^ you want it to be like a FailBerry?

[Edited on April 18, 2010 at 1:44 PM. Reason : one hundred and fourty one pages]

4/18/2010 1:43:53 PM

highly doubt it

4/18/2010 1:44:50 PM

^^ or any android phone?

4/18/2010 1:51:17 PM

^ i was hoping to not mention that, as an owner of a Droid.

4/18/2010 1:53:07 PM

do not want

4/18/2010 3:02:32 PM

So first those pictures were the new iPhone. Then they weren't. Now they are again. I just wish they would hurry up and announce the damn thing so people would stop speculating.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/18/iphone-4g-proof/

4/18/2010 4:27:14 PM

wow....the plot thickens....I'm convinced Apple is just fucking with us

4/18/2010 4:42:09 PM

not sure what the arrows are pointing at there...

4/18/2010 4:47:52 PM

It's supposedly on the table with the ipad prototype.

4/18/2010 4:49:47 PM

Gizmodo does something worthwhile for once


http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i

4/19/2010 10:46:57 AM

More from Gizmodo, they seem to think this is def the new iPhone. It was found in a bar or something. How awesome would it be to be drunk at a bar a stumble across the new iPhone, haha

http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone

4/19/2010 10:47:49 AM

OLD

4/19/2010 10:49:52 AM

Pretty ballsy of someone to find a phone, that doesnt belong to them, then take the damned thing a part. I bet Apple sues.

4/19/2010 11:49:18 AM

If Apple issues a take-down request, we'll know.

4/19/2010 11:49:55 AM

Or it could be a carefully planned marketing scheme.

4/19/2010 11:52:32 AM

I doubt Apple is going to do much of anything at this point. The cat's out of the bag and taking any sort of action against Gizmodo would just be a confirmation. They probably just ignore this and maybe push up the official announcement event a few weeks.

On the phone itself, it looks like Apple has finally addressed the majority of the hardware omissions that have existed since the 3G. Front facing camera, flash, and a higher resolution screen are all things that the iPhone sorely needed to achieve hardware parity with it's competitors.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 12:11 PM. Reason : ::]

4/19/2010 12:09:27 PM

smaller screen though?

4/19/2010 12:20:25 PM

hahaha I can't believe this thing got completely exposed....biggest apple leak ever

i wonder if steve will make them change the case design to save face

4/19/2010 12:31:22 PM

I honestly love the design of the new iphone, assuming that's what it looks like when it comes out.

And you're right, it doesn't look much like an apple product, but I'm not a huge fan of apple's product design anyway.

The new one looks like an iphone with a bit of zune styling mixed in, looks great IMO.

4/19/2010 12:49:31 PM

^

Quote :

"Or it could be a carefully planned marketing scheme."

4/19/2010 12:50:11 PM

To what ends?

4/19/2010 12:54:37 PM

The way this got out was a little too sloppy to be a planned leak. From the initial story, to the confirmation of fake, to now looking like this is the real deal. Nah, I think you can take what happened here at pretty close to face value.

Some drunk Apple employee lost the phone at a bar, someone found out, realized it wasn't a 3GS and then sent pictures of it to a bunch of tech sites (namely Engadget and Gizmodo). A bidding war ensued to determine who would get their hands on the phone and it looks like Gizmodo won.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 12:58 PM. Reason : :]

4/19/2010 12:57:48 PM

that case is fucking hideous. i really hope they were planning on making it not look like a chinese knockoff before it's actually released.

4/19/2010 1:07:18 PM

i'd buy one at subsidized price

4/19/2010 1:12:51 PM

someone wanna buy my 2 week old iPhone 3gs 32 gig in a month and a half?

4/19/2010 1:16:16 PM

Quote :

"The way this got out was a little too sloppy to be a planned leak"

sloppy?

all they had to do was leave it on a bar table

4/19/2010 1:16:34 PM

"Why'd you get let go from Apple?"



"I was the guy who lost the 4G iPhone "

4/19/2010 1:17:06 PM

i bet he gets a lot more than fired..

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 1:22 PM. Reason : http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-10292929-37.html]

4/19/2010 1:21:26 PM

This is America, though. Not China.



and on a side note:

Doesn't anyone else find that sort of secrecy to the point of suicide disgusting? What sort of fucking society do we live in where it's ok that some guy killed himself over a fucking cell phone going missing? What kind of society (both American and Chinese) endorses the workplace stress that Apple does to keep a secret? It's unreasonable and unrequired. It's a fucking cell phone, not a god damned nuclear weapon.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 1:24:49 PM

I like the new look.

4/19/2010 1:26:53 PM

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 1:34 PM. Reason : i fail]

4/19/2010 1:31:58 PM

no fucking shit.

i wasn't "trying" anything. just saying, i would be surprised if he wasn't bound somehow to NOT let that cell phone get out to the public. violating an NDA can be costly

4/19/2010 1:35:50 PM

Quote :

"Doesn't anyone else find that sort of secrecy to the point of suicide disgusting? What sort of fucking society do we live in where it's ok that some guy killed himself over a fucking cell phone going missing? What kind of society (both American and Chinese) endorses the workplace stress that Apple does to keep a secret? It's unreasonable and unrequired. It's a fucking cell phone, not a god damned nuclear weapon."

That's successful business. You don't want to give your competitors any advantage or opportunity to beat you to market with your own ideas and designs.

Look at all the iPad like tablets...companies are talking about them and demoing them way too early that it generates more negative marketing then positive because they're incomplete and buggy as hell. It shows a lack of confidence in their product.

4/19/2010 1:38:31 PM

^ You seriously think that one piece of consumer equipment is more valuable than someone's life?

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 1:53 PM. Reason : I don't give a shit how good the product is. No one should be ok with someone dying over it.]

4/19/2010 1:52:58 PM

clearly that's what he meant

4/19/2010 1:58:20 PM

^^That.

Very much ^^that.

And once again, ^^THAT.

4/19/2010 1:59:28 PM

yeah think he was talking about the later half of the comment in regard to why a company should keep their products secret until release day.

4/19/2010 2:00:33 PM

Quote :

"^ You seriously think that one piece of consumer equipment is more valuable than someone's life?"

thats not at all what I implied.

Although someone killing themselves over losing a prototype is a personal issue. People get fired for fucking up at work all the time. How you deal with that stress is a personal issue not a business one. As far as I know he wasn't executed by his government or employer. He breached a contract which is a serious offense. Its business not personal but some people make it personal. He's certainly not the first guy to get fired or breach a contract. And of course there are cultural differences.

Quote :

"yeah think he was talking about the later half of the comment in regard to why a company should keep their products secret until release day."

This is exactly what I was referring to.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 2:22 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 2:15:29 PM

Well in order to save an argument on semantics, I'll just say that that is now how I read it, but I'm glad to see that you don't value a product over human life.

Quote :

"Look at all the iPad like tablets...companies are talking about them and demoing them way too early that it generates more negative marketing then positive because they're incomplete and buggy as hell. It shows a lack of confidence in their product."

IRT to this - I think that Apple is so far away to the extreme from this that is what causes the sorts of suicidal behavior. To me, that's unacceptable. They can certainly reign in this whole cloak and dagger bullshit and still keep producing top-notch industry leading products.

I realize that personal reactions are personal, and no one can predict how people would react, but a gestapo style search of the guy's house is a bit unnecessary. I see parallels to that and ethnic cleansing, or the Taliban's enforcement of strict Islamic ideals in Afghanistan.

If I owned a company that produced consumer products, and the culture of secrecy drove a man to commit suicide because he lost one of my items, I'd have to stop and re-examine the way I did business. There's just something fundamentally wrong with a company's culture if anyone can even remotely think that losing a consumer product is equatable with death.

4/19/2010 2:40:17 PM

Quote :

"I realize that personal reactions are personal, and no one can predict how people would react, but a gestapo style search of the guy's house is a bit unnecessary."

Industrial espionage. Had the guy in fact stolen a prototype and sold it to the highest bidder, that could potentially cost Apple millions. It is quite serious for any business to protect their property.

You got it right with "Personal reactions are personal and no one can predict how people would react." Thats where you should have stopped. You don't know if the guy you are about to fire is going to commit suicide, come in the office the next day with an automatic weapon, or whatever.

Lets leave Chinese law and their human rights violations out of this for a moment and look at the big picture. If you were suspected of stealing and investigators had probable cause, would you think it was wrong for them to search your home? Investigators would either find the item in your home or quickly cross you off a list of suspects. How is stealing from your employer any different then other theft crimes?

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 2:51 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 2:50:27 PM

apple isn't going to lose any money at all over a device prototype for a new version of a device thats been out for years. especially one that they'll be putting out in a few months.

4/19/2010 3:28:47 PM

Quote :

"apple isn't going to lose any money at all over a device prototype for a new version of a device thats been out for years. especially one that they'll be putting out in a few months."

Our resident expert chimes in and misses the point. Shocker

Quote :

"potentially"

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 3:30 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 3:29:57 PM

if this was the first iphone and it was 2 years before release then yea that would be a problem. But saying this is gonna cause problems for apple is like if someone had leaked the last update to the macbook line. Everyone expects them to come out with new iphones/macbooks every so often so its no suprise to anyone when it happens.

To put it more simply, theres no way for apple to lose money by someone knowing for sure that apple is going to do something expected. If anything it confirms for people looking for new phones that they may want to hangout for a bit till it comes out, which is potentially more money for apple.

4/19/2010 3:34:57 PM

Quote :

"if this was the first iphone and it was 2 years before release then yea that would be a problem. But saying this is gonna cause problems for apple is like if someone had leaked the last update to the macbook line. Everyone expects them to come out with new iphones/macbooks every so often so its no suprise to anyone when it happens. To put it more simply, theres no way for apple to lose money by someone knowing for sure that apple is going to do something expected. If anything it confirms for people looking for new phones that they may want to hangout for a bit till it comes out, which is potentially more money for apple."

You still don't get it.

4/19/2010 3:35:49 PM

what dont i get? this doesn't hurt apple in any way.

4/19/2010 3:58:12 PM

i, too, do not see how this hurts apple.

4/19/2010 4:10:13 PM

Well first, it doesn't matter if its a 1st gen or 10th gen product. Breaching a contract, compromising company secrets, technology, etc should all be treated equally. Its pretty silly to think that Apple (or any company) would be like "its ok, buddy, its just a 4th gen iPhone. no worries *daps*"

Second, it can potentially cost Apple (or any company in a similar situation) if competitors get wind of concrete features that are going into this next gen phone BEFORE its officially launched/announced, it gives them time to one up Apple or match them in features in their next release vs. having to wait until the following generation. We all know how most of their competitors love to cram as many half ass features as possible in each generation.


*potentially - having or showing the capacity to become or develop into something in the future


^ and ^^ I'm going to assume neither one of you have ever worked on a project where keeping features secret until launch was important.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:14 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 4:12:00 PM

concrete features like the ones already available on multiple phones already

4/19/2010 4:13:47 PM

Again, you are looking at this and thinking, whatever nothing to look at here, we expected a 4g iPhone. But thats not really the point, now is it?

4/19/2010 4:15:59 PM

yes. that is entirely the point

4/19/2010 4:16:41 PM