yea... parking tickets are like seal team 6 identities

6/1/2011 11:21:46 AM

My crystal ball says:

UNC forces resignation of Butch Davis after official NCAA sanctions, UNC hires Jim Tressel

6/1/2011 1:28:56 PM

This was just posted on IC, called Texas Football and Institutional Control. Very good read.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=78&f=1408&t=7559749

6/1/2011 1:51:31 PM

^ love that this was posted on the IC boards... hope everyone over there gets to read before it is probably removed.

6/1/2011 2:07:38 PM

wow, what a great read. That dude really decomposed about every flimsy argument that's been made in the last 20 years regardless of program. Makes me admire what TX is doing from a compliance standpoint and I am sure that's how TOB runs the ship as well.

6/1/2011 2:10:14 PM

my favorite parts

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"To use some blunt military language, the Texas compliance office does not **** around. If you have a car, the compliance office will have the make, model, and plate number. You have to show how you are making payments or who is making payments. They let you know that if you drive something other than the car you tell them about, it better belong to a family member and if you park it on campus you have to bring it to the attention of the compliance office. God forbid that the UT Parking Nazis give you a parking ticket and it go unpaid before sunset. Got an unpaid ticket? MadDog had a way to remind you to park in your correct spot and that’s AFTER the ticket was paid. If you live off campus, you have to provide your lease at the beginning of each semester and show where the money to pay the rent is coming from. Every time ANOTHER SEC school gets busted giving cars or cash (or having an agent do it) to a player, they parade the usual suspects (Holtz, Meyer, Saban) onto ESPN where they cry crocodile tears about how HARD it is to keep track of 85 guys and what they do in their off time? Really? You have 85 players to go with 8 position coaches, 10 S&C coaches, 5 full time academic support personnel, 5 full time athletic trainers, 15 student assistant trainers, 5 guys on the film staff, 10 equipment managers, a recruiting coordinator, and 5 guys in your compliance office devoted to football. You can do the math on player-to-support personnel ratios, but it’s pretty obvious that if the people in a NCAA football program are paying one lick of attention and actually give a rip about playing by the rules, it is IMPOSSIBLE to have a car (worth driving) that people in the program don’t know about. This “open secret” at Ohio State with cars ranging from free to ultimate sweetheart deals is unforgiveable."

6/1/2011 2:15:53 PM

everything is bigger in texas. including ncaa compliance.

6/1/2011 2:35:40 PM

Somehow those UNC fucks will try to take credit for it because it's Mack Brown.

[Edited on June 1, 2011 at 2:46 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2011 2:45:00 PM

It's really not even that difficult. I have no idea why people keep bringing this 85 number up. At no point in time will an agent/runner/car salesman help anybody out that doesn't have a pro future, someone that can return the favor. Sure, the scrub may get a hundred dollar handshake at some point, but the real goods go to the good players. So out of an 85 man roster, you're looking at 10-20/tops who the program needs to keep an eye on. With 10 coaches and at minimum a 6 man compliance department (forgetting all the other people), it's ridiculous to keep hearing "it's hard to know what 85 kids are doing."

If I were in charge of the NCAA, I would actually make a bylaw that states that any head coach/AD/Chancellor/President that uses the "I didn't know" or "It's hard to keep track of 85 guys" will be considered an NCAA infraction and is immedialtey punishable with a $50,000 fine to the school and head coach personally suspeneded one game without pay. Butch Davis and Tressel supporters are making it out like you've got 85 guys running around town (or the country in UNC's case) in 85 different directions with camouflage flying under the radar and how impossible it is to know everything. Well, when your players are rolling around town in 6 different cars without a valid license and others are Twittering it and posting pics on Facebook, it's not exactly a stealth mission designed to undermine your compliance department. It's blatant arrogance and a middle finger pointed right at the NCAA





[Edited on June 1, 2011 at 2:56 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2011 2:54:05 PM

leave it to ghostheel to bring some IC rationalization to the unrationalizable. man, reading stuff like this must sting a tarhole right in the tenders, propping up ol'Mack no less.

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" ghostheel wrote: It was definitely pompous. Even great folks who serve in the military can be pompous. They are human. We have no clue whether what he said happen is true. How would he see everything going on inside the program? He didn't see the coaching staff recruit other kids. --------------------------------------------- --- alex15 wrote: thought it a great article. not pompous. and he served in the military. ring of truth in every word he writes. --------------------------------------------- --- ghostheel wrote: No offense to anyone here living in Texas & California, but I've met some of the most obnoxious, irritating and pompous people from those states. I know there are great people living there too. Might just be because the huge population. You are bound to meet some. This Longhorn kid comes off as pompous with a side of envy."

6/1/2011 3:23:44 PM

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"pompous with a side of envy"

[Edited on June 1, 2011 at 3:28 PM. Reason : .]

6/1/2011 3:27:32 PM

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"No offense to anyone..."

but i'm getting ready to offend you

6/1/2011 4:18:04 PM

Quote :

"My crystal ball says: UNC forces resignation of Butch Davis after official NCAA sanctions, UNC hires Jim Tressel"

Oddly enough, I was wondering if OSU would start taking a look at Butch. Not that we can't both be right!

6/1/2011 4:20:42 PM

Why the FUCK would OSU hire a coach from a school that's had the NCAA on campus the last year for violations after what they are going through now??

6/1/2011 5:00:05 PM

They obviously don't mind a little under the table cheating if it earns results.

6/1/2011 5:11:35 PM

Because butch has earned a lot of results...

6/1/2011 5:22:50 PM

i know that IC is roundly picked on and accused of being delusional, but you can tell the minor posters over there have really bought the narrative of the mods. this is so delusional its gonna butt hurt when its all brought to light (its gonna butt hurt me if it's not).

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"I wonder if any other school has EVER had the in depth investigation we went through with the phone records, phones themselves, emails over the last 3 to 4 years, etc. I think actually it is pretty good that only as few violations were frankly found. We had 3 academic violations(Burney, Smith, Gupton) which we appropriately punished with all else being cleared, 2 with ridiculous trumped up extra benefit violations (Burney, Williams) and the 3 with real benefit violations (Austin, Little, Quinn). Not saying I want any or excuse their behavior but my god what other school would be able to survive such an intense scrutiny and come away with as few violations as we did."

6/1/2011 5:35:33 PM

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"If I were in charge of the NCAA, I would actually make a bylaw that states that any head coach/AD/Chancellor/President that uses the "I didn't know" or "It's hard to keep track of 85 guys" will be considered an NCAA infraction and is immedialtey punishable with a $50,000 fine to the school and head coach personally suspeneded one game without pay. Butch Davis and Tressel supporters are making it out like you've got 85 guys running around town (or the country in UNC's case) in 85 different directions with camouflage flying under the radar and how impossible it is to know everything. Well, when your players are rolling around town in 6 different cars without a valid license and others are Twittering it and posting pics on Facebook, it's not exactly a stealth mission designed to undermine your compliance department. It's blatant arrogance and a middle finger pointed right at the NCAA"

The Sarbanes-Oxley rule applied to college sports

6/1/2011 6:15:57 PM

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"and he served in the military. ring of truth in every word he writes."

nothing says honestly like military secrets

6/1/2011 6:21:58 PM

[Edited on June 1, 2011 at 7:01 PM. Reason : svcdc]

6/1/2011 7:01:29 PM

Lol

6/1/2011 10:14:46 PM

Those look like the "deal with it" sunglasses haha

6/2/2011 12:14:37 AM

These docs must be a bombshell...

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"UNC files for a stay in release of football investigation documents Posted: Today at 3:33 p.m. Updated: Today at 3:55 p.m. Lawyers for the University of North Carolina asked for more time Friday to comply with a judge’s order to release documents to the local media. WRAL News and others have asked for documents related to the NCAA and an internal investigation of the UNC football team, maintaining that they are public records. University officials have denied access to the records, citing student privacy protection laws. Superior Court Judge Manning issued an order May 12 to back up his April ruling that the documents requested must be released within 30 days. The university says a stay is necessary to avoid irreparable harm and to protect the University's right to a meaningful appeal. The stay will be in place until the court removes it. The documents requested include the following: •Unredacted phone numbers on telephone bills for mobile phones provided to and used by UNC Director of Athletics Dick Baddour, head football coach Butch Davis and former associate football coach John Blake •Names, employment dates and salaries of anyone employed as a tutor or mentor for UNC student-athletes since the beginning of 2007 •Parking tickets issued by UNC to 11 players •All records of any investigation conducted by the university related to any misconduct by any UNC football coach or player, sports agent, athletic booster or academic tutor •The names of all individuals or organizations who provided improper benefits to any UNC football players. The first and last requests have been fulfilled. The NCAA has been investigating the football program since last summer in connection to allegations of improper relationships between players and agents. UNC also is investigating allegations of academic misconduct by players. Fourteen players missed some or all of the games played in the 2010 season. The NCAA declared two of them, receiver Greg Little and defensive end Robert Quinn, permanently ineligible, and UNC kicked a third, defensive tackle Marvin Austin, off the team. "

http://www.wralsportsfan.com/unc/story/9682016/

6/3/2011 7:27:03 PM

ohhh thats the good stuff.

6/3/2011 8:53:29 PM

The judge in the case is Manning, of Manning St. in Chapel Hill, a law grad of UNC and family has donated $$$ to UNC. AND HE'S STILL TELLING THEM TO OPEN IT UP. This is pathetic on Baddour and Thorpe's part.

6/3/2011 10:08:41 PM

^ a judge from UNC law school should not be allowed to rule this... no wonder they get away with shit. Even if he is a perfect judge and goes by law and not bias opinions... bias will be there.

6/3/2011 10:28:42 PM

because everyone that goes to UNC Law School is a UNC fan.

PAGING ActionPants

6/3/2011 10:37:11 PM

^ I agree with you in theory but this ain't basketball, and this guy is as old school as it gets. He's not going to risk his reptutation on Butch Davis, this is an educated man, not the walmart greeter that we see frequently on IC. I mean his name is all over the law school and on street corners. And in this state, if you go to any courthouse, political function, or any board of any significance, it's going to be crawling with smurf grads.

But like I said, Roy and the boys ain't on trial, so it's not worth going to bat over for a guy with plenty to lose if his reputation came into question.

Now the SOS, Bowles, and the 50% UNC grad BOG, yea, don't expect much out of them.

6/3/2011 10:37:53 PM

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"Even if he is a perfect judge and goes by law and not bias opinions... bias will be there."

Unless he has paid attention to my monk-like tenacity and drive to be objective as shit on here for the last decade

6/3/2011 11:26:16 PM

I'm most interested to see what this part turns up

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"All records of any investigation conducted by the university related to any misconduct by any UNC football coach or player, sports agent, athletic booster or academic tutor"

6/4/2011 1:38:45 AM

http://northcarolina.scout.com/2/1076972.html

6/4/2011 3:11:07 AM

If they receive the notice of allegations this soon then expect it to be a slap on the wrist for them.

6/4/2011 3:33:01 AM

It says they've received similar notices twice so far with nothing to show for it

6/4/2011 6:22:21 AM

has Greg Barnes been right about a single thing in this investigation?

6/4/2011 9:26:45 AM

Come on death penalty! *crosses fingers while dreaming*

6/4/2011 9:55:37 AM

This is tangentially related but I noticed that a lot of people were like "Don't vote for UNC Law alum judges for the Court of Appeals because there are already too many on the Board of Governors anyway aaaaaargh" and this comes off a little paranoid. If I ever run for judge you fuckers better not vote against me just because I went to UNC (and wore a bright red suit in the student section of both the 41-10 game and the 29-25 game)

6/4/2011 11:35:34 AM

^anyone that crosses over UNC hate from sports to real life can safely be dismissed as wacko

6/4/2011 12:38:58 PM

i would rather my judges have went to NCCU law school.

6/4/2011 1:48:52 PM

^^ so basically 95% of this board?

6/4/2011 2:32:16 PM

I'm not that extreme, I judge based on the content of the character



but it just so happens that most UNC fucks have a severe character deficit.

6/4/2011 2:53:32 PM

most UNC fucks have a severe character deficit

6/4/2011 4:40:00 PM

now a matter of semantics, do you mean all unc people are fucks and most have a severe character deficit, or just the fucks out of all unc people have a severe character deficit. this differentiation is important

6/4/2011 5:10:29 PM

The UNC people that I go to med school with are all okay people. They do all like to say, "if the NCAA investigated all the other schools out there they'd find bad stuff too." I just respond with, "yeah but your players are stupid enough to give them a reason to investigate."

6/4/2011 5:32:12 PM

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"^anyone that crosses over UNC hate from sports to real life can safely be dismissed as wacko"

completely agree.

6/4/2011 5:47:54 PM

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/06/04/2351441/no-denial-offered-in-response.html

6/4/2011 7:14:30 PM

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"^ a judge from UNC law school should not be allowed to rule this... no wonder they get away with shit. Even if he is a perfect judge and goes by law and not bias opinions... bias will be there."

Judge Manning has been on the cusp of several huge cases against the State of North Carolina. He is a no non-sense judge who isn't afraid to give out rulings against the State. He's also a very fair judge that applies the law equally. I don't think you need to worry about Judge Manning.

6/4/2011 7:40:38 PM

isn't every judge is a no-nonsense judge?

i've never heard of a nonsense judge.

6/5/2011 5:51:39 AM

See the Cooper Trial for a nonsense judge.

6/5/2011 8:15:37 AM

6/5/2011 10:54:03 AM

Twitterverse reporting that they just received the Notice of Inquiry

6/7/2011 4:08:55 PM