why the hell was Vandy playing guard??? no wonder we lost

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=400502855

[Edited on February 15, 2014 at 10:30 PM. Reason : ,]

2/15/2014 10:29:38 PM

What sucks is the fact that Syracuse only had 4 fouls called on them at the end, so on a runout that would have probably won the game for us, Warren gets mugged and he doesn't get to shoot free throws at all. My point is that we get screwed because so many other teams would've been shooting free throws in that situation, regardless of if he was in act of shooting or not because the foul count wouldn't have been a measly 4 team fouls.

2/15/2014 10:30:03 PM

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"Even if it wasn't, if we were wearing orange, we get the and 1. That's my takeaway."

and it would be the wrong call. Warren got fouled around the FT line, took two more steps, and then made a shot. that shouldn't be an and-1.

[Edited on February 15, 2014 at 10:31 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2014 10:30:21 PM

We get it. You're a cunt. Move on.

2/15/2014 10:31:08 PM

wow. looking at a play correctly is "being a cunt." got it.

2/15/2014 10:31:53 PM

What sucks is the fact that Syracuse only had 4 fouls called on them at the end, so on a runout that would have probably won the game for us, Warren gets mugged and he doesn't get to shoot free throws at all. My point is that we get screwed because so many other teams would've been shooting free throws in that situation, regardless of if he was in act of shooting or not because the foul count wouldn't have been a measly 4 team fouls.

2/15/2014 10:32:28 PM

uh oh, we got a new Resident Billy Badass on our hands

#watchout

2/15/2014 10:33:10 PM

Foul from behind to stop a breakaway is the textbook intentional foul.

2/15/2014 10:33:21 PM

so go out and force contact to get fouls called. it's not a fucking conspiracy in this game. we blew it. get used to it, cause we suck this year

^ watch it again. he wasn't "behind" Warren. It's hard to hack a guy's hands in front of him with both arms when you're behind the guy. stop bitching about the refs when we threw the game away with two stupid turnovers

[Edited on February 15, 2014 at 10:34 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2014 10:33:23 PM

Watch the replay, and pause exactly when the whistle blows. TJ just planted his feet, and started his layup. Shooting foul.


Robbed. I can deal with losing, but losing by NC State shit always burns for a while.

2/15/2014 10:33:54 PM

He didn't just "hack" TJ on the arm. He was out of control and basically wrapped his arms around him to stop an easy basket. He wasn't even looking at the ball when he fouled him.

https://vine.co/v/M7UI9apmHOI

[Edited on February 15, 2014 at 10:36 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2014 10:33:58 PM

What sucks is the fact that Syracuse only had 4 fouls called on them at the end, so on a runout that would have probably won the game for us, Warren gets mugged and he doesn't get to shoot free throws at all. My point is that we get screwed because so many other teams would've been shooting free throws in that situation, regardless of if he was in act of shooting or not because the foul count wouldn't have been a measly 4 team fouls.

2/15/2014 10:34:11 PM

She should have called the cops.

2/15/2014 10:34:53 PM

i don't know what replay you're watching, but it's hard as hell to do a layup from the FT line, where contact was made.

2/15/2014 10:35:14 PM

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"cause we suck this year"

If you don't beat the #1 team in the country on the road you suck.

[Edited on February 15, 2014 at 10:36 PM. Reason : .]

2/15/2014 10:36:26 PM

I feel like our chance at making the ncaa tourney just went out the window tonight. We needed a big win and the way we lost this one is gonna be hard to come back from.

2/15/2014 10:40:04 PM

damn, it was before the shooting motion began. I feel much better knowing that now. I blame Vandy.

2/15/2014 10:41:01 PM

that Vine certainly didn't help the argument

2/15/2014 10:41:07 PM

The last "good" team we play is pitt who will be unranked and falling when we play them ( and likely lose anyway)

2/15/2014 10:41:34 PM

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"Watch the replay, and pause exactly when the whistle blows. TJ just planted his feet, and started his layup. Shooting foul."

The whistle blew *after* the foul, genius. The refs aren't precogs. They don't know when a foul is going to happen. Therefor, there must be some reaction time, and since, at least in the universe in which I live, time only moves forward, it stands to reason that the ref will blow the whistle after the actual foul. It was the right call. The foul occurred at the FT line. TJ shot the ball from the side of the rim.

and no, the guy didn't "wrap his arms" around warren. he stuck one arm in front of TJ with the other arm out of control. we weren't robbed by the refs. we were robbed by ourselves by giving up two stupid turnovers in the last 30 seconds. Take off the red glasses and accept that we blew it, like we've blown so many other plays this year.

I will say that, at full speed, from the first angle, it looked like the wrong call. Slowing it down, though, and from the front, you can tell it was the right call. That vine link shows it perfectly

[Edited on February 15, 2014 at 10:43 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2014 10:42:25 PM

if ncstatetke's favorite player scott wood had done that it would be a technical foul and he'd suspended for the rest of the season

2/15/2014 10:43:43 PM

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"and no, the guy didn't "wrap his arms" around warren. he stuck one arm in front of TJ with the other arm out of control. "

Yeah, that's called an intentional foul.

[Edited on February 15, 2014 at 10:44 PM. Reason : ]

2/15/2014 10:43:51 PM

Dude, no ref whatsoever is going to call that as an intentional foul, and I wouldn't expect them to. He made a play *at the ball*. It's no more intentional than any other foul in the last minute of a game. stop blaming the refs, and instead blame the team for two turnovers in the last 30 seconds.

2/15/2014 10:45:36 PM

the off ball fouls that got syracuse in the bonus with 12 minutes to go in the game were worse than that call, but the only reason that call isn't atrocious is because the college game is a joke and has no clear path fouls. that was the 3rd time in the game that syracuse tried that bullshit on a warren fast break. once they called nothing and he got a dunk, the other two times we had to take the ball out from the sideline. there's a reason that's FTs and the ball in the nba and it's because guys get injured a lot on those plays

2/15/2014 10:47:37 PM

Burro on a roll tonight.

Christmas in February.

2/15/2014 10:48:32 PM

Proud of this team. They have exceeded my expectations and I look forward to every game. Can't wait to see how these guys develop and mature

2/15/2014 10:49:27 PM

I'm just trying to be the voice of reason as an objective fucke

2/15/2014 10:49:30 PM

Harrison Barnes can't dunk for shit

2/15/2014 10:49:30 PM

You're doing a great job. You're close to perfection. Gotta call out guys for not having profile pics though. That's the clincher.

2/15/2014 10:50:55 PM

that's the kinda thing I would expect from a guy who doesn't have a picture of himself in his photo gallery

2/15/2014 10:51:33 PM

Ha, nice general statement there. You're completely wrong that "no ref" is going to call that. I ref high-school games, and we call that every time.

It's an intentional foul anytime a player coming from behind prevents another player from getting a shot up on a breakaway with no attempt at a block. It should be the same call in NCAA every time. But you're a bitch, so there's no point in arguing anymore.

The 2 TO's lost us the game, but that doesn't make that call any less horrible.

2/15/2014 10:52:14 PM

We sold our soul for 83. And now we suck for eternity.

2/15/2014 10:53:16 PM

no attempt at a block? HE FUCKING SWIPED AT THE BALL!!! It's obvious why you're still reffing at high school games if you think swiping at the ball should be an intentional foul

2/15/2014 10:53:40 PM

settledown

2/15/2014 10:54:10 PM

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"that's the kinda thing I would expect from a guy who doesn't have a picture of himself in his photo gallery"

2/15/2014 10:54:17 PM

Well the foul train sucked. In the double bonus with 10 mins left. Christmas with 6 free throws in a row. I didnt check but i bet most of their 2nd half points were ft's. If it werent for that whistle fuckfest we woulda been up be double digits

2/15/2014 10:54:30 PM

If you look closely, Warren also got pushed, which made the shooting motion awkward.

2/15/2014 10:56:32 PM

Calling a foul when Ennis just fell was a bit... over the top.

2/15/2014 10:57:43 PM

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"i bet most of their 2nd half points were ft's."

it's true. 14 of their 30 second half points were free throws

2/15/2014 10:58:43 PM

Good effort by the pack, kept waiting for the nc state shi*, just took til the last twenty seconds to happen. My biggest beef is the five minute or so stretch in the 2nd half where vandy was playing at the top of the key. He is no threat to shoot, should have only had Washington or Freeman up there.

2/15/2014 11:05:23 PM

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"^^^ the BE shit was more about the rough Pitt/Cincy style. Syracuse has never been a bruising team. And weren't close to the best program either. "

Syracuse wasn't close to the best program in the Big East??? Wasn't close??? Dude, your objectivity is out the window. You always claim to be an "expert" of the Big East, but are clearly just bitter about UConn not making the cut. There are plenty of stats to prove you wrong in the 34 years of the Big East - namely 22 of those years they finished in the top 3 of the Big East should be enough, but there were plenty more...

2/15/2014 11:09:03 PM

I see the homerun pass to Warren is the big thing on here. I'd say given the situation, you would typically see a no call 1% of the time, a shooting foul 10-15% of the time and an intentional foul 10-15% of the time, on the floor 50-60%. What you will also see is a team that racked up bonus fouls in the first half, plays just as physical in the second half and only has 4 fouls with 20 seconds to go 0.1% of the time. Does anyone here think Syracuse played less physical in the second half as they did in the first to warrant the foul difference? I don't...

Warren gathered his feet then went up after the contact, so I wasn't terribly upset with it being on the floor. The Cuse player swiped through Warren while never leaving his feet and moved out of the way, I can't be outraged it wasn't intentional. This is not going to be called intentional/flagrant anywhere close to the majority of the time. The problem is the refs think Cuse didn't foul at all in the second half. And yea, we are going to think the Duke-SU game next week has everything to do with it, can we be blamed?

2/16/2014 12:02:06 AM

I'm actually excited about the NIT, games in Reynolds are a blast

2/16/2014 12:09:13 AM

Jeez. I think I'm done. I just don't see the point anymore.

PS I <3 BridgetSPK

[Edited on February 16, 2014 at 12:27 AM. Reason : Ernie, hold me.]

2/16/2014 12:24:19 AM

I'm offended that people who claim to watch basketball on a regular basis are clamoring for an intentional foul on Warren

that's beyond absurd

we should have won that game somewhat easily but continued to shoot ourselves in the foot on a regular basis. good teams tend to take advantage of those mistakes.

it's nearly impossible to win (especially on the road) after so many missed opportunities

with that said, I'm damn proud that we were still in a legit position to win and regardless of the outcome it still boosts our resume

proud, but it still hurts

2/16/2014 3:19:31 AM

maybe you haven't been watching NC State basketball on a regular basis. state has been called for intentional fouls that were even less questionable than the one at the end of yesterday.

Syracuse should not have been rewarded for a desperation foul that didn't even come close to making contact on the ball and was committed from behind on a guy making an unimpeded move to the basket.

at least burro is filling in nicely for jibbles

[Edited on February 16, 2014 at 8:06 AM. Reason : .]

2/16/2014 8:04:35 AM

^^

so what's your opinion on the call? no problem with it? we aren't allowed to complain about a back breaking call because we had a few turnovers?

2/16/2014 8:21:12 AM

So, Syracuse beat NC State last night after 3.5 years. We've been long distance pretty much the entire time, but we talk every day on the phone. She's got three more years of grad school left in Texas (I'm in NC), and then we were gonna move to the same city and do our thing. But, she said she's afraid we aren't going to work out, but with no other explanations or reasons.

She says she still loves me, but just doesn't want to spend more time when she doesn't think we'll work out, even though she admits that we get along perfectly when we are together. We haven't seen each other since January because I got let go at work and couldn't afford the travel. She had a couple other things that prevented her from coming over my way, too. I don't think she's with anyone else, but who knows. I just don't think she'd do that without telling me that was the reason.

Needless to say, I'm pretty tore up over it. I've bought a plane ticket and am gonna go over there this week and just see what the fuck is up. Several friends have said that's what I should do, while my folks have said to just move on. How stupid of an idea is this.

2/16/2014 9:07:10 AM

Whether or not TJ should've gotten continuation per the NCAA rules is irrelevant. ACC refs suck dick. You know damn well if you replaced Cooney with any State player and replaced Warren with any Duke or UNC player on that play, they would've gotten the and-1

2/16/2014 9:25:20 AM

WE WILL SEE THEM AGAIN IN THE TOURNAMENT

2/16/2014 9:35:23 AM