having to block for 5+ secs.

I don't have a problem with his accuracy, just his decision making.

9/16/2013 9:59:58 AM

so does Kuechly get a free pass for the pass interference penalty that stopped the clock and gave them 1st down on the 11?

9/16/2013 10:17:54 AM

The team lost the game, not Kuechly.

That being said, it sure didn't help.

Ron Rivera is one of the worst NFL head coaches I've ever seen. I think a lot of the blame should start there and trickle down.

9/16/2013 10:24:23 AM

^^yes

[Edited on September 16, 2013 at 10:26 AM. Reason : ^]

9/16/2013 10:26:33 AM

Meh. I am not a Panther fan, but you guys need to give up on the "season's over" bullshit. You sound like NC State fans. It's only 2 games into the season. Start crying like this when you are 0-4.

9/16/2013 10:34:12 AM

All that really needs to be said

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"Ron Rivera did it again. After passing on an opportunity to convert a fourth-and-1 to beat the Falcons last year, a move that ended up turning a near-certain win into a loss, Rivera faced another tough situation Sunday and chose the most conservative option available despite the nature of his team. And let's be clear: That's the biggest problem with Rivera's decision-making at the end of close games. It's not that he's making decisions that go against the numbers, nor is it that he's choosing the most tentative, risk-averse option available to him. It's that he refuses to recognize his team's strengths and adapt his decision-making to incorporate them. This isn't Thank You For Not Coaching; it's Thank You For Not Learning. In short, Rivera passed up another fourth-and-1 game-sealer to put his defense in a situation where it needed to produce a stop to win. With 1:42 left, the Panthers were up three on the Bills, who were out of timeouts. Carolina was facing a fourth-and-1 on Buffalo's 21-yard line with two clear options. The aggressive choice was to go for it, a move that would have allowed the Panthers to kneel three times and end the game, with the downside of allowing the Bills to tie the game if they stuffed the Panthers and drove for a field goal (or lose if the Bills scored a touchdown.)3 The conservative option was to kick a field goal and force the Bills to drive down the field and score a touchdown, at which point they would (barring a failed extra point) win the game. The Advanced NFL Stats fourth-down calculator estimates that the Panthers should have gone for it if they had a 38 percent chance of converting the fourth-down carry. Truthfully, you can throw in just about any figure you want within reason in there and it doesn't really matter. 45 percent? 50 percent? 55 percent? Go nuts. What is unquestionably true is that the Panthers are a wildly successful team in short yardage. Since Rivera took over and the Panthers drafted Cam Newton first overall, Carolina has run the ball on third-and-1 or fourth-and-1 43 times. It has converted 35 of those runs for first downs or touchdowns, meaning that its break-even rate on those plays has been a whopping 81.4 percent. Newton, in particular, has been near-unstoppable: He is 16-for-18 on those carries as a pro. You wouldn't want to risk sneaking him on every single short-yardage play just for the purposes of keeping him healthy, but with the game on the line, you simply have to turn to Newton. And even if you don't, Carolina's backfield is full of expensive running backs; Jonathan Stewart is hurt, but the Panthers could just as easily have handed the ball to DeAngelo Williams or Mike Tolbert. Even if you want to accuse that data of being too small to analyze, what do you think Carolina's "true" success rate is if it ran the ball a million times with a yard to go against an average defense? Would it convert 60 percent of the time? 70 percent? Literally, if the Panthers had to sit down and write a résumé, the first strength they would mention is their effectiveness in short yardage. And yet, Rivera turned down another opportunity to use that strength to seal a victory. Rivera turned to his defense and — yet again — it failed him. The strength of the Carolina pass defense is its pass rush, which isn't always quite as noticeable in the fourth quarter after a full day of chasing after players. Its weakness is the secondary, which is exactly what shows up when the other team is trying to throw the ball to make plays downfield on every single snap. And sure enough, just like Haruki Nakamura got beat for a big play by Matt Ryan last season, the secondary failed Carolina when it needed it most on Sunday. The Panthers had already lost two starters in the secondary during the game, with safety Charles Godfrey suffering a (likely season-ending) Achilles injury and cornerback Josh Thomas going out with a concussion. That left backups in their places, and that inexperience showed up with a blown coverage on the game-winning touchdown pass to Stevie Johnson. On that play, you can see the slot cornerback, D.J. Moore, frantically signaling to the outside cornerback, Josh Norman, that something's up. That should have been Rivera's cue to use one of his remaining timeouts to make sure he had everybody in their right place before that fateful final snap.4 Instead, the Bills get the snap off and the defensive backs blow their coverage; Norman thinks they're playing man and follows his player through to the inside, while Moore (likely expecting a pick play) plays zone and lets his man, Stevie Johnson, break free on an out pattern for the easiest game-winning touchdown catch of his career. I preach a lot about judging decisions based upon process and not outcomes, so I can understand why Rivera would be sticking to his guns while continuing to make conservative decisions; after all, I wouldn't recommend that a coach who was making the right calls in these situations give up after two or three bad experiences. But that's not the issue here. The problem is that Rivera is running his team by remaining obstinate and without properly adjusting his process to account for the players he has available. That's an essential part of the job, and it's Rivera's biggest failing as a head coach. It's also the biggest reason why Carolina is so dreadfully bad in close games — it's now 2-14 in games decided by seven points or fewer under Rivera, a historically dismal performance. Some of that is bad luck, but a fair amount of it is Rivera putting his team in situations to lose. If Rivera continues to coach his team like he's never actually seen it play, he's not going to be a head coach much longer."

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9680034/bill-barnwell-week-2-nfl-season

9/16/2013 11:23:02 AM

Fiyero probably would've gone for it on 4th and 1

9/16/2013 12:08:51 PM

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"Meh. I am not a Panther fan, but you guys need to give up on the "season's over" bullshit. You sound like NC State fans. It's only 2 games into the season. Start crying like this when you are 0-4."

eh I'm sure there will be a little bit of a turnaround like the last two years but as a fan of unc/ncsu/panther football I can def tell when something's not working very well

[Edited on September 16, 2013 at 1:31 PM. Reason : k]

9/16/2013 1:30:52 PM

^^ WTF is Rivera wearing - jockey boxers with a button down dress shirt. He should be fired for that outfit. His legs look abnormally small compared to his enormous torso.



[Edited on September 16, 2013 at 3:32 PM. Reason : sd]

9/16/2013 3:31:41 PM

I especially like the watch. LOL

9/16/2013 3:36:23 PM

Does the owner or the GM typically make the head coaching hire or is it some sort of combination?

9/16/2013 3:44:33 PM

Officially the GM has the power.

But a GM would only dare make a move like that with the owner's approval.

9/16/2013 9:15:40 PM

yet everyone says richardson wasn't very happy with the hire

kind of torn on whether cam is going to be a great qb at this point, he's reminding me a little of post superbowl mcnabb (when he was still kind of good and on the eagles still) minus the obesity but holy hell if we had drafted gabbert number one the franchise might be wiped off the map

9/17/2013 11:13:23 AM

Definitely some red flags with his decision making and footwork in the pocket in his 3rd year. But then again, we never expected him to be Peyton Manning. It's clear there isn't anyone on the coaching staff right now capable of bringing out the best in him. My biggest concern, and before I say this know that I absolutely hate this sort of football lingo, he doesn't seem like a "student of the game". I've never heard the man take a deep dive talking coverages, blocking schemes, routes, etc... He just doesn't seem like a dude who spent all off season watching game tape. I can't even remember seeing him looking at play charts or those sideline photographs they are always printing out. Maybe I'm totally off here, but I think he's still trying to get by primarily on natural ability.

9/17/2013 12:07:07 PM

^ football lingo like that is only prevalent after a few bad games

we've all seen how great he can be and has been in the past and none of us were talking like that then. it's clear that they are trying to turn him into a dropback passer instead of just letting him loose and letting his talent take over.

the league is moving in one direction while this staff is attempting to go in the other direction while they coach the one QB who is absolutely ideal for the read-option

9/17/2013 12:31:01 PM

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"Opposing quarterbacks have completed 72.2 percent of passes this year against Carolina, second highest in the league. Opponents average 3.03 seconds in pocket, fourth highest in the league"

Interesting stats from ESPN.

9/17/2013 1:23:04 PM