Gw to GWB roughly 5T

GWB to 10T

Obama to 17T, will be right at or over 20T when he leaves.

The shitshow is really picking up steam. But we aren't SPENDING enough. LOL

[Edited on October 3, 2013 at 8:13 PM. Reason : .]

10/3/2013 8:13:29 PM

The biggest problem is that were aren't taxing the highest earners and corporations enough.

10/3/2013 8:39:01 PM

Damn, that's a huge jump. Its almost like we paid for over a decade of wars!

10/3/2013 8:45:38 PM

Bush came in with a surplus and racked up double debt.

Obama came in with a record deficit on the back of a severe global recession and is on track to do about the same.

10/3/2013 8:48:28 PM

Quote :

"government spending, post recessions, over the past 30 years. Every president except Obama was allowed increasing spending after the recession to aid in recovery ('82 - Reagan, '01 - W., '91 - H.W., and '09 - Obama)"

I'll see your graph and raise you another:

10/3/2013 8:52:31 PM

Source your graphs.

10/3/2013 9:04:18 PM

^^


[Edited on October 3, 2013 at 9:24 PM. Reason : :]

10/3/2013 9:24:50 PM

lol

10/3/2013 9:27:08 PM

Lol, I think we can bipartisanly agree that is pretty god damn funny.

10/3/2013 9:36:34 PM

Can you please post sources for these graphs

10/4/2013 6:28:40 AM

The above graph is different than mine because it relates spending to GDP. It just shows that our GDP absolutely cratered in our most recent recession, the previous recessions were more like brief slowdowns. It makes our spending look insane, but the high ratio to GDP is more due to GDP dropping rather than spending increasing to a significant degree.

10/4/2013 7:18:27 AM

Quote :

"Lol, I think we can bipartisanly agree that is pretty god damn funny."

+1

10/4/2013 11:22:04 AM

dtownral, most estimates are that the total cost of the war was 1T. The biggest expenses are the ever expanding entitlements. I know that is very hard for libs to admit, but the numbers don't lie.

420, if you remember bush took over right as the internet, .com bubble popped too.
btw, W's biggest deficit was 458B in 2008. We have had over 1T deficits ever since. FYI

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/download_multi_year_1990_2018USb_15s2li101mcn_G0f

And please don't take this as me defending bush. The medicare drug plan was the most fiscally irresponsible thing I had seen... until Obama got into office and basically doubled down on everything. I didn't think it could get much worse than W, boy was I wrong.

10/4/2013 7:46:04 PM

And looking just at federal spending.

Federal spending in 2000 was 1.8T (.9T pensions, .6T healthcare, .2 Welfare, .4 defense)

2004: 2.3T (.5T pensions, .5T healthcare, .2 welfare, .5T defense)

2008: 3.0T (.7T pensions, .7T healthcare, .3 welfare, .7T defense)

2009: 3.5T (.7T pensions, .8T healthcare, .4 welfare, .8T defense)

2013: 3.7T (.9T pensions, .9T healthcare, .4 welfare, .9T defense)

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/fed_spending_2014USrn

Here is ALL spending. (federal, state, local)

2000: 3.2T (1T pensions, .7 healthcare, .6 education, .2 welfare, Defense will be the same for all

2004: 4.1T (.7T pensions, .7 healthcare, .7 education, .3 welfare)

2008: 5.4T (.9T pensions, 1T healthcare, .9T education, .4T welfare)

2013 estimated: 6.4T (1.1T pensions, 1.2T healthcare, .9T education, .6T welfare)

10/4/2013 8:02:29 PM

Just because money was spent one year doesn't mean it was committed to be spent that year

[Edited on October 4, 2013 at 9:06 PM. Reason : also, it doesnt look like those numbers are adjusted for inflation]

10/4/2013 9:03:18 PM

our national debt is almost 16 trillion dollars. that should put the last nail in obama's coffin, but the democrats don't care they are bankrupting the nation.

10/5/2013 1:13:09 PM

That's because money itself is an offensive concept to the far left.

10/7/2013 9:54:52 AM

funny considering how much of it they are printing.

10/7/2013 10:56:31 AM

personally paying to keep the Muslim Museum open

+10000

10/7/2013 10:59:21 AM

you so funny

10/7/2013 11:31:40 AM

10/7/2013 12:56:46 PM

Lol.

Reminds me of when shit like that is on the news, or I receive some god damn NWO chain letter.

I have family members who are Masons, and I ask them when they're going to take over the world, and they're all like:

"Idk, but do you want to come to the Lodge and eat hotdogs next week?"

That's pretty much all they do. Plus sell raffle tickets and provide small scholarship opportunities locally.

10/7/2013 1:07:54 PM

They can't really tell you what's going on until they have your permission to kill you if you squeal about it. gaaaaawwwwww
the hot dogs are just a front

[Edited on October 9, 2013 at 11:08 PM. Reason : ]

10/9/2013 11:07:54 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/10/report-obama-administration-brings-chilling-effect-on-journalism/?intcmp=latestnews

10/11/2013 8:18:13 AM

http://www.redflagnews.com/headlines/cnn-exposed-emmy-winning-former-cnn-journalist-blows-the-whistle-cnn-is-paid-by-foreign-and-domestic-government-agencies-for-specific-content

10/17/2013 7:13:56 PM

CNN sucks. We know. Also, RT covered this almost a year ago didn't they?

10/17/2013 7:23:23 PM

I remember reading about it here first:

http://www.examiner.com/article/former-cnn-reporter-alleges-cnn-accepted-money-from-bahrain-to-ignore-oppression

Nov 3, 2012, so yeah.

10/17/2013 7:48:59 PM

Your sources are utter shit. But I already knew that. Here's a report from almost a month before that:

http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2012/10/cnn-exposed-emmy-winning-former-cnn-journalist-amber-lyon-blows-the-whistle-2444190.html

Moral of the story: Your sources are shit and the sooner you realize it the sooner you can join reality.

10/17/2013 7:51:12 PM

Someone that was actually informed would have focused on the CNNi angle instead of the sources.

But you're a knee-jerk idiot, so it's not surprising you would zero in on that.

I am surprised however you didn't latch on to Alex Jones, so kudos for that.

[Edited on October 17, 2013 at 7:56 PM. Reason : -]

10/17/2013 7:55:31 PM

Hey remember that time your sources told you that Romney would win the election and you said you'd leave TSB?

Like I said, your sources are shit and until you get some unbiased ones your arguments, beliefs, and reality are going to make you look like an idiot.

10/17/2013 7:57:46 PM

Your name makes you look like an idiot?

Let's keep calling each other names; I love wallowing in the left's maturity.

10/17/2013 8:00:06 PM

That's copypasta from a year ago. Has any of Amber Lyon's claims been externally verified since then?

10/17/2013 8:03:41 PM

There is literally no breaking through that fortress of cognitive dissonance, is there?

How many more elections do you have to get wrong and lose before you change your ways? How much lower can conservative approval numbers fall before people start jumping ship? I am completely baffled by this culture of willful ignorance that exists in this country.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOUR BRAIN???

10/17/2013 8:04:11 PM

Was it like this when Bill Clinton was President? I honestly don't remember because I was too busy being a kid/teenager. Something tells me it wasn't.

10/17/2013 8:06:43 PM

Too many drugs, although I forgot to change my name to reflect that problem.



I wish I was as cool as you; this country would be much better off with a single party.

Down with Republicans!

10/17/2013 8:07:31 PM

You are a complete and total toolbag. How can you possibly defend all of your positions with the entire weight of public opinion, science, and mathematics telling you that you are wrong?

10/17/2013 8:11:26 PM

Because the majority of my opinions probably aren't all that different from yours.

I just like toying with the obvious hypocrisy of the democrats / liberals on this board.

The Obama hero worship is pathetic. The fact that CNN is garbage has little to do with Obama's pitiful relationship with the media.

Lack of transparency, drones, the list goes on and on. It's more fun to watch people not care about that than it is to try and defend Republicans / conservatives.

I would mention the kool aid, but that's so cliche.





Also I don't care if Obama retakes the house, good for him, he had it before. He can use that opportunity to make or break his legacy. As of right now I would say its garbage besides, uh, killing Osama and making Republicans look stupid?

I guess that's good enough for you?

[Edited on October 17, 2013 at 8:20 PM. Reason : -]

10/17/2013 8:17:10 PM

relax 420, sheesh

10/17/2013 8:58:51 PM

So you're actually the immature one yowilly, trolling people?

This isn't a fucking game anymore. We almost voluntarily defaulted on our debt. People lost money. People lost jobs. The sooner that the people who support this type of political action realize that their complicity affects everyone else, the sooner we can move past this. Trolling people on TWW because you think it's funny actually affects the social consciousness of the country, however small that may be. Though that effect may be small, there arestill real consequences to those actions.

The biggest cultural problem with the United States is that people treat politics like it is a game to be won instead of a system of choices which affect everyone around them. How is it possible that something as unarguably beneficial as continuing to fund the liabilities that the government has already incurred is debatable? Whether or not to create those liabilities is the only debatable topic and conflating them is dangerously irresponsible.

Am I pissed off? You bet your ass I am pissed off. There is absolutely no reason for the episode that just occurred. Harsh rhetoric against the minority of complete fucking idiots who attempted this coup is one of the last courses of option left. The sooner the Republican Party responsibly breaks from the insurgency they have created, the sooner the country can mend it's wounds.

None of what I just said is hyperbole.

10/17/2013 10:55:29 PM

10/17/2013 11:46:13 PM

^^I don't agree with what they did - I'm not a tea party member.

But to play devil's advocate here, nearly all of the tea party people in congress ran on the platform of removing the ACA from our system. You can hate them for what they tried to do, but all they tried to do was to do right by their constituents and fulfill campaign promises.

It's just that America isn't really used to politicians trying extremely hard to deliver what they promised to deliver.

10/18/2013 11:47:48 AM

I'm not all that mad at the politicans. Well, I am. But I'm more mad at the people who voted for the tea party. Those are the real idiots tht I have to deal with everyday.

10/18/2013 11:56:08 AM

^^ the asterisk to that is that the will of the people was rightfully exposed when BO was relected on a pro-ACA platform, not some gerrymandered congress.

10/18/2013 12:15:19 PM

also, they lost seats in the House to Democrats

10/18/2013 12:20:36 PM

^^you don't change horsemen mid-apocalypse.

10/18/2013 12:40:49 PM

Quote :

"It's just that America isn't really used to politicians trying extremely hard to deliver what they promised to deliver. "

SO you're saying their constituents wanted them to remove ACA at the cost of the stability of the broader economy, or American's standing in the world? Seems like those constituents should be soundly ignored if that's the case.

10/18/2013 12:46:45 PM

being a good representative for your constituents means sometimes compromising, and sometimes saying no when your constituents are wrong. so really America is just not used to such poor governance.

10/18/2013 12:53:46 PM

There is a poll here in Utah that showed a majority of registered voters, the people who actually put Mike Lee in the Senate, wanted him to compromise on Obamacare rather than shutting down the government. So it's also complete horse shit they are doing what their constituents want. No one except a scant few lunatics actually wanted them to shut down the government over Obamacare.

10/18/2013 12:58:43 PM

the numbers in favor of a default were even worse

10/18/2013 1:08:39 PM

Constituents =/= only the people who voted for you. Your constituency is the total number of people in whatever district you represent.

10/18/2013 2:02:11 PM