there is 0 potential for this to harm apple.

4/19/2010 4:17:26 PM

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"yes. that is entirely the point"

/facepalm

I'm guessing this is just another one of your IE rocks type of troll attempts. I lose.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:18 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 4:18:13 PM

i'm gonna side w/ shaggy here and just let him continue the arguing

4/19/2010 4:20:41 PM

I'm done here. I sometimes forget its Shaggy I'm responding too and then I'm like doh!

4/19/2010 4:21:36 PM

its not a troll you're just a dumb faggot apple cocksucker. There is no potential for damage to apple. As gay as some gizmodo or engadget reader is to sell the phone instead of returning it, its still not going to hurt apple. There is not "maybe some potential for harm", there is no potential for harm.


The device was expected to exist, and to no ones surprise it exists.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:22 PM. Reason : l]

4/19/2010 4:22:07 PM

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"its not a troll you're just a dumb faggot apple cocksucker. There is no potential for damage to apple"

this has 0 to do with Apple specifically. Like I've already said multiple times. Leaking company secrets or property can potentially be costly or damaging. /theend.

but like i said, troll away, I'm done here.

p.s. IE blows.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:25 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 4:23:14 PM

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"^ and ^^ I'm going to assume neither one of you have ever worked on a project where keeping features secret until launch was important."

Dude, there is a difference between making a reasonable assumption that someone stole something in a corporate environment and leaving it to lawsuits and investigations and bringing out the Nazi SS to storm through someone's fucking house over a piece of missing tech hardware.

Not even government mandated officials - people that worked FOR the company itself. Do you not realize what a huge fucking violation of personal privacy that is?


I contracted for Motorola for 2 years and to date I have at least 9 cell phone products and one software package that I worked on that were put to market. For every single one of them I was bound by NDA not to talk about until release, but I know for a fact that the phones were used by employees or provided to their kid to be used in public places where they could've been lost or stolen.

A huge violation of policy, yes, but at no point would anyone have expected Motorola Shock Troopers to come storming into their house and search it for missing hardware.

The entire purpose of secrecy is to maintain intellectual property, yes, but that is handled best through lawsuits, not through the violation of people's human rights.


If we were having this discussion on State secrets - meaning ones from the government - then yes, all bets are off. But this is a fucking consumer product.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:29 PM. Reason : put the Apple fanboyism aside here for a moment.]

4/19/2010 4:28:18 PM

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"Lets leave Chinese law and their human rights violations out of this for a moment"

^this has nothing to do with Apple or being a fan of Apple products. This just so happens to have come up in this thread because it was an Apple product. My feelings don't change. I would say the same thing regardless of which company's prototype went missing.

Did the Apple SS storm his house here in the United States of America or in the People's Republic of China?

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"Do you not realize what a huge fucking violation of personal privacy that is?"

If you want to have a discussion on how China and Chinese businesses violate human rights and the right to privacy, take it to the Soap Box because I'm not really interested. This includes poor work conditions and poor pay.


[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:35 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 4:33:26 PM

Maybe I missed the article, but where does it say that a band of mock-turtlenecked indie kids descended upon the man's house like the gestapo?

Because all that one article says is "dude loses phone. dude kills himself"

4/19/2010 4:35:16 PM

^I'm assuming it was in the original article that came out a while back. I didn't see it in this article either.

in other news: a US citizen receives lashes in Singapore for vandalism. Too harsh? probably but thats not for us to decide.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:38 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 4:37:03 PM

Im happy to see what appears to be a scratch resistant surface on the rear of the phone. I hate that you have to put these things in ugly cases to keep them looking remotely decent.

4/19/2010 4:41:44 PM

^until you drop it As I have done many times.

4/19/2010 4:43:25 PM

The original Apple Gestapo article from Dec 15, 2009:

http://gizmodo.com/5427058/apple-gestapo-how-apple-hunts-down-leaks

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"They call themselves the Worldwide Loyalty Team. Among some employees, they are known as the Apple Gestapo, a group of moles always spying in headquarters and stores, reporting directly to Jobs and Oppenheimer. Here's how they hunt people down. "You may want to know about their Worldwide Loyalty Team," Tom told me recently in an email. I read what he had to say. It felt like a description of the Gestapo, without the torture and killing part. Tom never lived in Nazi Germany, back in the time when the Geheime Staatspolize had the power to get into any house or any office, at any time of the day or night, without any warrant or reason, to seize whatever or whoever they wanted in their never ending search to find enemies of the state. A place in which you had no right to privacy whatsoever. A place in which you were guilty until proven otherwise. No, Tom never lived in Nazi Germany, nor in East Germany, nor in the Soviet Union, nor in Communist China. He lives in the United States. For sure, he has never been scared of losing his life nor the ones he loves, like thousands of millions in those countries. But he knows how it feels to be watched, to always be considered guilty of crimes against another kind of state. He knew how it felt to have no privacy whatsoever when he was working right here, in a little Californian town called Cupertino, in a legendary place located in One Infinite Loop. Tom knew about all that pretty well, back when he was working at Apple Inc."

Go ahead, refute this.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 4:56 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 4:56:03 PM

^ thank you.

4/19/2010 5:04:46 PM

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"Go ahead, refute this."

Refute what? kiljadn would like to discuss human rights violations in the corporate world because he's opposed to it, so I'm not sure what/who you're expecting to refute those claims.

Also, after reading that, thank God we live in America where you have the right to seek employment elsewhere

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 5:09 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 5:06:05 PM

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"Golovko: Did the Apple SS storm his house here in the United States of America"

The article would suggest that it DOES happen here in the United States of America, that's what I asked you to refute.

4/19/2010 5:12:59 PM

Ok, I admit, I skimmed the article so I missed the part that said their houses were stormed. Although their privacy was violated on company property, that part I did read.

Note: My argument wasn't that these things don't happen. My argument was for the importance of keeping company secrets, prototypes, features, etc under a tight lid. How you go about doing that is an entirely different matter that kiljadn brought up.

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 5:17 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 5:16:04 PM

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"The device was expected to exist, and to no ones surprise it exists. "

4/19/2010 5:19:30 PM

yeah I think we're all talking about 3 unique things.

4/19/2010 5:21:45 PM

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"The device was expected to exist, and to no ones surprise it exists."

Find me one person who thought otherwise. You'll get a cookie if you do.

^i think so too

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 5:22 PM. Reason : .]

4/19/2010 5:21:57 PM

anyway I didnt mean for this to get all soap-boxy


I just want Apple to stop treating its employees like shit and continue to make excellent products in the meantime

4/19/2010 5:30:00 PM

The new garmin looks like the new iphone.

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/19/garmin-nuvi-3700-series-breaks-the-gps-mold-uses-another-mold-i/

4/19/2010 5:39:59 PM

gizmodo is saying that it was an ncsu grad who lost the prototype:
http://gizmodo.com/5520438/how-apple-lost-the-next-iphone?skyline=true&s=i

graduated in 2006, I bet a bunch of us had classes with him

[Edited on April 19, 2010 at 8:28 PM. Reason : ]

4/19/2010 8:26:07 PM

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"Go ahead, refute this."

Worked for Apple for 4 years (though admittedly not on the main campus), and never once saw, heard or knew of any such "Apple Gestapo". I knew plenty of guys that got let go for running their mouths about things they shouldn't, knew guys that got let go for taking company property, guys that got let go for going into places they shouldn't be going, and guys that just got let go for reasons no one except the managers knew. Likewise, none of the people I worked with had ever heard such a thing. While I'm sure there is more secrecy surrounding the labs and development buildings, I think that whole article was a load of shit made up to generate page views.

4/19/2010 8:28:32 PM

^ did you know a Gray Powell? (supposedly the dude who lost the phone)

4/19/2010 8:44:54 PM

Nope. Doesn't mean he doesn't (didn't) work for Apple, but if he did, I didn't know him.

4/19/2010 9:00:18 PM

i was in EEP with Gray, this is funny as shit

4/19/2010 9:08:00 PM

well isn't that some NC State shit

4/19/2010 9:08:27 PM

bahahaha i just read about it being an NCSU grad on gizmodo

so much more epic

4/19/2010 10:07:54 PM

bous is friends with him on facebook

4/19/2010 10:15:30 PM

They'll find his "suicide" note written on an ipad.

4/19/2010 10:26:25 PM

Steve Jobs is going to harvest him for spare body parts.

4/19/2010 11:39:40 PM

hahahahahah classic. used to do HW with him as an undergrad

4/20/2010 12:52:40 AM

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 1:40 AM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 1:39:46 AM

It was a pretty shitty thing for Gizmodo to name him. There was zero journalistic reason to do so. And there are already Facebook groups and stupid t-shirts for sale, making fun of the kid.

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 8:16 AM. Reason : .]

4/20/2010 8:15:47 AM

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"there is 0 potential for this to harm apple."

Going back to this for a second based on something brought up in a Gizmodo posting -- if this turns out to be a prototype 5th gen iPhone, rather than a 4th gen iPhone, it will hurt Apple.

Not to mention that, since it's a demo unit, it might have functionality that the final version doesn't have, which could also hurt Apple.

4/20/2010 8:59:06 AM

THE AUTOBAHN OF ACCIDENTALLY LEAKING INNOVATION

4/20/2010 9:12:49 AM

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"It was a pretty shitty thing for Gizmodo to name him. There was zero journalistic reason to do so."

That's why I'd rather smear feces on my face than read Gizmodo, usually. They are the pinnacle of terrible journalism.

4/20/2010 10:11:29 AM

They probably did it to make sure he doesn't get whacked by the Apple gestapo.

4/20/2010 10:27:19 AM

People will definitely pay attention to see if he gets axed

4/20/2010 10:27:43 AM

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"THE AUTOBAHN OF ACCIDENTALLY LEAKING INNOVATION"

lolllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll

4/20/2010 10:54:41 AM

Yeah, Apple would look pretty bad if they fired him now. I mean, it's a phone, shit happens. The only way you can really test a device that's meant to be attached to your hip 24/7, is by attaching it to your hip 24/7. Assuming he was authorized by Apple to take the device home in the first place, they can't get too mad at him when something like this happens. Maybe revoke his testing privileges for future phones, but it's not a reason to fire someone.

4/20/2010 10:59:34 AM

this is amazing, definitely some nc state shit.

4/20/2010 11:06:25 AM

haha

http://gizmodo.com/5520496/keep-your-head-up-gray-powell

4/20/2010 11:11:56 AM

explain why that's funny?

4/20/2010 11:13:51 AM

its ridiculous

fascinating? tragic? human? Give me a break.

4/20/2010 11:16:57 AM

To me, it read more like someone at Gizmodo having a pang of conscience about publishing the guy's name. And then instead of saying, "maybe we went too far," they're saying, "here's an extra special fuck you from the people that just made your screw up into (inter)national news."

4/20/2010 11:19:38 AM

I don't see how you would read it any other way

thats why its ridiculous. its a joke.

4/20/2010 11:21:38 AM

Seems patronizing as hell to me.

4/20/2010 11:44:16 AM

In a world that rewarded good behavior, they'd lose readers. Sadly, this isn't that world.


HOLY FUCK, they're still at the kid:
It Was Gray Powell's Birthday
http://gizmodo.com/5520669/it-was-gray-powells-birthday

[Edited on April 20, 2010 at 12:34 PM. Reason : update]

4/20/2010 12:30:37 PM